#indiewebcamp 2012-12-18

2012-12-18 UTC
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@silvioheinze @A_Erza that are web 2.0 business models … #privacy #ownyourdata
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@tommorris For all of you pissed off about Instagram, here is a radical idea: get your own website and put your pictures on there. #indiewebcamp
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@Gonzogeographer I'm tracking IndieWebCampUK, 9th September 2012 in Brighton http://lanyrd.com/2012/indiewebcampuk/
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@mwildeboer Which kind designer soul knows where I can find this icon in vector: http://indiewebcamp.com/images/thumb/0/02/sharebutton-iphone.png/300px-sharebutton-iphone.png. Thanks!
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@AlfonsoRomay Respecto a Instagram, recuerden la #IndieWeb: http://alfonsoromay.com/2012/07/movimientos-hacia-una-web-independiente/ "If You’re Not Paying for It
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Loqi You’re the Product", como leí a @fodor.
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@AlfonsoRomay How capitalism breaks the web http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/12/18/how-capitalism-breaks-the-web/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=60132 Más sobre la necesidad de la #IndieWeb
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@silverton Meanwhle MT @TheAtlanticWire Horrible autoplay videoads coming to Facebook http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2012/12/facebook-autoplay-video-ads/60129/ |Help us http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page our pwnly hope
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tantek well how about that: http://thenextweb.com/twitter/2012/12/16/twitter-has-started-rolling-out-the-option-to-download-all-your-tweets/
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tantek Loqi, page title and stuff?
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Loqi woot!
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barnabywalters tantek, remember when we were last discussing web actions, one of the problems was UI — where do we put the buttons whilst keeping the users in control, and all that?
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barnabywalters I’m extending aaronpk’s chrome extension to work not only on twitter, but on any website which uses a tweet button
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barnabywalters got the idea from one of caseorganic’s wiki pages — an idea about using AR to "reclaim" physical ad space with content the wearer would prefer
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tantek was that aaronpk's extension or was it Julien51's extension that he demoed at IndieWebCamp 2012 Portland?
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tantek The Butler or something like that
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barnabywalters I heard about the butler, never saw it
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barnabywalters I’m building off aaronpk’s extension
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aaronpk this one http://vimeo.com/48097093
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: Why not just do it as bookmarklets? will work in any browser
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tantek wondering if this butler type concept is worthy of documenting more in general on the wiki
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aaronpk sandeepshetty: if you're looking at twitter.com there are like 10 tweets. the extension rewrites the "reply" button of each. a bookmarklet would only work on an individual tweet page
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty: bookmarklets require manual activation — an extra button press. I am rebuilding the extension so it can be re-packaged as an extension for any browser, though
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barnabywalters aaronpk: surely not? an extension vs bookmarklet is just a different way of deploying the JS…?
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aaronpk what would happen if you click the bookmarklet?
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barnabywalters that would run the bindTwitter function, then you’d click the reply button
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barnabywalters hence the extra click
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aaronpk oh. that would work.
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aaronpk i don't think of bookmarklets that way
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aaronpk i use them to take a specific action immediately.
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sandeepshetty I way thinking about it in the same way... I think about bookmarklets modifying the page to suit my needs...
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barnabywalters agreed
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aaronpk wow really? what are some other examples?
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barnabywalters hence not entirely suitable for this application
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sandeepshetty strip styles..
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barnabywalters inject fun games (asteroids and katamari damacy) into your HTML ;)
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sandeepshetty change font size, etc..
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sandeepshetty Can't find the link but the coolest one was where users could submit their own remix of a page that they regularly visit, e.g., slashdot, HN, etc..
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: by "rebuilding the extension so it can be re-packaged as an extension for any browser" you mean you are abstracting out it's core form the browser dependent bits so it can be reused or something else?
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barnabywalters abstracting out the browser dependant bits
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barnabywalters but the priority is just to get it to work
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barnabywalters having trouble with twitter tweet buttons
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barnabywalters they are awkward
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tantek yes, this is a problem with the current visual/interaction design of almost all web actions on actual web pages
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barnabywalters only way to get at the data is to parse the fragment ID of the src attribute of an iframe as if it were a query string :/
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sandeepshetty @tantek: What is?
