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@benwerd Long-term #indiewebcamp attendees will understand why I really appreciate this terrible marketing account. (twitter.com/_/status/1189408311503810560)
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[tantek] [benatwork] ++ 😂😂
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[tantek] code-of-conduct-examples << CC-BY-SA 3.0 example: WordCamp US 2019: https://2019.us.wordcamp.org/code-of-conduct/ derived from http://opensourcebridge.org/about/code-of-conduct/
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Loqi ok, I added "CC-BY-SA 3.0 example: WordCamp US 2019: https://2019.us.wordcamp.org/code-of-conduct/ derived from http://opensourcebridge.org/about/code-of-conduct/" to the "See Also" section of /code-of-conduct-examples https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=66017&oldid=60544
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[tantek] ^^^ lots of stuff there that maybe worth considering adding to the IndieWeb CoC
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[tantek] WordPress << https://make.wordpress.org/chat/ <blockquote>The WordPress project uses Slack as its main real-time communication platform, replacing all previous communication platforms such as IRC and Skype.</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "https://make.wordpress.org/chat/ <blockquote>The WordPress project uses Slack as its main real-time communication platform, replacing all previous communication platforms such as IRC and Skype.</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /WordPress https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=66018&oldid=65372
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@JamieTanna Reminder that tonight is #HomebrewWebsiteClub Nottingham https://www.jvt.me/events/homebrew-website-club-nottingham/2019/10/30/ at Ludorati from 1730 to 1930 Come to work on, talk about, or get inspired for your personal website (twitter.com/_/status/1189451591155376128)
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@codetalkstv Own your content on Social Media using the IndieWeb https://codetalks.tv/talk/own-your-content-on-social-media-using-the-indieweb-x3srzuh00gq #DevStories #JAMstack (twitter.com/_/status/1189456840146350080)
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@secac3 WordPress 用 indieweb-post-kinds プラグインにおけるクロスサイトスクリプティングの脆弱性 https://jvndb.jvn.jp/ja/contents/2015/JVNDB-2015-008438.html (twitter.com/_/status/1189456940985831424)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ #OpenEd19 This work is also informed by the #IndieWeb community as I believe when you combine the values of owning your content, being in control of your identity, and making better connections through open standards and semantic HTMl #OER gets… https://jgregorymcverry.com/notes/2019-10-30-4 (twitter.com/_/status/1189486896923238400)
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@amongthestones ↩️ And there are beautiful spaces around. The IndieWeb movement, @microdotblog, so many interesting podcasts and creative spaces, it’s awesome. But Twitter is not one of them, nor Facebook. (twitter.com/_/status/1189503117500571648)
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@IndieWebLife Interview with IndieWeb co-founders #indieweblife https://www.manton.org/2019/07/08/interview-with-indieweb.html (twitter.com/_/status/1189508613066448896)
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@tchambers “The Indieweb is a place you can take some of your sovereignty back.” https://www.jhsheridan.com/officially-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/1189513468988346368)
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@mmoyaro The IndieWeb Movement: Owning Your Data and Being the Change You Want to See in the Web https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/10/20/indieweb-talk/ HT @JamieTanna (twitter.com/_/status/1189516843222028289)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I am so excited @microdotblog added domain registration. Moving all my community organization like #EastHaddam #Pack22 Cub Scouts. All the #IndieWeb goodness with turn key ease anyone can use. So excited (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1TSE0e) (twitter.com/_/status/1189525745598631936)
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[Michael_Beckwit of course [tantek] beat me to that Molly Lambert tweet about blogging being dead
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ #OpenEd19 It is important to note I undertake this research from an explicity subjective lens of wanting to improve my teaching and from my deeply held belief the #IndieWeb provides the best approach for OER. My wild guessing could also be called an… https://jgregorymcverry.com/notes/2019-10-30-8 (twitter.com/_/status/1189544781959122945)
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circles2916[m] I think $5 per month is too pricey for micro blog. Most people just don't think their thoughts are important enough to warrant that price tag. Free is the value most people put on their passing thoughts, and for that reason, I think it's probably best to just wait for a distributed solution
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circles2916[m] I think something like Site.js (https://sitejs.org/) or Beaker Browser are closer to the goal. Of course ease-of-use work still needs to be done
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[manton] It's okay if "most people" want something free. I think there are many thousands (millions?) of people who don't mind paying $5 if the solution is much better than the free alternatives.
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[manton] I've been following both Site.js and Beaker Browser and love what they are doing. Those are important projects. But I think to make something as easy as possible for the mainstream it has to be a hosted solution, so that's what Micro.blog is attempting to do.
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aaronpk If you think $5/mo is too pricey then you're not the target market :-)
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circles2916[m] manton: I don't think I was clear enough, sorry. What I've come to believe is that the vast majority of people do not desire to be "content creators". The only reason they have a "feed" at all is because existing services demand that they have one.
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circles2916[m] I think the future of social is simply messaging (group chats), and *optional* feeds for creators.
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circles2916[m] > If you think $5/mo is too pricey then you're not the target market :-)
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circles2916[m] 100% agree. I'd rather die than pay $5 for twitter 😛
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aaronpk The point stands tho. There are plenty of people who do value their content or want to be content creators or whatever
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aaronpk circles2916[m]: do you have your own website right now?
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circles2916[m] yes
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aaronpk Cool, don't think I've seen you around these parts before. Have you logged in to the wiki or anything yet?
