#indiewebcamp 2013-11-08

2013-11-08 UTC
#
KevinMarks_ well, yes. filesystem as a service is nice. especially with their new js api for it
#
KevinMarks_ http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/10/developer-preview-aws-sdk-for-javascript.html
#
KevinMarks_ looking for somethign else I found a proto-indieweb post of mine: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2007/06/open-versus-closed-code-and-networks.html
bnvk joined the channel
#
_6a68 that's interesting, i didn't realize the JS API worked client-side
pfenwick joined the channel
#
KevinMarks_ they just made it work last week
#
_6a68 that's cool. solves the problem of the (IMO) painful AWS dashboard: roll your own
snarfed, josephboyle, caseorganic, texburgher, pfenwick1, pfenwick, _6a68, ozten and skinny joined the channel
#
skinny need help getting jekyll going on my local box. i updated rvm, installed the liquid gem but "gem install jekyll" hangs indefinitely
#
@ShaneHudson I don't mind Google knowing about me, but surely this is a little over ott? I do like the map though! #indieweb https://twitter.com/ShaneHudson/status/398631668493590528/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/398631668493590528)
_6a68, bnvk, snarfed, ezpikachu, pfenwick, paulcp, ericlambrecht, skinny, jschweinsberg, poppy, cweiske, npdoty and tantek joined the channel
#
tantek good evening indiewebcamp
_6a68, tantek and LauraJ joined the channel
#
skinny tantek: heya!
#
tantek hey skinny!
#
tantek did you solve your jekyll problem?
#
skinny tantek: got the server running all my byself! a moment of pure victory.
#
skinny I stood up and hollered and threw my hands up in the air.
cweiske, andreypopp, cweiske_, skinny and Jihaisse joined the channel
#
Jihaisse Hello
_6a68, ozten, brianloveswords, LauraJ, BjornW, skinny_, barnabywalters and skinny joined the channel
#
pdurbin skinny: what was the fix?
#
skinny pdurbin: upgraded ruby, installed the liquid dependency, waiiiiitttttteeeedddd forever for the jekyll to install. it was working, just took so long I thought it was hanging.
#
pdurbin at least with the old days of the cpan client, you knew something was happening... all those tests being run ;)
friedcell, bnvk and _6a68 joined the channel
#
@ehafen BBC News - Massive DNA volunteer hunt begins http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24834375 Hunt does not go well with empowerment #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/398802463664246784)
#
@A_Massouras RT @ehafen: BBC News - Massive DNA volunteer hunt begins http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24834375 Hunt does not go well with empowerment #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/398803133268115456)
#
@wissit RT @ehafen: BBC News - Massive DNA volunteer hunt begins http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24834375 Hunt does not go well with empowerment #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/398812252637515777)
_6a68, acegiak, snarfed and skinny joined the channel
#
barnabywalters sandeep’s site is back! http://www.sandeep.io/
#
@blakeburris @aaronpk Just discovering your work on #QS, data aggregation, #IndieWeb. Good to see you and @t organizing DevCamp http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/10/11/1/the-future-of-quantified-self-devices?utm_content=buffer26196&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer (twitter.com/_/status/398826513719914496)
_6a68 joined the channel
#
Jihaisse how is it possible to have a twitter account with only one letter ?
#
barnabywalters Jihaisse: getting in there really early :)
#
Jihaisse yeah
_6a68, brianloveswords, scor and tantek joined the channel
#
tantek !tell skinny That is totally awesome!! (apologies for the lack of immediate response, you caught me just before I passed out asleep). What's the URL for your new server/site?
#
Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
#
tantek.com edited /projects (-9) "/* Jekyll */ use main template" (view diff)
#
tantek !tell skinny how long did gem install jekyll take? many minutes? hours? a day? rough estimate?
#
Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
#
tantek.com edited /Jekyll (+730) "add Troubleshooting (based on skinny's experiences), See Also sections, note pattern of migrations from WordPress" (view diff)
#
tantek.com edited /Jekyll (+1) "/* gem install jekyll hang indefinitely */ g" (view diff)
benwerd joined the channel
#
benwerd Good morning indieweb gang! Feedback very much appreciated on the way I'm now backlinking / citing on Twitter & Facebook.
