#indieweb 2026-11-11
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taco hello! I literally just learned about y'all.
# taco I am looking through your rules at the moment, and while I don't see anything about self advertising, I'd like to request permission to talk about a project I've been thinking about for a few years now, and have finally put to code and made live in the last month or so!
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[aciccarello] Hello taco, welcome. We're mostly focused on personal websites. Do you have your own website you post to?
# [aciccarello] There are some community guidelines on the wiki
# [aciccarello] What is discuss?
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# taco Yeah, kind of? It's a personal site, I hope to eventually federate with other dedicated people. It's a mix of irc and usenet with a unified identity layer, basically.
# [aciccarello] That sounds cool. What's your web address? My site is http://www.ciccarello.me
# taco it's more intended to be a community platform than a personal site if I'm to be honest. It overlaps, but I wouldn't say it aligns 1:1 with what indieweb is trying to do? Don't wanna step on any toes
# taco It's still very very new, and I still need to straighten out a lot of things, so I'm trying to find founding/testing folks who might be interested.
# taco lol followed you on bluesky
# [aciccarello] Haha, nice. Bridgy fed is pretty cool for that.
# [aciccarello] Your project looks cool. Lots of IRC people here. How'd you hear about the IndieWeb?
# taco To share a little bit about myself, since you did the same with your site. I'm currently a state IT worker for the state of Oregon. I work mostly in change management, but they have me working on LLM engineer stuff, as well as ITSM development stuff on the side. I love open source tech, and am a zealous advocate of it in general, if that wasn't clear with my creating my own irc/usenet site, lol.
# taco Otherwise, I play a lot of overwatch, and am heavily involved in my union at work. I'm also a steward for the union, and idk. I just like tech stuff.
# taco [aciccarello]: just searching for other open source kinda communities. i'm really looking for anything that overlaps at this point.
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# taco oops
# taco I can't tell if Loqi is a bot or not, and if I've done a no no. Happy to correct.
# [aciccarello] Yeah loqi is our local bot 😁
# taco Gotcha lol
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# [aciccarello] What is loqi
# Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot, digital assistant present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/loqi
# [aciccarello] Helps keep us on topic. If you want to get technical there's the #indieweb-dev channel but intros are still welcome here
# taco cool cool.
# taco Anyway, this seems like a cool place to hang out. I've been irc for like more than a decade now, hadn't heard of this space until just tonight
# [aciccarello] Well welcome! We also have meetups like the homebrew website clubs, mostly on Zoom.
# taco oh neat!
# taco I actually plan on integrating jitsi into my site as well. An aside, but, y'all might be interested in that? lol
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# taco mostly kidding of course.
# taco idk, my main goal is offering a platform where big tech is not involved, like the old days of the internet.
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# Loqi Jitsi is a free, open source, self-hostable video conferencing solution that also offers a Jitsi Meet service https://indieweb.org/Jitsi
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# Loqi 💬 Internet Relay Chat (abbreviated IRC), in particular the #indieweb channels on the libera.chat network, is the primary community discussion forum for IndieWebCamp and anything about the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/IRC
# taco irc > discord
# taco boo discord
# taco boo centralized, monetized web platforms
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# taco Sure, but, it's still controlled and operated by monied interests.
# taco Like, i'm not gonna sit here and say I'm not on discord.
# taco But
# taco ya know
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# taco Not trying to be a butt here, however, there's a meaningful difference between purchasing groceries from a privately owned business and allowing a corporation to control the infrastructure through which an online community communicates. I thought this was a meaningful place to discuss such possibilities. However, if it is not, happy to keep to myself.
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# taco I'm happy to hear that.
# taco not trying to do a tech rant by any means, just felt the opinion was relevant to the topic at hand.
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# andreixyz good morning!