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circles2916[m] No. I've thought about it, but I really just don't think I have anything worth the trouble of publishing publicly
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circles2916[m] Put all this work in... and for what? My kingdom for a horse...
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aaronpk We're always curious to see what people use their own websites for. One way is to document what you do with your website on your wiki user page or add yourself to examples on wiki pages for particular features your site has
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[manton] @circles2916 Thanks for clarifying. I think there will always be people who want to post their stuff publicly, even if private/groups become more popular. I know a lot of folks in this community are thinking about how private posts will fit with the IndieWeb.
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[jgmac1106] I know so many people who would rather pay $5 a month for working plumbing they never have to touch so they can own their content. I am moving all my non-profits to micro.blog
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@_djmoch ↩️ @miklb @brentsimmons #IndieWeb to usher in a new golden age of blogging? I’d like to hope so! (twitter.com/_/status/1189599119683264513)
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[tantek] "Of course ease-of-use work still needs to be done" <-- this is why it's worth paying $5/month.
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[tantek] [calumryan] sknebel Zegnat you coming to Berlin2? Add yourself https://indieweb.org/2019/Berlin2/Project_Goals 🙂
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[calumryan] Not able to do Berlin2 [tantek]
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[tantek] Remote?
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[calumryan] On vacation in Asia
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[tantek] whoa nice!
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[tantek] !tell [Yulia] [Teresa_Ingram] project goals page for Berlin2 is up! Go ahead and add yourselves and what you're working on! https://indieweb.org/2019/Berlin2/Project_Goals
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk i've decided i need to do a better job of planning my travel next year. i'd like to get indiewebcamps on my calendar sooner than later for example
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aaronpk checks /2020 for planning dates
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aaronpk wow that's quite the ambitious list for 2020
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[tantek] sknebel do you have an IndieWeb t-shirt?
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sknebel dont think so
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sknebel hoodie
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[tantek] alrighty then, pretty sure this extra one I have will fit you
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sknebel thx
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Agree conferences don't need to be gigantic carbon suck holes and expensive. Let's keep #OpenPedagogy regional. We organize @IndieWebCamp across the globe and these are free. Same with #edcamp. Grab a friend, find wifi, start a movement. #OpenEd19 (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1xLOtU) (twitter.com/_/status/1189628754420781056)
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@jgmac1106 Check out this #oer and #IndieWeb project we are launching in Ghana as @mozilla open leaders https://goifnetwork.org #OpenEd19 (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/182qJJ) (twitter.com/_/status/1189630178324033547)
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[jgmac1106] We made hoodies? Jealous
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aaronpk there was a very limited run of hoodies that joschi made for Nürnberg. I didn't even get one cause I didn't go that year!
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[tantek] same! very limited European exclusive. also don't have one
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@autiomaa ↩️ Medium also removed `rel-canonical` so people can't cross-post their content there anymore. Previously people could get the benefit for their personal websites even while Medium could get extra content for their own readers. https://indieweb.org/Medium#Issues (twitter.com/_/status/1189648434317451269)
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[tantek] Medium--
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Loqi Medium has -3 karma in this channel over the last year (-5 in all channels)
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[benatwork] I still get a notification whenever someone mentions Medium here and I should probably remove it
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[benatwork] But also, I'm genuinely outraged that Medium removed rel-canonical.
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[tantek] worth a blog post?
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[tantek] assuming people there still listen to you 🙂
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[benatwork] Tempting to walk up the road and say "oi"
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[benatwork] But yes, a blog post is a good idea
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aaronpk 😂😂😂
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[benatwork] Medium's newly-aggressive paywall probably has a lot to do with it
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[tantek] kinda meta, I think it's hilarious that adactio refuses to refer to Medium by name when he's talking about it, and instead he calls it "Ev's blog"
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[benatwork] True fact: people inside Medium are aware of that and HATE it
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[tantek] wait what
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[tantek] lololol
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[tantek] what is Ev's blog
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[tantek] e.g. https://adactio.com/links/15297
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] mathieudutour/medium-to-own-blog: Switch from Medium to your own blog in a few minutes June 7th, 2019 Following on from Stackbit’s tool, here’s another (more code-heavy) way of migrating from Ev’s blog to your own site.
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[tantek] what is Ev’s blog
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Ev’s blog" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Ev’s blog is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Ev’s blog is /Medium
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /Ev’s_blog (+19) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[qubyte] I love that, and anti-love medium, so calling it Ev’s blog is a double-win.
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jacky right
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jacky man
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jacky adactio might have started something lol
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[qubyte] I’m stop calling it that when they stop finding creative new ways to make it more awful.
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loqi.me created /database_error_occurred (+38) "prompted by aaronpk and redirect added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Looks like Medium turned off github issues too? An issue link on /Medium is 404 and I don't see issues tab on the repo
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GWG [jgmac1106]: Have you considered trying to get [manton] to sponsor your scout troop? They could be the Micro.blog Scouts.
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GWG Sorry, weird random idea
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gRegorLove No wayback of it either
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[KevinMarks] Medium is now more useful in an incognito window than when logged in
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[jgmac1106] Or you wait for two friends to share on Nuzzel to view in text mode...
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[jgmac1106] Kind of read the NYT and Washington Post this way... Just wait for Nuzzle
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@schnarfed ↩️ you just need to send a webmention, right? both of those should work. receivers like http://micro.blog don't special case "blog platforms" vs any other senders. alternatively, feel free to jump into https://indieweb.org/discuss and ask one of us to send a wm, we'd be happy to! (twitter.com/_/status/1189688566374223872)
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