#
tantek ooh
#
barnabywalters benwerd: it works! http://waterpigs.co.uk/img/benwerd-posse-discovery.png
#
barnabywalters nice one
#
benwerd excellent!
#
tantek benwerd they're short at least!
#
tantek :)
#
tantek it's interesting that you've chosen the path of always having them auto-link in Twitter
#
tantek now to see if any of your Twitter readers ever complain about that (as mine did when I used to do that)
#
benwerd I was playing with both - I can move from one to the other
#
tantek (e.g. when the whole note fits in a tweet)
#
tantek I'm still a believer in the "only auto-link when there's more content to read" school of permashortlink/citation design ;)
#
benwerd On Fb I sort of fudged it so that there's a link but Facebook ignores it (because the URI schema is missing)
#
benwerd I can definitely see that point of view
#
tantek right - FB is more flexible in that regard
#
tantek Twitter used to be
#
tantek I was actually quite annoyed when they changed it
#
tantek benwerd - more on "that point of view" http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#Why_permashortcitation_instead_of_a_link
#
benwerd goes to read
#
tantek benwerd, here's me complaining about Twitter starting to autolink URLs without "http://" http://tantek.com/2011/284/t8/disliking-twitter-wrapping-urls-w-o-http (so that's likely within days of when the implemented it, if not on the day)
#
tantek https://twitter.com/t/status/123862277777661952
#
@t disliking @Twitter t.co wrapping URLs w/o http. I was deliberately using unlinked (ttk.me) paren-permalink-ids. (http://tantek.com/2011/284/t8/disliking-twitter-wrapping-urls-w-o-http)
#
tantek and more: http://tantek.com/2011/284/t10/twitter-wrap-problem-distracting-users-with-link
#
benwerd All really good points. Particularly: "The whole point of POSSE is that you still care about your friends on Twitter (or other silos) reading you, so you should care about their UX also."
#
tantek yeah that's key design principle at the heart
#
tantek more on Twitter's shift to autolinking back then: https://twitter.com/t/status/130396243141722112
#
@t Still annoyed by Twitter's http-less auto-linking. Back to the citation drawing board. Ceci n'est pas une lien → (http://tantek.com/2011/302/t3/annoyed-twitter-http-less-auto-linking-citation)
#
tantek and how I came up with the solution (and tested it) https://twitter.com/t/status/130566099858231297
#
@t Chicago Manual of Style in-text parenthesizes source [space] date. Let's try ccTLD [space] t-NewBase60-epoch-days → (ttk.me t4Ec1)
#
tantek and concluding on the design: https://twitter.com/t/status/130570474261458944
#
@t It's settled: @falcon perma-short-link in-text cite design: (ccTLD [space] t-NewBase60-epoch-days-nth-post). #indieweb (ttk.me t4Ec3)
#
benwerd ok, so I haven't implemented your date format, but I'm about to try a variation on your citation style. (For me it's a quick flip from $post->getShortURL() to $post->getCitation().)
#
tantek (I was able to find all those using 1) site search, 2) the prev/next nav arrows on my notes - to quickly flip forward in time and see my follow-up thinking)
#
tantek Twitter is *really* missing out by not having prev/next nav on tweet permalinks.
#
tantek I find it *incredibly* useful
#
tantek benwerd - my date format isn't necessary for the citation style
#
tantek the key is
#
tantek (werd.io restofpathhere)
#
barnabywalters does the open paren prevent the short domain from being auto-linked?
