#indiewebcamp 2013-12-24

2013-12-24 UTC
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KartikPrabhu is anyone using anything other than a time-stream ( reverse-chronology list ) to display their posts on the Web?
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icco KartikPrabhu, no, never thought about it. Not even sure what I'd do... Alphabetical? By rating (like IGN)? By Author?
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KartikPrabhu icco: I'm not sure either. But Kottke's claim that blog = stream got me thinking
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icco Yeah. Have you listened to his Design Matters interview? It's really good, talking about how he sees content publishing, etc.
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KartikPrabhu icco: no i haven't. Will look for it
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@indiewebcamp RT @t: Monday morning #indieweb reads: * http://werd.io/2013/the-blog-might-be-dying-but-the-webs-about-to * http://frankchimero.com/blog/2013/12/homesteading-2014/ * http://kartikprabhu.com/article/blogging-dead (ttk.me t4Th1) (twitter.com/_/status/415303606297165824)
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KartikPrabhu and old post by Luke Wroblewski on blog interfaces. Particularly interesting is the section on 'Continuums' and its possible relation to webmentions
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: I actualy used to have a wiki as my home page, super not chronological
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aaronpk had sections with featured articles and things
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KartikPrabhu sections by theme/category?
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aaronpk found it! http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/6184053790/
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KartikPrabhu interesting! you do have it sectioned by theme/category
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@jcookcc More of this please! "Homesteading 2014" - http://frankchimero.com/blog/2013/12/homesteading-2014/ @fchimero @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/415306131645284352)
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@benatkin RT @t: Monday morning #indieweb reads: * http://werd.io/2013/the-blog-might-be-dying-but-the-webs-about-to * http://frankchimero.com/blog/2013/12/homesteading-2014/ * http://kartikprabhu.com/article/blogging-dead (ttk.me t4Th1) (twitter.com/_/status/415318283391234049)
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tantek aaronpk I think the wiki slowness problem may have been an odd Firefox caching bug. Was having a problem loading one of the scripts.
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aaronpk ah weird
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tantek tried to track it down but it was inconsistent. :/
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tantek was comparing it to Safari
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tantek I would try Chrome except their OSX Keychain support is so broken that I can't launch it without hitting cancel 20 times.
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aaronpk whoa what?
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tantek because I have Twitter tabs open in Chrome, and Twitter tries to log itself in, or Chrome is trying to log me into Twitter, it asks once per Twitter account in keychain with a 100% modal dialog that blocks everything else. have to force quit Chrome. total piece of sh*t.
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aaronpk that's bizarre, i've never seen that
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tantek cancel means cancel. cancel doesn't mean try again with another account.
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aaronpk and I pretty much exclusively use chrome
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tantek happy to demo to you (or any Google person)
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aaronpk i believe you, i'm just wondering what on earth causes it and why mine is not in that state
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tantek do you keep your Twitter user/pass info in OSX Keychain?
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aaronpk well chrome has my twitter user/pass saved, so yes?
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tantek well you have multiple Twitter accounts yes? do you keep them all in Keychain?
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tantek next time you launch Chrome, try clicking Cancel when it asks to access your Keychain for twitter.
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aaronpk apparently only my @aaronpk account is saved. and it won't prompt me to save any other accounts
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tantek !tell tommorris - nicely done. 
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk logging in with safari prompted me to add another to the keychain
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aaronpk but chrome doesn't know about that apparently
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aaronpk come to think of it...
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aaronpk i have seen what you are talking about, but in safari!
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aaronpk and it's extremely irritating!
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tantek yeah - it's made me give up on Chrome.
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aaronpk I wonder why I only have that problem in Safari
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aaronpk (I was able to reproduce it just now in Safari btw)
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tantek maybe I should try deleting my Chrome and re-installing
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aaronpk poll: which would other people be most inclined to use. an app which 1) PESOS's your last.fm songs to your site. 2) a bookmarklet that creates a new bookmark as a post on your own site. 3) an app which PESOS's daily step counts from your Jawbone UP account
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aaronpk (and yes I realize it's not a good time of day for an IRC poll)
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tantek aaronpk - re (2) - are you using some sort of standard web action endpoint for bookmark posting?
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aaronpk it's a surprise :)
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tantek per http://indiewebcamp.com/Web_Action_URL_APIs
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aaronpk but no, not web actions
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tantek well I vote for (2) as that seems like it has the most prior art to build upon
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tantek and that way we can also compare the UI flow of what you're building to existing bookmarklets / web action URL endpoints.
