#indiewebcamp 2013-12-22

2013-12-22 UTC
snarfed, squeakytoy, skinny, paulcp, CheckDavid, tantek, melvster, krendil, squeakytoy2, KevinMarks, bnvk, tpinto, Phae_, pfenwick, netweb, eschnou, andreypopp, KartikPrabhu, dvirsky, Acidnerd, LauraJ and jschweinsberg joined the channel
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@aral @absalomedia Check out http://aralbalkan.com/notes/indie-data/ & work of the IndieWebCamp folks :) (twitter.com/_/status/414759451233894400)
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@DomitilleR Twelcome @fdevillamil #blogger, #devops, #indieweb, #photography, #RTFM, #ruby, #sarcasm, #startup, #tennis, #ux @botify / @getpublify (twitter.com/_/status/414764216755556352)
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julian` i hate rails
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julian` :(
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pdurbin julian`: why?
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julian` following this lynda.com tutorial on installing it and its just such a pain
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julian` keep coming to problems just setting it up
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jonnybarnes Hey all
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jonnybarnes Colloquy on iPhone seems pretty decent so far. Does anyone recommend any other iOS irc clients?
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ryana jonnybarnes: limechat is my favorite
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ryana though not free
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jonnybarnes ryana: I'll give that a try thanks
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snarfed so twitter's api returns a tweet id in two fields: id is an integer, id_str is a string
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snarfed ok
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snarfed except occasionally, they're *different*
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snarfed one will be right, one will be wrong, and it's a surprise which one
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snarfed wtf twitter?!?
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tantek snarfed always trust the strings.
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tantek integer is an old field before their tweet id's exceeded 32bit or 64bit whatever it was.
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snarfed yeah, evidently. surprised me because i wasn't working in an environment that would overflow integers
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snarfed it handles >64 bit fine
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snarfed but no matter. id_str it is!
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Loqi [mention] http://www.brid.gy/repost/twitter/aaronpk/409123216083271680/409132472425664512 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/icon (webmention)
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snarfed love it. bridgy saw a retweet of http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/11/20/2/cat-dot-photography and is trying to discover whether cat.photography supports webmentions
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snarfed computers are endlessly entertaining
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snarfed aaronpk: thanks for the QA :P
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@smc90 @fchimero I thought this was really interesting. But on the 'consumer' side, it's oft frustrating/off-UI to get some isolated indieweb links (twitter.com/_/status/414832406978252800)
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/fchimero/status/414532814663462913
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Loqi aaronpk: snarfed left you a message 4 days, 12 hours ago: webmention.io feature request: allow some safe html in comment content, e.g. links. right now it strips all tags. :/ …i guess i should file it in github. off to do that now!
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@fchimero ✎ Homesteading 2014: http://frankchimero.com/blog/2013/12/homesteading-2014/
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aaronpk snarfed: yeah good call
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aaronpk removing all tags was the easy way out
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aaronpk !tell snarfed omg I just started getting "retweeted this" mentions of my tweets
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aaronpk !tell snarfed I think there's too many URLs marked as "repost-of". I think the retweet is only a repost of the original URL. see: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.brid.gy%2Frepost%2Ftwitter%2Faaronpk%2F403244403134717952%2F403256819667054592
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk also, I just fixed the confirmations on !tell
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Loqi snarfed: aaronpk left you a message 34 minutes ago: omg I just started getting "retweeted this" mentions of my tweets
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Loqi snarfed: aaronpk left you a message 31 minutes ago: I think there's too many URLs marked as "repost-of". I think the retweet is only a repost of the original URL. see: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.brid.gy%2Frepost%2Ftwitter%2Faaronpk%2F403244403134717952%2F403256819667054592
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snarfed aaronpk: yup! hope you don't mind
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aaronpk I don't mind at all! forces me to present those better
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snarfed aaronpk: yeah, it's debatable. it seems like an RT of a POSSEd tweet is a repost of both the original tweet and the original post, right?
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aaronpk oh I see what you mean
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snarfed but still, you're right, i probably went overboard :P
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snarfed meh. ideally i'd drop the t.co links, but otherwise i think all of those repost urls may be fair game
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aaronpk snarfed: your in-reply-to seems to have disappeared itself http://snarfed.org/2013-10-02_comment-time-vs-money
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snarfed looking
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snarfed hmm. i see in-reply-tos: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://snarfed.org/2013-10-02_comment-time-vs-money
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snarfed maybe they're not in the right place?
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aaronpk oh! they are in the rel section?
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snarfed i see one there and one in a child h-entry
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snarfed yeah, neither place is ideal
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aaronpk oh I see... why is your post a child h-entry?
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aaronpk your post is the h-entry, no need for it to be a child
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snarfed agreed!
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snarfed may be more mf1 (e.g. 'hentry') causing problems for the mf2 parser
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aaronpk ah
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snarfed (i didn't write the code that generates my site's markup, so i'm not always the fastest to debug it)
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snarfed just found a bug in my little unit test helper lib. one fn is supposed to compare lists, but if one list is a prefix of the other, it silently reports that they're equal.