#
tantek ccTLD without scheme does not get autolinked - that's the trick I'm using
#
tantek the parens are based on CMOS convention (as noted above)
#
tantek benwerd, so for example here: https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/398754435674812416
#
@benwerd Anonymous discusses the issue of their iconic masks being a movie tie-in. http://pastebin.com/sK6Zi3EM http://werd.io/2013/anonymous-discusses-the-issue-of-their-iconic-masks-being-a-movie-tie-in-sk6zi3em
#
tantek heh, the expansion makes it hard to show your permashortlink
#
tantek so this: werd.io/s/25jWa
#
tantek becomes this (werd.io s/25jWa)
#
tantek that's the simplest way to do it
#
tantek (and I picked that tweet in particular since all the note content fit)
#
benwerd https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/398856667242053634
#
@benwerd Grinding coffee in the morning, brewing it in the cafetiere, while light streaks into the kitchen. (werd.io s/3Nb4L)
#
benwerd oh, thanks loqi
#
Loqi you're welcome
bnvk joined the channel
#
benwerd missing piece is to reference that on the post body, and ...
#
tantek right - that's why I have my permashortcitations explicitly mentioned briefly on my notes
#
tantek (I put it right after the datetime published, as it seemed most contextually similar/relevant to that)
#
tantek e.g. http://tantek.com/2013/311/t1/huffpo-singles-marriage-advice-dissects-post
#
tommorris I kinda knew that article must be bullshit. the guy was quoting that Josh Weed guy
#
tommorris hipster gen-x mormons trying to pretend that wearing trainers means that homophobia is okay
#
benwerd tantek: just did the same
#
tantek nice
#
tantek the more we find conventions like these, both on our own sites, and on POSSEd content, the more we give people who live on silos clues about the indieweb, its existence, and maybe inspire curiosity at least.
#
@t @benwerd congratulations on launching permashortcitation support in idno / werd.io! #indieweb #POSSE (ttk.me t4Sx1) (twitter.com/_/status/398859433125896192)
#
tantek cool. reply threaded on both werd.io and twitter. :) now to make it fewer steps to do so.
#
@benwerd What the heck are the references at the end of my posts? #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/what-the-heck-are-the-references-at-the-end-of-my-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/398860643941359616)
#
Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/what-the-heck-are-the-references-at-the-end-of-my-posts-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
#
Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/what-the-heck-are-the-references-at-the-end-of-my-posts-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
#
Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/what-the-heck-are-the-references-at-the-end-of-my-posts-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Projects (pingback)
#
tantek good post benwerd
#
benwerd danke
#
tantek this phrase sounds a bit confusing: "other peoples'"
#
barnabywalters wonders if the “add a slash” step could be made unnecessary
#
tantek perhaps s/other peoples'/others' silos/
#
barnabywalters how about setting up a route at %20[.+]
#
Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/what-the-heck-are-the-references-at-the-end-of-my-posts-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
#
Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/what-the-heck-are-the-references-at-the-end-of-my-posts-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
#
Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/what-the-heck-are-the-references-at-the-end-of-my-posts-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Projects (pingback)
#
Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/what-the-heck-are-the-references-at-the-end-of-my-posts-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
#
Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/what-the-heck-are-the-references-at-the-end-of-my-posts-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
#
Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/what-the-heck-are-the-references-at-the-end-of-my-posts-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Projects (pingback)
#
benwerd mmm, repings. Nice.
#
barnabywalters then people could just paste the whole short citation into the address bar and go straight to the site
#
benwerd I'll stop editing it now.
#
tantek :)
#
tommorris omgspam. ;)
#
tantek barnabywalters that used to work *as is* with my permashortcitations because Google *was* indexing them in realtime due to my PuSH support
#
benwerd barnabywalters: nice nice nice idea
#
tantek at some point they stopped
#
tantek which is sad
#
barnabywalters tantek: aw that’s a shame :(
#
benwerd (so the other update I worked on was PuSH support, finally. But it sounds like that ship has sailed a bit.)
snarfed joined the channel
#
barnabywalters PuSH is one of those things which probably *will* be extremely useful for lots of things, just not right now
#
tantek barnabywalters - that's been said of many things in the past
#
barnabywalters e.g. I’m at the point where I actually need to build a PuSH subscriber
#
barnabywalters it’s taken ages to get there but it’s happening now
#
benwerd https://twitter.com/philip_roberts/status/398862129761386496
#
@philip_roberts @benwerd so what's the point in adding the reference at all?