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aaronpk perhaps I should rephrase. what is the content type you'd be most interested in adding to your site: 1) music, 2) bookmarks, 3) step counts
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tantek still, there's the passive vs. active distinction
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tantek I'd think more people would try the active option (2)
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tantek rather than setup something automatic to post to their site.
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tantek (speaking for myself too)
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aaronpk active/passive is a good distinction there
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aaronpk ok, will go with bookmarks for now
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tantek I just figure the UI problems/challenges are more "well known" so it should be easier to improve upon them.
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tantek plus (2) is not specific to any silo which is good too
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aaronpk true!
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Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 11 hours, 27 minutes ago: your "blogging's not dead" post needs an update, mentioning what *has* died in that post since that post, e.g. Google Reader sharing, Technorati State of the Blogosphere, etc. Perhaps even some of the sidebar links.
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters it looks like you are bookmarking things by tagging them "bookmark", is that a correct assumption? http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/?tagged=bookmark
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk whoa, my bookmarks site has mf1 markup on it... I never realized that
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KevinMarks fair point tantek
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KevinMarks was it xfolk, aaronpk ? http://microformats.org/wiki/xfolk
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aaronpk wow! no, not at all! just simple entry-title and entry-content classes
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aaronpk wow tommorris added his example to that page in 2007
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aaronparecki.com edited /bookmark (+283) "add waterpigs.co.uk example" (view diff)
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@snarfed_org https://www.brid.gy/ now copies likes, retweets, etc. to your site as well as comments. Merry #IndieWeb Christmas! http://snarfed.org/2013-12-23_bridgy-now-with-likes-and-retweets (twitter.com/_/status/415371781264781312)
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aaronpk !tell tantek Would <span class="h-cite"><a class="u-url p-name" href="http://example.com">example</a></span> be a valid minimum h-cite example? (would be used for a bookmark post)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk oh crap but then we're back at the problem of nested microformat objects in micropub http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#Nested_Microformat_Objects
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aaronpk hm, I need a good example of microformats2 markup for a bookmark. barnaby is just doing them as text notes, and my bookmarks don't have mf2 markup.
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aaronpk is a bookmark an h-entry with an embedded h-cite? that would let me add my own text when bookmarking something, like I currently do on aaron.pk/bookmarks
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aaronpk is a bookmark just an h-cite? maybe with some sort of annotation property that would let me add my own note about the citation?
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aaronpk anyway, food for thought. let me know what you think or if you have any other examples I can look at
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aaronpk upon further thought, I'm leaning towards treating a bookmark as a citation (h-cite) and leaving the "add my own note" use case for later, possibly just as creating a separate text post that shares one of my citations
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aaronpk that leaves the base case of the way most people think of bookmarks covered completely by h-cite
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: how about h-cite with a propert p-annotation?
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Jihaisse Hello
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 58 minutes ago: Would <span class="h-cite"><a class="u-url p-name" href="http://example.com">example</a></span> be a valid minimum h-cite example? (would be used for a bookmark post)
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tantek aaronpk, you could make it even more minimal: <a class="h-cite" href="http://example.com">example</a>
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tantek with implied u-url and p-name
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tantek aaronpk, you could make it even more minimal: <a class="h-cite" href="http://example.com">example</a>, with implied u-url and p-name
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tantek snarfed nicely done with likes and retweets in bridgy!
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@fdevillamil RT @kevinmarks: I was going to write a "blogging's not dead" post, then I remembered I already did http://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/11/bloggings-not-dead-its-becoming-like.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/415413296586846208)
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@Halley RT @kevinmarks: I was going to write a "blogging's not dead" post, then I remembered I already did http://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/11/bloggings-not-dead-its-becoming-like.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/415418446248435712)
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@xtof_fr @mmistakes Bjr michael. Still n00b on #jekyll ! Planning to search inspiration via #indieweb colleagues http://indiewebcamp.com/jekyll Cheers. (twitter.com/_/status/415430665484898304)
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@jordan_web Task for holiday investigate POSSE - Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere. http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/415535646456172544)
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@oldaily The blog might be dying, but the web&#39;s about to fight back #indieweb #oldaily http://www.downes.ca/post/61575 (twitter.com/_/status/415592121513422848)
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@oldaily The blog might be dying, but the web's about to fight back #indieweb: Display Ben Werdmuller, Benwerd, De... http://www.downes.ca/post/61575/rd?utm_source=downes.ca&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/415603396356239361)
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@GBDataStream The blog might be dying, but the web's about to fight back #indieweb http://www.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=61575 (twitter.com/_/status/415605168542318592)
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