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tantek they are awkward
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: link to source of chrome extension?
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty: this is my fork of aaronpk’s original repo: https://github.com/barnabywalters/IndieWeb-Reply-Browser-Extension
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tantek sandeepshetty read the articles linked from this section: http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions#Drop_Social_Buttons
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sandeepshetty BTW, when did the wiki go from supporting openid to only indieauth?
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sandeepshetty I remember having logged in with openid the first I visited here..
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tantek depends on what your site has on it I think
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aaronpk when i launched the indieauth support I removed the openid plugin. I don't think MW lets you have multiple auth plugins
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sandeepshetty can't logging from my blog anymore.. at least the last few time I tried..
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tantek oh for some reason I thought indieauth also itself did openid support - did that change?
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aaronpk indieauth itself does, but i thought sandeepshetty meant something else
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tantek aaronpk - did you see my message about indieauth using an out of date version of the Google Auth APIs?
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tantek (from Sunday night PST)
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aaronpk oh yea! sad
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aaronpk i was on a plane
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2012-12-16#t1355713758
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sandeepshetty I meant just openid without indieauth...
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tantek sandeepshetty - why would you want that? indieauth is a superset
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sandeepshetty with my blog opneid just worked.. I remember making a few edits to the wiki.. but now I need to go mess around bloggers template interface and add some markup..
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sandeepshetty i.e., if I want to use my own domain to login..
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tantek should still work unless the openid support in indieauth is broken. aaronpk?
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aaronpk i don't remember the state of the openid support right now... i was having trouble with the omniauth openid plugin a while ago tho
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aaronpk i should check if there are any updates to that code
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Loqi definitely
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sandeepshetty "There was a problem! No rel="me" links were found on your website"
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sandeepshetty Thats the msg I get..
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aaronpk if openid support is enabled it should find the openid tags in the page
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sandeepshetty http://sandeep.shetty.in/ <link rel="openid.server" href="http://www.blogger.com/openid-server.g" /> <link rel="openid.delegate" href="http://sandeep.shetty.in/" />
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aaronpk ok, it may be disabled then
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barnabywalters yay! sorted out stupid twitter iframe fragment crap
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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sandeepshetty aaronpk: BTW, the chrome extension to rewrite the reply action is pretty cool. Extensions are also easier for regular users to install/use than bookmarlets I guess
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aaronpk hm, doesn't look like it's disabled in the code
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sandeepshetty Anything I can do to help debug?
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aaronpk have you done much ruby before?
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sandeepshetty nope :) I meant making login attempts :D
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aaronpk ah darn
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aaronpk the way to debug is to run indieauth locally
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aaronpk i don't have time right now
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barnabywalters I made the tweet button hijacker work. If anyone is up for testing it out themselves I’d greatly appreciate it
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sandeepshetty Thats ok... let me know when you get around to it...
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sandeepshetty barnababywalters: is the target configurable?
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sandeepshetty how do I install it?
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty: it is *really* configurable ;) To install: clone https://github.com/barnabywalters/IndieWeb-Reply-Browser-Extension
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barnabywalters then, in chrome, navigate to chrome:extensions
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aaronpk barnabywalters: i just merged your PR :)
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barnabywalters aaronpk: expect some more soon :)
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aaronpk excellent
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barnabywalters sandeepshetty: after that, enable developer mode (top right)
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barnabywalters click Load Unpacked Extension, and navigate to the /chrome/ directory in the cloned repo
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barnabywalters then set it up via the extension options page, and try clicking on reply links on twitter.com and mysterious "post to your indieweb site" buttons on sites which should have twitter buttons ;)
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sandeepshetty barnabywalters: Works for me.
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barnabywalters yay!
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Loqi :D
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@kimparsell @kishau Host my images on a self-hosted WordPress install. Instagram can take a long walk off a short pier. #ownyourdata
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barnabywalters well that seems like a successful evening’s hacking. goodnight all!
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Loqi goodnight!
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tommorris should have a poke at barnaby's code on GH
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tommorris chrome-only? oh man. I need to learn how to make a FF extension.
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