# andreixyz "Avoid Technology Rants", but then how will i do my "old man yells at cloud" roleplay? :(
# andreixyz "allowing a corporation to control the infrastructure through which an online community communicates" --> sooner or later you'll hit some kind of corporate wall or corporation LARPers
# andreixyz i mean, remember when freenode was a bastion of communication before it turned to dust?
# andreixyz best approach against this is constant human-to-human connection and always through different channels. if this network goes boom, there's the indieweb site. if that blows up, there are the rss feeds of people you follow, email addresses, phone numbers, etc
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# chishxd Hello! This is Chish, I just learnt about Indieweb randomly while searching for anti-corporate sites... My current website has a bit of such feel and I wanna change that. https://chish.is-a.dev/ I would love to have get some advice for this site!
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[capjamesg] Welcome! Your site looks good!
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# taco andreixyz: idk, that opinion seems to think that no one has a backbone. I refuse to believe such a thing. Sure, lots of people are vulnerable, but that doesn't mean all.
# chishxd Seems like everyone is on IRC.. I will hop on IRC after I setup a bouncer for it... I love weechat
# andreixyz taco: i have no idea what you're talking about, i think you completely missed my point
# taco you said, "sooner or later you'll hit some kind of corporate wall or corporation LARPers"
# taco I was responding to that
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# andreixyz i'll give you an example that happened a few years ago: a friend of mine posted on their personal site about the twitch leaks, no data, only "if you search online for twitch_leaks.zip you can easily find them on the open web".
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# andreixyz 6 hours later they got an email from their provider saying "we got a C&D, you have 24 hours to take your data somewhere else before we close your account"
# chishxd [capjamesg]: Ohh.. Thank you!! I thought it felt very YC-startup like with minimalism haha
# andreixyz luckily my friend already had a backup of their website locally, but imagine if they were in a vacation for 3 days in the mountains with no connectivity. boom! gone
# taco That's what is so wonderful about nntp, and how it works, no?
# andreixyz still, you're missing my point that direct human-to-human interactions which are format-agnostic is the key
# taco ...am I?
# andreixyz especially since the internet is now about 20 corporations, any of which can cut anyone off on a whim
# andreixyz be it your ISP or hosting provider, for example
# taco Uh huh. I seem to recall me implying that might be a bad thing....
# andreixyz ofc it's a bad thing
# taco I think you're talking about human relationships. I think I'm talking about communication infrastructure. I don't think these two things are mutually exclusive.
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# andreixyz well, human relationships are built on various types of communication infrastructures. it's up to each of us to ensure there is no single point of failure in the human relationship that's caused by communication infrastructures
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# taco Okay. I suppose I'm trying to point out that human relationships alone are not not enough? It needs to work in conjunction with technology that's designed to be open and free, without outside influence.
# andreixyz yes, unfortunately, the chain tries to be open and free, but some of the links will inevitably be not open, and in control of a corporation, that's why the necessity of multiple chains, because while some of the links might fail and break a chain, it's rare for all the chains to break at the same time
# taco Are we not splitting hairs here?
# andreixyz possibly, but I'd rather be in contact with the people I care about, regardless of what some corporation or some dude might decide on a whim on an average friday
# taco okay
# taco uhhh
# taco look at my site and tell me where we disagree, please. https://newseptember.org
# andreixyz nice project! but what happens if the domain is seized for some bullcrap reason?
# taco It's going to be open sourced. I need further testing to be done before I can do that.
# andreixyz good luck with that! looks really nice and the idea is nice
# andreixyz i
# taco It's also built from the ground up to be federated and peered around
# taco Ideally I'd like to be able to allow folks use their phones to be nodes within the network, either w/nntp or irc, or possibly both.
# andreixyz well, federation is one way of setting up multiple metaphorical chains, as I used in my example above
# taco I'm a little offended at the idea of federation being labled a "jargon" word.
# andreixyz i know phones kill background tasks if they're inactive for an amount of time (to save battery), wouldn't that be an issue?
# taco Sure, but due to how nntp works, store and forward, that's less of an issue. IRC would be more difficult, though, ultimately, wouldn't need to be something that has to work as a node on mobile devices.