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@sandeepshetty RT @benwerd: The blog might be dying, but the web's about to fight back #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/the-blog-might-be-dying-but-the-webs-about-to (twitter.com/_/status/414872165456953344)
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snarfed the bugs been there for years. suddenly i'm scared for the correctness of all open source code i've ever written that uses that lib for tests. :(
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snarfed sigh
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aaronpk snarfed: thanks! Now i'm showing proper "repost" counts! http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/11/28/1/github-repo-collections
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snarfed awesome! i'm jealous, your display is already better than mine. i only show individual RTs and likes, but i should eventually show counts like that too
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aaronpk well now I need to update the list view cause the reposts really shouldn't look like full comments
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aaronpk I want to do it twitter-style where it's just the profile icon of everyone who has re-posted
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snarfed agreed!
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snarfed looking fwd to seeing your results
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aaronpk well cool, that was an unexpected improvement
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snarfed :P glad to hear it
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snarfed i could get twitter favorites from the REST API and send those too - i'm already sending FB likes - but twitter only exposes individual favorites in their streaming API
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snarfed disappointing
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snarfed s/i could/i wish i could/
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aaronpk oh yeah I saw that
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snarfed ah well
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snarfed maybe eventually
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aaronpk so you can't find out who has favorited without using the streaming API?
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aaronpk I suppose you could parse the HTML of a tweet's page too
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snarfed yeah, that's what tantek suggested too
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snarfed i'm not quite that desperate yet, but maybe
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aaronpk although using the streaming API would be cool cause things would come in in realtime that way
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snarfed we'll see whether that or the streaming API wins out
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snarfed true!
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aaronpk lol "Sending to: aaron.pk/n4T92 cat.photography"
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snarfed even better, i don't yet handle DNS failures well, so it's still retring cat.photography, once an hr :P
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aaronpk hahaha oh no
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Loqi rofl
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snarfed eventually someone will buy it, put up a site, start accepting webmentions, and it'll go through
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snarfed SOON
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aaronpk i think it's amusing when I send webmentions to myself
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snarfed hah yes
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snarfed easiest way to test though!
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snarfed i post comments on my own old old posts more than i care to admit
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aaronpk snarfed: looks like your webmention endpoint rejected this: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/12/22/1/webmention-p3k
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snarfed thanks, i'll take a look
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snarfed looks like because the link isn't marked as u-in-reply-to? (or u-like or u-repost)
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aaronpk ah
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snarfed i think i only accept if there's one of those
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aaronpk that is true, it is none of those
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aaronpk however it is a link
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aaronpk i mean you don't have to accept it if you don't want to, but I would if I were you :P
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snarfed true! should i assume u-in-reply-to when there's no class?
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snarfed heh
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aaronpk no, it's not a reply at all
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aaronpk it's just an @-mention like on twitter
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snarfed right. ah, ok. yeah, i probably only correctly handle the reply, like, and repost cases
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snarfed not generic mentions
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snarfed adding to my todo list!
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aaronpk cool!
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@Malarkey If I could post updates to a @grabaperch blog and syndicate to Twitter in a POSSE style (http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE), that would be brilliant. (twitter.com/_/status/414879791729618946)
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@paulrobertlloyd @beep @armstrong @fchimero I suspect next year’s @indiewebcamp may be a little over subscribed. And that’s great news. (twitter.com/_/status/414882107383877632)
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aaronpk tantek: been making good progress on this oauth+indieauth things
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aaronpk turns out almost everything we need is already in place in oauth2
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aaronpk oh that and openid connect
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@dmnplb POSSE¹'s approach is quite interesting → http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE · via @shashashasha – ¹ Publish Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere #web #15m (twitter.com/_/status/414893294984757248)
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aaronpk although I think a lot of openid connect is overdesigned as well
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@hansup Confusing: how 'indie' can you be if Google is your event sponsor? http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/414895374575230976)
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aaronpk heh
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aaronparecki.com edited /indieauth-authorization-brainstorming (+69) (view diff)
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@chloeweil @paulrobertlloyd Maybe a db for comments http://getkirby.com/blog/database or even entertain webmentions? http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/414898202475651073)
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Loqi [mention] https://bear.im/bearlog/2013/325/indiewebify-and-the-new-site.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://bear.im/bearlog/2013/325/indiewebify-and-the-new-site.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://bear.im/bearlog/2013/325/indiewebify-and-the-new-site.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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bear oops - I need to setup a test area for my code and stop abusing tantek's posts
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aaronpk :)
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bear hmm, I bet I can create a test domain and then return pass/fail based on the target
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aaronpk if you want you can use webmention.io to receive webmentions for a domain (assuming you're testing sending webmentions)
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bear yes, testing the send part
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snarfed bear: also, re that post, i assume you've already found a solution, but just in case, check out https://github.com/bcomnes/webmention.js and http://voxpelli.com/2013/12/webmentions-for-static-pages/
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aaronpk bear: use "bear.im" as the username, and check out the setup instructions on webmention.io and the API here: https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io#api
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bear thanks aaronpk
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aaronpk you can create a test domain to send webmentions to, and use webmention.io to handle receiving them for you. even a local domain like test.dev that delegates to webmention.io should work
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bear snarfed - I decided to solve it by creating a small set of python helpers since I'm also working to merge my personal data tool with my now-static post for POSSE work
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snarfed sounds good!
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bear aaronpk - I may still create my own domain because one of the things I'm working on is a flask-based webhook tool for dealing with indieweb items
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bear something I can wire up small scripts to discrete events and trigger them via webhooks
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aaronpk cool
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bear but I will for sure look at that and see what is currently best practices to start from