#indiewebcamp 2013-11-17

2013-11-17 UTC
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KevinMarks2 I think we need to work on whitelists. XFN rel friend may be the way
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XgF Whitelists don't scale
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KevinMarks2 This is indie web, not Facebook
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KevinMarks2 http://epeus.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-antifragility-of-web.html
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Loqi tantek: snarfed left you a message 6 hours, 35 minutes ago: yeah, i sent a manual webmention, and yeah, i nudged the site. shouldn't have been all the way down, but meh. thanks for checking!
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aaronpk just encountered the first case when I want to schedule a future post. mostly it's because I want to wait to tweet this until more people are awake and looking at twitter so it has a better chance of being seen.
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jihaisse hello
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jihaisse A fork of Social plugin for Wordpress with my indieweb changes : https://github.com/jihaisse/social
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@jackappleby POSSE: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE "..lets your friends keep using whatever silo aggregator (Facebook, Twitter) they've been using" Ha, nice. (twitter.com/_/status/402133895086223362)
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barnabywalters anyone know of good ways to find how much an HTML document has changed from one version to the next?
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hadleybeeman Barnabywalters: you can try http://services.w3.org/htmldiff
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barnabywalters thanks hadleybeeman! looking…
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barnabywalters aw, no code :( looks like a useful service though
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hadleybeeman That's a shame. Sorry. I wasn't sure (from my mobile( if it was the one I've used in the past… but never mind. Good luck with it, whatever you're up to!
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barnabywalters no problem :) building an an HTML archiver, want to be able to use superfeedr’s HTML page change notifications, but they trigger whenever there’s a change, however small. so to prevent storing hundreds of copies, I need to be able to determine roughly how much the document has changed
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barnabywalters looks like https://packagist.org/packages/icap/html-diff might be of use
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@brianloveswords It's still super alpha quality, but I'm finally POSSE'ing my twitter posts: https://github.com/brianloveswords/posse-twitter #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/402156846016106496)
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barnabywalters brianloveswords: congrats on writing POSSE code — where are the tweets being published? I can’t see any on bjb.io
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brianloveswords barnabywalters: http://new.bjb.io
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brianloveswords barnabywalters: wait, new.bjb.io:3000
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brianloveswords barnabywalters: (dev.bjb.io if you wanna see some garbage test posts :P)
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@miketaylr RT @brianloveswords: It's still super alpha quality, but I'm finally POSSE'ing my twitter posts: https://github.com/brianloveswords/posse-twitter #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/402157569336016896)
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barnabywalters brianloveswords: nice! but it’s not true posse until you’re publishing on your primary identity ;) great start though
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brianloveswords barnabywalters: haha, yeah, the problem is there's no credentialing system right now so you can totally go and post on my behalf if you find the 'new status' page.
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Loqi hehe
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barnabywalters ah, I see :) indieauth is super easy to set up
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brianloveswords barnabywalters: yep, that's the plan!
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brianloveswords I just wanted to get the status/twitter stuff working first.
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barnabywalters I think my auth code is about 50 lines of PHP, including session encryption and storing
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barnabywalters brianloveswords: nothing wrong with that :)
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brianloveswords I'm gonna try to get auth done tonight and then switch it over.
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barnabywalters awesome!
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@denkyemx RT @brianloveswords: It's still super alpha quality, but I'm finally POSSE'ing my twitter posts: https://github.com/brianloveswords/posse-twitter #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/402166849385033728)
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barnabywalters brianloveswords: btw, mobile in-reply-to can be awkward but bearable
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barnabywalters e.g. I use tweetbot to copy the URL of a tweet, then have a New Note bookmark on my homescreen, which I open and paste the URL into
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tantek brianloveswords - congrats on getting some functional POSSE going!
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tantek aaronpk, good to hear you've found a use for future posts as well. Has it reached itch-level? http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k#Itching
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tantek also we don't seem to have a page about future posts, if there's at least a couple of us that are interested / have implementations, it might be worth capturing thoughts / support.
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barnabywalters tantek: http://indiewebcamp.com/scheduling
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tantek thanks barnaby :)
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barnabywalters np :)
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tantek one question I'm wrestling with is how automatic the POSSEing should be
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tantek so when it comes time to *show* a future post, should my site then also auto-POSSE it immediately? or maybe delay a bit? (30sec - 5min)
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tantek Currently I still have to manually click a button to say "Post" to PuSH and POSSE even future posts.
