#indiewebcamp 2013-01-28

2013-01-28 UTC
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Loqi 19 files modified, 4 new files, 2 files removed in aaronpk/Pingback/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Pingback/compare/416b42a207c7...3bd8605b0961
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Loqi aaronpk: Separate controller logic. Better home page text.
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Loqi aaronpk: Add sample ping rake task
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Loqi aaronpk: Adds a /api/links route to return all pingbacks for a given URL
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Loqi aaronpk: Returns JSON or XML output in preparation for return an atom feed of pingbacks.
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Loqi aaronpk: Send an IRC message to a zenircbot if configured for the account
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Loqi 1 files modified in aaronpk/Pingback/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Pingback/compare/3bd8605b0961...fa5bb03a6e9f
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Loqi aaronpk: help debug utf-16 errors
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aaronpk !tell tantek I found a MediaWiki plugin to send 301 redirects for MediaWiki redirect pages instead of serving the duplicate content, it's running on indiewebcamp.com now!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronparecki.com edited /pingback.me (+257) (view diff)
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Loqi 3 files modified, 1 new files in aaronpk/Pingback/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Pingback/compare/fa5bb03a6e9f...923ad8e36e70
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Loqi aaronpk: Better readme, add logo to home page.
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Loqi aaronpk: fix default api format. add ?limit=x parameter
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aaronparecki.com edited /pingback (+163) "added instructions on using pingback.me to test sending pingbacks" (view diff)
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Loqi 2 files modified in aaronpk/Pingback/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Pingback/compare/923ad8e36e70...5dc156ae9988
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Loqi aaronpk: adds jsonp support
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aaronparecki.com edited /pingback (+21) "/* How do I test sending pingbacks? */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /projects (+229) "/* experimental */ add pingback.me" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2013/UK (+600) "/* RSVP */ add me!" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /User:Aaronparecki.com (+66) "/* IndieWeb Support */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com created /translations (+354) "Created page with "{{stub}} Display conventions for linking to alternate translations of one of your web pages? * http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2012/10/22/1/creating-content-on-the-indie-web *..."" (view diff)
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aaronpk !tell tantek would be curious to hear your thoughts on indieweb post translations http://indiewebcamp.com/translations
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters would be curious to hear your thoughts on indieweb post translations http://indiewebcamp.com/translations
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk !tell tommorris would be curious to hear your thoughts on indieweb post translations http://indiewebcamp.com/translations
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk thanks loqi you're the best
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Loqi you're welcome
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aaronpk goodnight
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Loqi night
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 4 hours, 12 minutes ago: I found a MediaWiki plugin to send 301 redirects for MediaWiki redirect pages instead of serving the duplicate content, it's running on indiewebcamp.com now!
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 1 hour, 36 minutes ago: would be curious to hear your thoughts on indieweb post translations http://indiewebcamp.com/translations
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@h0pbeat MIT Human Dynamics' data privacy hackathon kicks off. #ownyourdata http://twitter.com/h0pbeat/status/295912697831247872/photo/1
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@bettybrowser MIT Human Dynamics' data privacy hackathon kicks off. #ownyourdata http://t.co/3rCBHrDn: MIT Human Dyna... http://twitter.com/h0pbeat/statuses/295912697831247872?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter #privacy
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Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message 10 hours, 10 minutes ago: would be curious to hear your thoughts on indieweb post translations http://indiewebcamp.com/translations
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barnabywalters adds his translated article to the links
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aaronpk oh that's a thought
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aaronpk I was actually trying to put up a stub to get feedback on how people are displaying links to translated articles
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barnabywalters aaronpk: so current examples is a good place to start
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /translations (+381) "Structured examples, added mine" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /translations (+424) "Added markup notes and links to resources for finding language codes" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /translations (+441) "/* Current Examples of IWC Translated Articles */ Added notes on my translated article" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /translations (+66) "/* Current Examples of IWC Translated Articles */ signature, not hr" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /translations (+298) "/* Markup */ Put questions into a section, added my own comment" (view diff)
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /translations (+20) "/* Current Examples of IWC Translated Articles */" (view diff)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: awesome work on that page, thanks!
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barnabywalters aaronpk: np — btw, I see you RSVPd for IWCUK 2013 — is that remote, or are you planning on travelling?
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aaronpk going to be there in person if all goes well!
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barnabywalters cool! will be great to meet you in person :)
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aaronpk indeed!
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tommorris aaronpk: awesomesauce.
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Loqi tommorris: aaronpk left you a message 10 hours, 52 minutes ago: would be curious to hear your thoughts on indieweb post translations http://indiewebcamp.com/translations
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tommorris hmm. @hreflang
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tommorris I wonder what we use on Wikipedia. (if anything)
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barnabywalters tommorris: I was looking on wikipedia language pages for those awkward codes, but they don’t seem to be on there. How does one go about adding them to the infobox things on the right?
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tommorris yeah, we're using @hreflang on Wikipedia. check the 'languages' sidebar.
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tommorris to infoboxes?