#
tantek barnabywalters presumably PuSH helps us scale distributing notifications more than webmention
#
tantek I'm hoping so anyway
#
tantek benwerd - it's right there on the URL I gave you before
#
benwerd :)
#
tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#Why_permashortcitation_instead_of_a_link
#
tantek (sorry, "the URL" - I know, I gave a lot of them today ;) )
#
barnabywalters so with indie pipes I’m finding very quickly that the feedback loops have to be *tiny* in order for it to be useful
#
tantek "… use permashortcitations so that your original posts are still automatically discoverable using the original-post-discovery algorithm"
#
tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/original-post-discovery
#
barnabywalters but I want it to be runnable using PHP so I don’t have to learn go or node.js yet, amongst other things
#
aaronpk tantek: another thing to consider re: autolinking, now that our own indieweb sites are getting to be more functional than twitter.com, I might want to actually encourage visitors on twitter to click through to my site because they'll get a richer experience
#
tantek aaronpk - it needs to be a *considerably* richer experience for the user to not get annoyed
#
barnabywalters hence the need for a cache, so I can be repeat-reading URLs off memory or disk most of the time
#
tantek so far the only case of that we have is "additional content in the post"
#
barnabywalters but they also need to be kept up to date, so another service subscribes to changes to them and updates the cached copy on update
#
tantek I haven't seen anyone's indieweb note permalinks provide a "considerably richer" experience than Twitter (e.g. my prev/next nav arrows are richer, but not *considerably* than Twitter)
#
aaronpk sure, but I think that's coming soon
#
tantek it's more important for the indieweb experience to *not* annoy our friends, than it is to "market the hell out of it with more links"
#
aaronpk I still stand by my experience of using the short citation, where I immediately got people pointing out the "missing slash" in my links
#
tantek we need to continuously make a good impression on non-indieweb readers (silo readers) so they learn to admire, respect, and actually *want* to do that for themselves.
#
tantek aaronpk - the "missing slash" pointing out is far less annoyance to them than the "why are you linking to a duplicate?!?!?"
#
aaronpk disagreed
#
tantek aaronpk - your data point is valid, just far less annoying to those users than clicking through and seeing nothing more
#
tantek we can compare reply tweets if you like
#
tantek (I've gotten an occasional missing slash @-reply myself, but they seem a little confused rather than annoyed)
#
tantek confused is better than annoyed
bnvk joined the channel
#
tantek (tag: debate permashortcitations vs permashortlinks)
#
tantek (for future search discovery)
benprew joined the channel
#
tantek.com edited /Twitter (+7) "/* POSSE entire note to twitter */ linky" (view diff)
LauraJ and npdoty joined the channel
#
snarfed.org edited /Instagram (+146) "add export section" (view diff)
#
snarfed.org edited /Google+ (+157) "add export section" (view diff)
ryana joined the channel
#
snarfed.org edited /Sites_with_data_portability (+318) "add export section" (view diff)
paulcp joined the channel
#
snarfed.org edited /Sites_with_data_portability (-276) "remove old twitter section" (view diff)
paulcp_ joined the channel
#
barnabywalters snarfed: you’ve seen http://indiewebcamp.com/export, right?
#
snarfed no, thanks!
#
snarfed looking now
#
snarfed.org edited /export (+271) "mention my facebook import" (view diff)
#
benwerd Ooh. That's handy. So one thing I've been asked for is idno export (I know, I know, if I was using text files I wouldn't even need one). Thinking about the UI / UX and formats for that, and leaning towards chrome-less mf2 HTML.
#
barnabywalters benwerd: chrome-less meaning no css?
#
barnabywalters or just no js?
#
benwerd no html that isn't specifically required for marking up the content. so no CSS + no JS + no unnecessary HTML.
#
benwerd (and maybe CSS.)
#
barnabywalters idno is really well marked up, for the moment you can just tell people who want export to wget -r their sites ;)
#
benwerd (because exporting to a static site is a sort of neat idea.)
#
barnabywalters or is there a bunch of data which doesn’t get exposed in the public HTML?
