#dev 2023-01-31

2023-01-31 UTC
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GWG
I missed a whole IndieAuth thing. Darn
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[tantek]
has anyone tested how much CSS passes through / into Mastodon views of posts?
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[snarfed]
afaik none, https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/activitypub/#sanitization , but that's only implied, feel free to try!
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[snarfed]
you could check if you had any CSS inside previous e-contents that you've federated
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[tantek]
I have not. but I think I may try one soon
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[tantek]
whoa! "The sanitizer will keep classes if they begin with microformats prefixes or are semantic classes"
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[tantek]
also this reinforces the practice of syndicating article name + link instead of full article contents
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[tantek]
to Mastodon / fedi
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[tantek]
because removing things like headings h1 h2 h3 etc. or blockquote or ul ol li or replacing them all with p is absolutely not acceptable
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[tantek]
that's one way to mangle many (most?) serious blog posts with sections etc
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[tantek]
[snarfed] if we ever needed a firm "this is why" for federating article posts only by name and permalink, this is it
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aaronpk
i have a list of allowed tags in monocle, but it is a pretty generous list of basic html tags like headings and lists
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[tantek]
I *could* see an argument/proposals for article name + e-summary + permalink in syndicating to Mastodon / fedi
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[tantek]
but that's about it
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[tantek]
Wow I'm getting errors trying to connect to mastodon.social: "Secure Connection Failed / An error occurred during a connection to mastodon.social. PR_END_OF_FILE_ERROR / Error code: PR_END_OF_FILE_ERROR ...
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aaronpk
same, but worked the second time
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[tantek]
aaronpk, downforeveryoneorjustme has been seeing problems for an hour
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starrwulfe[m]
...and we;re back
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aaronpk
lol "is mastodon down" doesn't make sense as a sentence tho
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[tantek]
sure, they're just using the domain after the TLD
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starrwulfe[m]
well my mastodon is up... (mastodon.cloud)
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[tantek]
I wonder when we're going to need to start creating pages for specific masto instances
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starrwulfe[m]
Soonish. The disambiguation is needed
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[tantek]
what is thundering herd
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "thundering herd" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "thundering herd is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek]
^ [KevinMarks] I feel we're going to need to define that soon for both the old meaning and the new problem (Masto servers hammering links for link previews)
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[tantek]
Interesting (and a bit hilarious), the Wikipedia computing definition is for an *even older* kind of thundering herd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thundering_herd_problem
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[snarfed]
fwiw Mastodon itself already renders articles as just name + permalink, no content. https://fed.brid.gy/docs#which-parts
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[tantek]
Interesting. Then I suppose the question is if there any other fedi followers that behave differently
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[0x3b0b]
My secondary account is on an Akkoma instance with the Mangane front-end. It shows my articles as a title linking to the article on my site/instance, followed by the first 700 characters or so of the article cut off by a "Read more >" which leads to a full local view of the article (still with the title link to my site at the beginning), and the local view...keeps my paragraphs, emphasis, strong, and code formatting, but *not* headers.
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[0x3b0b]
Interesting, hadn't noticed that detail before.
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[jacky]
ooh akkoma looks cool
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[jacky]
ah it's on top of plemora
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[0x3b0b]
By contrast, I can't figure out a way on infosec.exchange to view my profile or any of my posts - basically anything except the fact that I exist - without getting redirected to my site. I've been meaning to check on their federated timeline right after I make a post to try to figure out whether federation is failing.
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aaronpk
you need to have an account on the instance to see remote content
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[snarfed]
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 33 karma in this channel over the last year (95 in all channels)
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[snarfed]
that's worth adding to the BF docs
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[0x3b0b]
aaronpk: That depends on the context and the instance. I can view their federated timeline and look at posts from other instances as presented on their instance, but remote profiles redirect to their home instances. And on Indieweb.social I can view my local profile (https://indieweb.social/@0x3b0b@bw3.dev) but since nobody there follows me, that's all (and all I'd expect). I *do* have followers on infosec.exchange.
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[snarfed]
0x3b0b if you're logged into indieweb.social, you'll be able to view remote profiles and posts there. eg https://indieweb.social/@snarfed.org@snarfed.org
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[0x3b0b]
But I once scrolled through the infosec exchange federated timeline to a point at which I thought I'd posted something and didn't find it - which made sense later, when I realized what I'd gone looking for shouldn't have been in the timeline due to its visibility 🤦, but I haven't subsequently verified that federation to that instance is in fact working as expected. I also don't remember why I suspected it wasn't, though.
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Loqi
[preview] single entendre    (noun, humorous) A phrase that has a single, often bawdy, meaning and is lacking in subtlety or cleverness.
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[0x3b0b]
[snarfed]: I don't have an account on indieweb.social, so both that link and the one I posted actually redirect to our respective sites, but if I actually search for myself there, the search result takes me to a local representation of my profile with that URL, whereas at infosec.exchange even the search result redirects me to my site.
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[snarfed]
right! we
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[snarfed]
er sorry, we're all agreeing. logged in, you can see remote profiles/posts inside Mastodon. logged out, they redirect
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aaronpk
i just went to infosec.exchange, logged out, searched for myself, and i see my profile there
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[0x3b0b]
Ah, yes. That is accurate. What I was pointing out is the difference in behavior of the search. I'm not logged in to either instance, but the search results behave differently. And then there are some instances where you can't search at all without being logged in.
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[0x3b0b]
...huh. Your profile doesn't redirect me either. Clearly I don't understand what's going on.
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[0x3b0b]
🤦 I was mistaken about what I was testing. I had not logged out of my website. I hadn't expected that to make a difference.
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[snarfed]
oh interesting, that's true for BF profiles too. direct URLs like https://mas.to/@snarfed.org@snarfed.org redirect if you're logged out, but searching for @snarfed.org@snarfed.org on https://mas.to/search and then clicking shows the profile instead of redirecting
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Loqi
[preview] single entendre    (noun, humorous) A phrase that has a single, often bawdy, meaning and is lacking in subtlety or cleverness.
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Loqi
[preview] [Eugen Rochko] I believe mastodon.social might be under a DDoS attack currently, investigating. Sorry for the inconvenience!
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[jacky]
re: [tantek] and the herd
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@cagrimmett
↩️ On my regular blog/personal site, no. On my digital garden, yes, because I use pages as my primary post type and want pingbacks/trackbacks/webmentions to show up there, all of which are tracked as comments.
(twitter.com/_/status/1620258303761678338)
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[jacky]
[snarfed] ah yeah, that's the civics leaking out heh (had to explain what a fork was a lot recently and describing it as someone placing something on top of another helped)
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[0x3b0b]
Also I have now finally found an instance other than my own site where my reply to Tantek from the other day can actually be viewed threaded as such. Hooray.
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[0x3b0b]
(...without being logged in.)
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@kecrily
很久之前就了解到 Webmention,但一直没用。 今天试了一下,发现 Twitter 的结构化评论会被拆成无关联的多个评论。 导致最后产生的评论列表一片混乱,阅读困难,还在考虑要不要实际部署。
(twitter.com/_/status/1620385282137944065)
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