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tommorris why'd you want to add languages to infoboxes? ;-)
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barnabywalters well, to infoboxes on language pages, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language
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barnabywalters although one of those language codes already there might be the right one, just under a different name
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tommorris there should be an ISO language code
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tommorris yeah, ISO 639-1
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barnabywalters there are four on that example!
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tommorris so, I'm presuming that @hreflang in HTML uses ISO 639-1 language codes like pretty much everything else on the web. HTML, XML, RDF, loads of stuff use ISO 639-1 language codes.
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tommorris with variants
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tommorris like en-GB en-US
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barnabywalters tommorris: according to mdn it uses BCP47, but it looks like that’s another name for (or variant of) ISO 639-1
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tommorris well, frequently one doesn't directly refer to ISO standards because ISO tend to have rather anti-sane policies like charging 120 euros to read a PDF etc.
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /translations (+113) "/* Markup */ Added link to list of ISO 639-1 codes" (view diff)
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barnabywalters tommorris: ah, I see. A bit like the MIDI standards body
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tommorris decides to transfer his mental map of Brighton to the web for perusal of IWC attendees.
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tommorris hey tantek
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tantek greetings tommorris
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@BarnabyWalters Robin Andrews, the other half of #buzz, has got himself an #indieweb domain with wordpress on! Looking forward to… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/886/
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tommorris barnabywalters: broken link in that update.
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barnabywalters tommorris: oops! thanks, fixing
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barnabywalters needs to make a nice note update UI like my articles one
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barnabywalters aaronpk: tommorris: any opinions/recommendations on how to store/query location data, specifically GPS traces and individual points?
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk depends on what you want to do with it
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barnabywalters at the moment I am leaning toward the OpenGIS functions in MySQL, as they work with what I’ve already got and don’t seem to be as bad as everyone says
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aaronpk do you know postgres at all?
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barnabywalters aaronpk: I have heard lots of good stuff about it and want to experiment with it
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tommorris PostGIS. ;-)
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aaronpk yea, you should
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aaronpk it's also not as bad as it sounds to get running
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tommorris Postgres is just MySQL with lots of the crap thrown out.
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tommorris I still have to follow a tutorial on the web to set it up on a new server, but other than that, it's fine
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aaronpk the SQL syntax is only slightly different
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tommorris nice things you get with Postgres:
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barnabywalters aaronpk: I’m mainly using Doctrine at the mo so that shouldn’t be a problem
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tommorris Tsearch2 - full-text search without having to use Sphinx or whatever.
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aaronpk interesting... was just considering installing sphinx
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tommorris HStore - lets you have a simple indexed key-value store in a column in your database
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tommorris Arrays - you can declare a column as, say, int[] and can store an array of integers in it.
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tommorris arrays also mean you don't have to denormalize excessively, which I think can be something of a SQL antipattern when taken to excess.
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aaronpk whoa that's awesome, I didn't know about arrays
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tommorris SELECT * FROM posts WHERE ANY(tag) == "microformats";
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barnabywalters tommorris: that’s great because for most of where I would use that, I can keep my current version for people using mysql
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aaronpk interesting. so my site doesn't have a DB backend yet bceause I wanted to make it as generic as possible. right now it's just .md files which I find in the filesystem.
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barnabywalters okay well over the week I’ll have a go at getting PostGIS installed
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aaronpk but now I want to add tags and searching, so I need some sort of index. maybe i should try PostGIS for it
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tommorris barnabywalters: Postgres is pretty good for geo stuff. a little project called OpenStreetMap uses it for that reason. ;-)
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aaronpk also a little project called Geoloqi :)
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aaronpk we're using PostGIS for all the new stuff we're building at Esri too
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barnabywalters cool
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barnabywalters I’m starting to record more and more of my own location data, so I’d like it to be just as queryable as my notes are
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barnabywalters so when open source AR hardware is a thing, I have a load of data to pipe in :)
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tommorris on the geo front, I'm very annoyed that I don't have any iOS6-compatible iOS hardware. someone has finally made a half-decent OpenStreetMap editor for iOS.
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barnabywalters tommorris: I’ve been using Pushpin for that, which only does area editing and POI adding/editing, but is sufficient for my basic usage
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tommorris yup, I've got Vespucci for Android
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tommorris but Go Map does offline cached editing.
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barnabywalters ooh, shiny
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tommorris it might actually potentially be the new mapping tool of choice.
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tommorris 'cos currently, nothing beats a camera, notepad and pencil. ;-)
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tommorris may use it as an excuse to trade in his old iPad 1 for a miniPad. ;)
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barnabywalters tommorris: so where do you put the photos you take? do they go on OSM or are they just for your reference?
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tommorris they go on Commons, but they are mostly geotagged
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tommorris but it takes a long time to go through and write metadata and so on
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barnabywalters a friend is getting a gopro and a little helicopter, so I’m trying to persuade him to do some ariel photography
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tommorris https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Tom_Morris
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tommorris barnabywalters: feel free to point him to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vertical_Aerial_Photographs
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tommorris http://ooc.openstreetmap.pl/kap-warsaw.xhtml is pretty amazing
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barnabywalters oh cool, he used hugin! I used to use that for panoramas
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