#indiewebcamp 2012-12-16

2012-12-16 UTC
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tommorris tantek: just worked out how to do microformats+schema+foaf in a blogroll.
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tommorris <a href="http://tantek.com/" rel="met friend colleague foaf:homepage foaf:weblog" typeof="foaf:Person schema:Person" class="vcard h-card fn h-name" property="schema:name foaf:name">Tantek Çelik</a> ;-)
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tantek oh dear ;)
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tommorris I'm pretty sure I'm missing a few things.
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tantek I don't think you need the h-name
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tommorris ah okay
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tantek and the vcard/fn thing on the same element doesn't work that way (nor do the others I think, typeof and property etc.
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tantek I think you need a nested element for the root element "type" and then the "property"
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tantek you certainly do with microdata, not sure about RDFa (or which iteration would do what with that markup)
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tommorris actually, could probably do u-url for the uf2
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tantek for single-element #microformats like that, I'm just recommending using only microformats2, to avoid the need for any extra nested elements.
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tantek that's the beauty of uf2
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tantek your use of the <a href> automatically gets you a u-url
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tommorris ah okay
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tantek here, check this out: http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/?
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tantek try: <a href="http://tantek.com/" class="h-card">Tantek Çelik</a>
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tantek this was a big innovation introduced in microformats2. I'm pretty sure no other metadata markup syntax has such convenient one-element shortcuts.
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tantek hence: microformats2: making microformats even simpler :)
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tommorris on an unrelated note but one you'll be interested in given bodyoptimization, I'm very tempted to try and somehow hook up my new exercise bike to my site.
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tommorris geek exercise accountability: give it a URI. ;-)
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tantek whoa
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tantek indieweb quantifiedself!
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tommorris well, if you've got a database-backed website you have built yourself, it's only a matter of making a nice web admin UI to collect this stuff.
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tommorris I've tried a few smartphone apps, but all I really want to do is log km / time / calories per session, and be able to pull that up again
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tommorris once you have a site where you can authenticate yourself to post snarky updates and kitten photos, you may as well use the same site and database for everything else.
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tantek agreed
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tantek tommorris - we had a session on QS in Portland this past year: http://indiewebcamp.com/2012/Quantified_Self
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tantek even a demo
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tantek by the Beeminder folks
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tommorris outie-web?
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tantek yes
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tantek the silo-web that is indie-web enabled to post to your indieweb site via Oauth
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tantek essentially, using their site as an indieweb posting client.
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tantek and their native apps
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tantek the co-founders of Beeminder showed up and were able to get it working to post to their own personal websites
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tantek hence the "Register a callback URL for the outieweb service to push data to. "
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tommorris so, one of the problems I've found is there are loads of exercise tracking/food tracking apps on iOS/Android, but they don't seem to have checkin reminds. if you've got your own site, you can not only have pretty graphs but if you've built it yourself, you can set custom rules
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tommorris like, if I haven't checked in for three days, bloody well prod me with an email because it either means I'm not checking in or worse I'm slacking.
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tommorris also http://tommorris.org/pages/blogroll
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tantek tommorris - just took a look
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tantek this: class="vcard fn h-card p-name u-url" can and should be shortened to just: class="h-card"
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tantek so you can keep your current minimal elements
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tommorris ;-)
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tommorris done
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tommorris so, wikipedia doesn't actually have an article about the concept of a blogroll (it got rolled into the "Glossary of blogging" article)
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tommorris can just use the IWC wiki for stuff like that. ;-)
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tantek.com edited /discovery (+307) "Help or About" (view diff)
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tantek exactly tommorris
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tantek there's a bit too much overly aggressive deletionism / mergism on Wikipedia for my preferences
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tantek I'd rather separate concepts get their own seed pages, not just little subsections of larger pages.
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tantek summaries are fine, but that's there the whole {{mai|n| … }} etc. template comes in handy so you can always expand upon anything. Most merges I see appear to be mistakes in that regard.
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tantek (on Wikipedia)
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tommorris Yeah, it can be a bit too much. I understand the reasons for it, and I think most admins on WP embrace deletionism once they dive headlong into the shitstream. ;-)
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tantek current/present event/people/stuff deletionism I can kind of understand
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tantek however, the deletionism of historical stuff is just insane
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tantek e.g. this is annoying: http://www.vintagecomputing.com/index.php/archives/922
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tommorris interestingly, the first mention of blogrolls is on Doc Searls' old blog. on the same page, it also has a post about how SixDegrees was getting shutdown
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tommorris "What archival goodies have you entrusted to servers at dot-coms with little money left to burn?"
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tommorris that was December 2000.
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tommorris but in twelve years, we've learned not to entrust all shit to venture-backed startups and morally dubious big corporations, right? ;-)
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tommorris http://doc.weblogs.com/2000/12/17
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tantek please feel free to add that to indiewebcamp.com/blogrolls :)
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tantek er, blogroll
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tantek :)
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tantek lol
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tommorris yep, just doing
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tantek nice find
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tantek that's deserving of adding to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#2000
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tantek ;)
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tommorris.org edited /site-deaths (+133) "/* 2001 */ adding SixDegrees" (view diff)
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tommorris on the geocities one, I was once quoted in the press as saying "They are destroying the cave paintings of the web". ;-)
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tantek great quote
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tommorris wonders whether Napster ought to be listed on site-deaths
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tommorris P2P media sharing services aren't really in our remit. ;-)
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tantek no - see the header about "gmail"
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tantek no permalinks to posts
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tommorris ah yes
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tantek though I can see indieweb sites doing p2p sharing of comments for example
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tantek I believe that's what the big boys call "Federation"
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tommorris holy crap, http://thenextweb.com/twitter/2012/12/16/twitter-has-started-rolling-out-the-option-to-download-all-your-tweets/
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tommorris.org edited /why (+34) "/* see also */ let's have a page encouraging good practice" (view diff)
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tommorris.org created /Sites_with_data_portability (+1659) "Created page with "Below is a list of sites that meet the following criteria: # they let you publish things on the web # they let you retrieve '''all''' the content that you have posted in a reaso..."" (view diff)
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aaronpk whoa! new flickr top nav
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melvster tommorris: doesnt facebook let you download your data?
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tommorris melvster: yep.
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