#
benwerd Ha ;) I could just create a user-friendly version of that. And thanks ;)
#
benwerd Not yet, no
#
barnabywalters I think having some, minimal css in exports is a good idea —just enough to make them browsable and moderately attractive in a browser
#
tantek agreed
#
tantek heck it helps when browsing my data files just for debugging purposes
#
snarfed.org edited /export (+453) "add freedom.io" (view diff)
#
barnabywalters one thing I’m considering for indie pipe output endpoints is minimal HTML with one CSS and JS file link, which lays a basic UI over it
#
barnabywalters so machines get the smallest, easiest to parse version, but humans get extra styling, help, context
#
snarfed nice
#
snarfed i like it
#
snarfed similar to the original xslt / xml idea
#
tantek.com created /permashortcitation (+8135) "about time I started a "stub" on this topic, copied lots from IRC and other pages" (view diff)
#
tantek.com created /permashortcitations (+32) "r" (view diff)
#
tantek.com edited /permalinks (+45) "see also" (view diff)
#
tantek whew - ok, done with that braindump.
paulcp joined the channel
#
tantek thanks benwerd - your permashortcitation implementation inspired me to finally write this up: http://indiewebcamp.com/permashortcitation
#
tantek I forget - is anyone else implementing permashortcitations (yet) ?
#
tantek barnabywalters - it looks like (from your recent tweets at least) that you're implementing permashortlinks
#
tantek was this a POSSE error? https://twitter.com/BarnabyWalters/status/398552328632279040
#
@BarnabyWalters (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4SwLn_/)
#
snarfed seems like permashortlinks are more common right now at least
#
barnabywalters er yep, that still happens sometimes :/
#
tantek snarfed - that's because they're less work to just do always
#
barnabywalters I forgot to fix that one
#
tantek rather than conditionally do permashortcitations
#
snarfed not necessarily just less work. most of my posts are much longer, so the e.g. twitter copy isn't basically a duplicate, people who want the content actually do click through
#
snarfed (which i expect)
#
snarfed but i don't mean to rehash the debate
#
snarfed in any case, i'm following all the alternatives closely since i'm implementing webmention translation into and out of silos right now
paulcp joined the channel
#
snarfed i'm not religious, they're all straightforward so i'll happily implement them all
#
tantek snarfed - yeah all of us include clickable links when there is more content, no debate there.
#
snarfed cool
#
barnabywalters aaronpk did implement them for a while
#
tantek it's only when there is no new content that there is debate
#
tantek no additional content that is
#
snarfed got it
benprew joined the channel
#
snarfed so sad that we have to figure this out since we can't put markup into silo posts
#
snarfed but c'est la vie
#
tantek the whole point is to provide a nicer / less distracting experience for your friends that read you on silos (via your POSSE'd posts)
#
tantek snarfed - indeed, I gave up on trying to get the silos to change in these ways - about 2-3 years ago.
#
snarfed fighting the good fight counts, even if you don't always win
#
tantek it was clear from the outcomes of the various Social Web Foo, Social Graph Foo, Open Web Foo camps that the silos really didn't care enough to change. (2008-2010) http://indiewebcamp.com/timeline#2008
#
snarfed whee
#
tantek so that's why I started down the path of designing for "in content" communication of such "meta data"
#
tantek yeah - there's plenty of history and experience here that have informed current designs and decisions
#
tantek ok out for a quick run. ttyl.
#
snarfed agreed re the in-silo UX. my motivation for working on silo stuff is that most of my friends aren't part of the tech community too much, and don't care about indieweb etc
#
snarfed so i have to meet them where they are, in the silos and UXes they expect
#
snarfed ttyl
#
tobilehman.com edited /OpenID (+68) "/* Consuming Sites */ add No Starch Press to OpenID consumers" (view diff)
ozten, habitmelon and paulcp joined the channel
#
habitmelon just ordered 'Ruby under a Microscope' from No Starch Press and was pleased to discover they support OpenID
#
snarfed woot!