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tantek But I'm consider having the server do it automatically, so it could e.g. POSSE out when I'm on a plane or otherwise offline.
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tantek.com edited /scheduling (+481) "added note about Falcon implementation and deployment, brainstorming" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /future (+24) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /future-posts (+24) "r" (view diff)
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barnabywalters tantek: to make post scheduling at least as useful as the silo equivalent it would have to be automatic
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barnabywalters i.e. buffer tweets automatically
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tantek barnabywalters - "silo equivalent" and "buffer tweets"? Twitter doesn't do scheduled posts - does it? (are there Twitter clients that do scheduled posts?)
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barnabywalters oh, by buffer I meant Buffer
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barnabywalters which we don’t seem to have a wiki page about, weirdly
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tantek does Buffer have its own permalinks? Is it more than just a posting tool for other silos?
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barnabywalters not sure if it has it’s own permalinks, probably more of a tool
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tantek still worth wikifying
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barnabywalters indeed, doing
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waterpigs.co.uk created /Buffer (+111) "Tiny buffer stub" (view diff)
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tantek SF bay area indieweb folks save the datetime 2013-11-20 18:30-19:30. benwerd and I are planning something. details to follow.
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bnvk barnabywalters: I wonder if you could get Buffer to implement a trigger for IndieWeb comment posting
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barnabywalters bnvk: what would it do?
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bnvk "Post reply 'Blah blah blah' to http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/sd213ss at 4:30 PM PST tomorrow"
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barnabywalters why do you want to do scheduled replies? seems like an odd thing to want to do :)
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aaronpk re: scheduled posts, yes I specifically wanted it to POSSE to twitter automatically. I actually don't mind that the blog post went out at 2am PST, but I waited intil just now to post the tweet
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bnvk Rly? I often want to delay communications
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barnabywalters if I’m writing a reply to someone I generally want them to see it as soon as they’re ready for it
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barnabywalters so, send immediately and they’ll see it when they’re ready for it, i.e. turn on device and get a notification
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barnabywalters delaying sending a reply seems like I’m presuming to know the recipient‘s schedule better than them
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barnabywalters unless there’s some convoluted scenario where I want a comment to be a surprise
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Loqi gives barnabywalters a comment to be a surprise
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barnabywalters cheers Loqi
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barnabywalters I’ll put it to good use
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bnvk here's a case- I meet you at a cafe, you say "Hey, we should get together and drink water sometime, but flying home to England tomorrow for 3 weeks, how about after I get back"
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bnvk I think "great" but now I have to remember to ping you in three 3 weeks
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barnabywalters ah, so that’s more of a reminder than a reply in my mind
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bnvk So, normally in that case I add to my calendar- which then reminds me to then send a message in 3 weeks- which is 2 actions on my part
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bnvk yah, sure
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bnvk but in an IndieWeb world- you might have just posted from your domain "Excited to get together to with @brennannovak after I get back from England" to which I would be replying
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barnabywalters also not sure I’d want to schedule the post, then have something change, and have to unschedule the post again
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barnabywalters this is probably better solved by creating a better reminder setting UI
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bnvk the goal is to be social and connecting, and only require 1 user action on my part
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barnabywalters something about the idea of month-old messages popping up exactly like live-written ones creeps me out!
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bnvk fair
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barnabywalters like it’s a ghost from the near-past
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bnvk THIS IS THE FUTURE
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aaronpk barnabywalters: speaking of the future, for once I am ahead of you in time!
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aaronpk currently in +0400
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barnabywalters aaronpk: cool! what are you up to?
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barnabywalters and where?
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aaronpk in dubai for a couple days for an esri conference
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barnabywalters ooh, nice
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barnabywalters reads http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/11/17/1/airplane-time-stretch-time-while-flying
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barnabywalters aaronpk: buffer has an API, so maybe you could just POSSE via buffer when doing scheduled posts instead of twitter http://bufferapp.com/developers/api/updates
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aaronpk huh, might look at that
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aaronpk or maybe not, I already have a good queuing system in place, wouldn't be hard to use that somehow
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barnabywalters unless it’d be easier to make a little cron script
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barnabywalters probably easier than interfacing + keeping up to date with another snowflake API
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hadleybeeman Barnabywalters: Sounds like fun (re your HTML archiver). You could always ask @dontcallmedom directly for that code, if you're interested in hacking on it?
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