#indiewebcamp 2012-11-17

2012-11-17 UTC
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tantek aaronpk - is this the origin of the * all the * meme graphic that Loqi uses? http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/06/this-is-why-ill-never-be-adult.html
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aaronpk tantek: yes lol!
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tommorris 388,214 once-shortened now dead URLs revived! http://archive.org/details/urlbat
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tommorris put the announcement up too: http://tommorris.org/posts/2504
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tantek nicely done tommorris
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tantek have folks seen the newly updated http://identengine.com/ ? From what I can tell it's a complete replacement for the Google Social Graph API's rel=me functionality, except that it's also *open source*.
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tommorris oh nice
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tantek e.g. try putting your personal URL into any of the demos
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tantek I think identengine.com aligns nicely with the whole POSSE way of thinking, and should be able to be used to verify and/or discover both where you're POSSE'ing out to and where your primary site is.
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tantek e.g. try this: http://identengine.com/demos/identities
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tommorris that's pretty useful. I was thinking of trying to build some kind of indieweb tweetish RSS reader.
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barnabywalters oh that’s cool. a finished version of openfollow
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tantek with any of your identities (e.g. I tried my Twitter URL), and it *should* come back with what it thinks is your primary URL/identity.
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barnabywalters tommorris: oh dear, you’re going to beat me to it ;)
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tantek "The most important site that represents this is person would seem to be: http://tantek.com/."
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tommorris yep, finding tommorris.org for twitter.com/tommorris
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tantek sweet
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tantek this feels like an essential indieweb discovery building block
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tantek given any URL for a person, what's their primary / indieweb URL?
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tommorris well, imagine an indieweb microblog-design feed reader. someone says "oh, I'm blabla on Twitter". tap it in, subscribe to their website instead. ;-)
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tantek bingo
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tommorris so, the current way I'm trying to do the indieweb thing is to work out what commercial services I'm using, then just trying to think of the easiest way to replace them with my own personal site is.
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tommorris so, GetGlue is an interesting one. it's a checkin app but for media. you can checkin to TV, movies, music, books, magazines, video games or even "thinking about" a particular topic.
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tommorris for a while, I've used it to track what movies I've watched. that seems like an eminently cloneable thing given we have a pretty decent source of movie data: Wikipedia/Dbpedia.
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tommorris and Wikipedia should also do TV, video games and albums.
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tantek indeed
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tantek do they have an API so you can syndicate your indieweb media "check-ins" into their site with a permalink in a "comment" on your "checkin" that links back to the original "post" on your indieweb site?
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@BarnabyWalters http://identengine.com/ is an amazing social graph API for the #indieweb. Great work @glennjones! (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/566)
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tommorris they do have an API
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tantek or even better if you could just them to subscribe to your "media check-in" updates from your own site via PuSH
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tantek but a bespoke API is better than nothing I suppose
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tommorris there's loads of things I need to work on for tommorris.org, but most of my attention has been on work project recently. but I hit 2,500 posts in my posts table. ;-)
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barnabywalters tommorris: I saw in your URLs :) congratulations!
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tantek tommorris - are you going to http://uxcampbrighton2012.eventbrite.co.uk/ ? I'm curious if there's going to be any indieweb discussions there.
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tantek wow 2500 posts on your own site! great!
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tantek does that include old posts that you've ported over?
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tommorris most of those were imports from a twitter XML dump I had from a while back
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tommorris I haven't yet ported Tumblr over
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barnabywalters tommorris: how many do you have on tumblr?
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tommorris loads.
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barnabywalters I assume they are of a longer length in general
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tantek that process of importing dumps from silo sites is probably worth writing up
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tantek I know I would benefit from seeing how others do it.
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tommorris yeah, and open sourcing the scripts.
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tantek perhaps even in a "how to move to the indie web" kind of page on the wiki
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tommorris mostly what I've been doing is building an importer function into the Rails app, then dumping the XML or JSON into the Public/ folder on Dropbox, then pointing my server to those XML files.
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tantek perhaps as part of Getting Started - since a lot (most?) already have content in silos to port over
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barnabywalters tommorris: you made a comment recently about not being able to use the twitter API to get beyond 32,000 tweets. As we’re in europe, we are entitled to our entire history, but I don’t know if it’s in a very useful format
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tantek even if we just document each of our own one-off approaches, maybe someone can learn and improve upon them
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tommorris barnabywalters: not even 32,000. 3,200!
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barnabywalters tommorris: that’s the one ;)
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tommorris Twitter's original excuse is that it was a limitation of their MySQL backend that they'd fix once they'd moved over to their new DB
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tantek tommorris re-ping re: are you going to http://uxcampbrighton2012.eventbrite.co.uk/ ?