# katx hi :) @ IWDiscord: you know .dev tld is owned by google? anti-corporate site on bigtech domain is quite funny
# andreixyz haha, exactly what I was talking about, corporation in the chain :D
# taco Ideally I'd like to see all corporations removed from the chain. But I'm well aware that's not quite possible at this point in time.
# andreixyz one can only hope
# katx taco: newseptember.org - i appreciate the iniciative, but i do not see a prosperous future for the project. it looks like a darkest niche in the indie niche
# taco Time will tell
# katx wish you all the best
# katx though i take usually a realistic aproach to such projects
# taco yeah, I don't exactly expect to overtake reddit.
# katx you would if i joined. i have never used reddit
# taco I would what
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# katx you would overtake reddit ;P
# taco okay
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# katx anyway, i dont see a point for your project. if i want to talk with friends, i use im. if i want to talk with strangers i use irc. for deeper discussion fediverse works well
# taco You don't understand or appreciate older protocols. I get it.
# katx i appreciate yet do not see a point for another tool.
# taco I'll note that down. Thank you for your feedback.
# katx you’re welcome. and again, all the best with that. i hope in the end it'll be be who’s the stupid one :)
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# [capjamesg] Hello everyone. I’m a moderator here. Please make sure you keep the tone constructive. This community is at its best when people are sharing ideas about things that excite them.
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# andreixyz not every project needs to explode in user adoption. i'd rahter have 10 good people on my project than 10^n trolls
# andreixyz that's why all my things are done firstly for myself, to learn, to experiment, to have fun. and if anyone wants to join, that's a win! if not, it's still a win
# thamara_k chishxd[d] nice site! I like the minimal theme
# katx andreixyx that’s a great approach
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# chishxd thamara_k[d]: thankss
# [capjamesg] Yeah, I think the indie web is at its best — and most resilient — when lots of people are making things they find fun as opposed to trying to make something big that everyone will use.
# thamara_k What are principles?
# Loqi 🗽 The IndieWeb Community is largely based on principles that we practice and aspire to, such as own your data and remember to have fun! https://indieweb.org/Principles
# thamara_k What is discuss?
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# [capjamesg] I think that we lost sight of how _one_ website — _one web page, even —_ can make a difference to someone’s life.
# thamara_k ^^ felt like we could use the reminders
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# [capjamesg] thamara_k++ thank you!
# andreixyz yep, i mean back in the day our "facebookstagramtter" was our RSS reader
# andreixyz which turned to dust when google turned off their reader, because almost everyone was using it, out of convenience
# katx google is famous for „if you can’t beat them, join them and distroy them from the inside” policy. usenet, jabber, rss an many more
# andreixyz there was a google graveyard site or something
# katx yeah, but it was full of their own services
# andreixyz https://killedbygoogle.com/
# andreixyz nono, it was done by someone else
# andreixyz 308 already. imagine "i have a million dollar idea!" you spend years developing it, google buys it and drives it into the ground because money
# andreixyz Tenor API – Killed 4 months ago, Tenor API was used for searching up and sharing GIFs in Tenor's database on other websites (notably Discord). It was about 11 years old.
# andreixyz RIP our memes
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# katx then let Silence come
# andreixyz back to work for me. take care and speak soon!
# thamara_k andreixyz katx this conversation is actually better suited for #indieweb-random
# thamara_k we like to keep this channel personal-website focused and clutter free
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# chishxd Chezter_V_[d]: never too late I guess. Thanks you!
# chishxd I am writing some blogs right now.. Maybe would get it done soon
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# andrei.xyz just try not to burn yourself out. it's easy to fall into the rabbit hole. ❤️ love how the site looks and the content you outlined
# andrei.xyz webrings are such a clunky thing, there's no standard implementation (not sure if that's a good or bad thing). but if you don't want to have clunky widgets or whatever, just put the links to the previous and next site in the ring and also link towards the webring "homepage" in some format that looks nice for your site.
# andrei.xyz this is how it looks on the bottom of my homepage, above the footer, nothing too complex, just some buttons.
# chishxd I don't have any webrings :c
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# chish Yeahh, I am back-- from IRC now!
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