#
Loqi does a happy dance!
paulcp, thatryana, KevinMarks, andreypopp, npdoty, LauraJ, bnvk, squeakytoy, josephboyle, tantek and ryana joined the channel
#
tantek snarfed - well said (re: motivation for working on silo stuff)
#
tantek A lot of these Disney (as in Walt) quotes apply to indieweb: http://www.viralnova.com/walt-disney-quotes/ (apologies for the domain)
#
Jeena why is there no search form in the wiki header?
#
tantek Jeena - heh - I'm of the same (implied) opinion (There should be a search form in the wiki header)
#
tantek ping aaronpk about it. E.g. ^^^ ;)
#
Jeena I will :D
#
Jeena aaronpk! we need your help!
#
Jeena but he is away now
aaronpk|m joined the channel
#
aaronpk|m You rang?
#
Jeena aah, it would be cool if the wiki had a search field in the header
#
aaronpk|m I'm in SF today, currently trying to get off the rental car lot
#
tantek and anyone else who thinks content-focused websites should have a search form/box in the top right corner per web UI conventions ;)
#
aaronpk|m Ah yeah probably
#
Jeena do we have a bugtracker or something?
#
aaronpk|m Tantek made a /wiki/ page I think
#
aaronpk|m I prefer github issues for that sort of thing tho
#
Jeena ok I will add it there so it doesn't get lost (at least that easy as it would here)
#
Jeena ok, I will try to find it then ;)
#
Jeena hm there seems not to be a repo for this kind of issues
#
tantek.com edited /wiki/ (+332) "add subheads, searchbox suggestion" (view diff)
#
tantek Jeena - feel free to edit / add to: http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/#Search_box_in_header
#
aaronpk|m Yeah I want to make one for it. It's annoying for me to keep track of requests in wiki pages
#
Jeena ok thanks tantek
#
tantek it's easier to edit a page on the wiki for the wiki than to add an issue than try to find an issues forum on an unrelated site
#
Jeena I't not quite sure I agree, especially because (even if it is a silo for issues) github is the defacto standard for bugtracking
#
Jeena you get emails on updates of the bugs, you can comment, assign someone to a bug, set labels, etc.
#
Jeena a wiki page is kind of unstructured data
#
tantek I really don't want more emails
#
aaronpk|m I really disagree about using wiki for issue tracking. Really hard to get notifications and see followup
#
tantek the other comments I agree with (you can comment, assign someone to a bug, set labels, etc.)
#
Jeena how many emails per day are you getting?
benwerd joined the channel
#
aaronpk|m Also the wiki page doesn't give you perma links for individual items
#
Jeena (not counting mailinglists)
#
aaronpk|m You don't have to get email notifications from github if you don't want
#
aaronpk|m I get most github notification through irc for example
#
tantek ooh - that's awesome
#
aaronpk|m Jeena: https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues
#
tantek would be great to see a brief how-to or a link on that: http://indiewebcamp.com/GitHub
#
Jeena I will copy it there then as the first issue :D
#
aaronpk|m I should also add the theme to that repo so people can send pull requests to add the searh bar for example :)
#
Jeena that would be cool
#
Jeena https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/1
#
tantek.com edited /wiki/ (+180) "note github issues is preferred for wiki suggestions, link to specific github issues URL" (view diff)
#
tantek aaronpk - as you prefer - noted in the wiki now. with link you provided.
#
tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/#Suggestions
#
aaronpk|m thx
#
tantek.com edited /wiki/ (-212) "/* Search box in header */ moved to gh issues" (view diff)
#
tantek thanks Jeena
jschweinsberg joined the channel
#
aaronpk|m Feel free to move other stuff from that page to gh issues
#
aaronpk|m :)
#
Jeena I'll move "Better mobile editing support" now too
tantek, andreypopp, aaronpk|m, HereticLocke, LauraJ, benprew, _6a68, KevinMarks2, snarfed1, benwerd, bnvk, b0bg0d and netweb joined the channel
#
@bethelightwrite #NaNoWriMo has got me #writing like crazy! Loving this new story, I might even finish in time this year! #indieauth #newnovel (twitter.com/_/status/398962009472892928)