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tommorris I'm not, but I could do
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tantek I think Glenn Jones is going
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tantek https://twitter.com/glennjones/status/269449478489133056
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@glennjones Just signed up for UXCampBrighton http://t.co/NqZi9LQn still a few tickets left #uxcb12
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tantek given that UX is such a big part of what we need to improve on the indieweb, it might be worth it
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tommorris what the hell, sounds like a good idea
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tantek barnabywalters - it's a one day event, you might be interested too
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barnabywalters tantek: I still haven’t quite got my head round exactly what UX people do, so it would be an education :)
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tantek that's certainly worth doing!
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barnabywalters unfortunately I’m doing a gig on that day :(
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tommorris 5,748 posts on Tumblr to move over...
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barnabywalters tommorris: woah!
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tommorris that's gonna be fun.
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tommorris so, the reason I've been putting off doing that is the URL routing. basically, I need to setup a way of forwarding the URLs. and maybe preserving the comments.
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tommorris fortunately, the Tumblr stuff is on blog.tommorris.org, so I can just build a redirector
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tantek these sound like good challenges to note
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tantek tommorris - I know Ben Ward was trying to do something similar for his Tumblr
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tommorris heh, the last post on the Tumblr site is a post about IndieWebCamp.
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tommorris I'd quite like to take the "likes" and "reblogs" from Tumblr too.
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tantek seem appropriate
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tantek.com created /Tumblr (+235) "stub with a few challenges" (view diff)
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tommorris so, the nice thing with the Tumblr API is you don't need to authenticate to use v1 of the API
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tantek.com edited /Tumblr (+23) "reblogs" (view diff)
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barnabywalters interesting: tumblr sites with custom domains fail if requested over https
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barnabywalters tommorris: oh, that’s cool
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tommorris so http://blog.tommorris.org/api/read/
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tommorris or http://blog.tommorris.org/api/read/json
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tommorris which gives you JSONP rather than JSON
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tommorris documentation for the v1 API: http://www.tumblr.com/docs/en/api/v1
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barnabywalters I wish safari would format JSON like it does XML
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tommorris barnabywalters: I know there's a Chrome plugin and maybe a Firefox plugin that pretty-prints and syntax highlights JSON
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barnabywalters looks in extensions.safari
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tommorris `curl {url} | python -mjson.tool` is pretty handy. just a built in tool in Python that pretty prints JSON
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barnabywalters https://github.com/rfletcher/safari-json-formatter looks perfect
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tantek.com created /Twitter (+717) "stub with a few challenges, suggestions" (view diff)
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tommorris.org edited /Tumblr (+146) "adding API" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started (+359) "night, Port old silo content to your site" (view diff)
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barnabywalters "Twitter has an API for getting replies to a particular tweet" — does it? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2693553/replies-to-a-particular-tweet-twitter-api
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barnabywalters this is a problem I had before. related_results is highly unreliable and unofficial
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tantek barnabywalters - add that to the wiki page!
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barnabywalters doing now
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tantek :)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Twitter (+376) "/* Challenges */ Added disputes about quality and usefulness of twitter API" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Twitter (-7) "/* Challenges */ Corrected retweet dispute, added doc link" (view diff)
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tommorris.org edited /Tumblr (+182) "/* How to */ added subsection on mapping Tumblr post types to ActivityStreams" (view diff)
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barnabywalters tommorris: are you using ActivityStreams for internal representation of your data?
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tommorris barnabywalters: no, but it's easy enough to map my systems to it
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tantek.com edited /Tumblr (+83) "link ActivityStreams" (view diff)
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tantek barnabywalters, tommorris re: "are you using ActivityStreams…" - see and add to: http://indiewebcamp.com/ActivityStreams#Indieweb_perspectives
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Twitter (+481) "/* Challenges */ Added link to European legal entitlement" (view diff)
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barnabywalters tantek: I have gone halves with activitystreams. I have no interest in using the actor-verb-object model either internally or user-facing, but it is useful to have a standardised interface to social “objects”
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tantek per this http://indiewebcamp.com/ActivityStreams#Verbs_vs_just_posts ?
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barnabywalters tantek: no, I am not even doing that any more ;) Articles store their own edit history
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barnabywalters I no longer maintain an `activity` listing/table
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tantek good to know. update? ;)
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barnabywalters too great a pain/value ratio
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barnabywalters yep, I will update it, plus thoughts on standard interfaces
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /ActivityStreams (+282) "/* Verbs vs just posts */" (view diff)
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tommorris so, I've fixed my Atom feed, so the articles have the ActivityStream article type and the notes have the note type
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barnabywalters anyone know anything about this? http://expertlabs.org/2012/03/help-us-launch-thinkup-as-a-company.html
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barnabywalters the link to the application is broken
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barnabywalters …and as that was their latest blog post, doesn’t look like anything’s come of it
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barnabywalters thinkup is quite a slick app, and does a good job at back-porting tweets, facebook updates and G+ data
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barnabywalters but I have heard both nickcharlton and aaronpk complain about it’s archival format
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barnabywalters still, the crawlers may be of use to back-porters
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barnabywalters I might try it with my facebook data, when I’m 18 and FB finally let me have proper access to their API :/
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