#indiewebcamp 2015-06-28

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GWG snarfed: I think it would be a useful little plugin. Wondering if I should make it standalone or write it into my location plugin.
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snarfed https://wordpress.org/plugins/use-clients-time-zone/
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snarfed actually most of these look relevant: https://www.google.com/search?q=wordpress+location+timezone+per+post
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gRegorLove GWG: My notes interface allows me to specify a timezone, otherwise defaults to Central. I need to update it to default to the last-used TZ
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gRegorLove aaronpk: You mean your URLs are based on *your* local time (Pacific), or the users?
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GWG Are we talking about user level or post level timezones?
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GWG I was initially asking about post level.
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snarfed right
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aaronpk Yes, per post, the time and time zone is based on my actual location
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aaronpk Not always Pacific
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aaronpk I have a separate API that my Micropub endpoint queries to find the timezone to use for the specific post
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gRegorLove Oh, I was thinking of pagination, aaronpk. The before/after-timestamp
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ben_thatmustbeme huh tantek, your rainbow background isn't too bad on my site either
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: did you remember to deploy? I'm not seeing any change on ben.thatmustbe.me home page or permalinks
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ben_thatmustbeme i was testing in firebug first
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ben_thatmustbeme reload :)
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ben_thatmustbeme also, tantek, i'm pretty close to getting micropub -> twitter running via micropub chaining
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ben_thatmustbeme its going to be interesting to try to work out alternate content for syndicated copies
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme++ looks great!!!
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 83 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme ohh by birthyear in karma
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I didn't realize you were born in 83
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed
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ben_thatmustbeme why?
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, still need to figure out the best method for key exchange for micropub chaining
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ben_thatmustbeme i think by next week i should have it working
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ben_thatmustbeme might be able to knock it out tomorrow if i have time
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, also, the more karma i get, the younger i get?
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Is that how it works?
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@kevinmarks @alicemazzy that's what we're doing at http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/614981346021081088)
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@ChrisAldrich Upgraded http://stream.boffosocko.com to @WithKnown 0.7.8.5.1 https://withknown.com/opensource/ #indieweb #ownyourowndata (twitter.com/_/status/614984138207047680)
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG definitely works that way
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GWG Karma Points enhance longevity. Fun
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ben_thatmustbeme What are you up to Gwg?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you up to Gwg" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=you+up+to+Gwg&summary=prompted+by+ben_thatmustbeme+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-27%2Fline%2F1435461479960
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ben_thatmustbeme Ugh. Taking off chan anyway
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GWG MicroPub for WordPress isn't off channel.
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@tarr11 I want #indieweb, but html only. Should work 100% with static sites and all features should be markup only. (twitter.com/_/status/615002924716920833)
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@tarr11 This is also why I don't think webmentions are a perfect solution. I should not have to ping anything when I post it reply. (twitter.com/_/status/615003468172898304)
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@tarr11 servers like webmention.io and http://webmention.herokuapp.com should listen as intelligent assistants (filters, notifications, suggestions ) (twitter.com/_/status/615004393495105536)
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david.shanske.com edited /User:David.shanske.com (+33) "/* Itches */" (view diff)
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@charlesreid1 selfdogfood: the central principle behind http://charlesreid1.com https://indiewebcamp.com/Selfdogfood (twitter.com/_/status/615088448844660736)
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@dkreuz RT @tarr11: I want #indieweb, but html only. Should work 100% with static sites and all features should be markup only. (twitter.com/_/status/615121787047800832)
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@dkreuz @tarr11 I'm working on this, but don't hold your breath until I'm releasing something ;). Btw, for Webmentions a CGI script is needed. (twitter.com/_/status/615122605792735232)
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GWG !tell acegiak Thanks for the webmention. I haven't gotten one not from Bridgy in a while.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rhiaro Oh. Hey. Twitter tells you if someone has 'retweeted your retweet' rather than just telling the original tweeter. But if I want to repost a retweet myself I can't do that... I can repost the original, but the person via whom I saw it won't get notified.
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rhiaro If I want to do it via bridgy, that is
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rhiaro Because the retweet I'm reposting doesn't have its own URL
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rhiaro As far as I can tell, anyway
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rhiaro Has anyone discussed/documented this anywhere yet?
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GWG rhiaro: I think you just identified a salmention
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rhiaro hmmmm
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rhiaro good point
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rhiaro But specifically this is a problem with POSSEing reposts to Twitter right now
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GWG acegiak has been working on that lately.
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rhiaro I guess the issue is just that retweets don't have their own URL
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@sirmlivesey @chestertweet The next set to tie the web together is this, https://indiewebcamp.com/marginalia Webmetions tied into referencing. (twitter.com/_/status/615174378494496768)
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GWG Bridgy solves that by giving everything a Bridgy url, I believe
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snarfed rhiaro: retweets actually do have their own url on twitter.com
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@chestertweet RT @sirmlivesey: @chestertweet The next set to tie the web together is this, https://indiewebcamp.com/marginalia Webmetions tied into referencing. (twitter.com/_/status/615174599731453953)
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snarfed it's just not obvious because it redirects
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snarfed as examples, check out the "retweet" links under https://www.brid.gy/twitter/rhiaro#publishes
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rhiaro If I'm looking at someone's timeline and there's a retweet, how do I find the URL for the retweet?
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snarfed rhiaro: may not be easy
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rhiaro Oh okay, I thought maybe I was missing something
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snarfed you can get it from the api, or e.g. http://twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com/ , but ui-wise i'm not sure it's exposed
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rhiaro I know bridgy gives everything a url, but that doesn't help for something only retweeted on twitter
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snarfed interestingly, twitter gets this right on its own. if you favorite or retweet a retweet, it understands that and doesn't think you just faved/RTed the original tweet
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snarfed (you can tell when you get email notifs that someone faved RTed your RT)
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rhiaro yeah, I know twitter manages it internally
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snarfed in other news, PSA: activitystreams-unofficial has been renamed granary! if you have a fork, you'll want to update your git remote url. https://github.com/snarfed/granary
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rhiaro That's why I realised I was about to repost something but the person I saw retweet it wouldn't get notfied
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Loqi slack/tantek: Rhiaro, could you rephrase that as a "how do I ...?" question?
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rhiaro tantek: How do I repost a retweet and syndicate it back to twitter as a retweet of a retweet, rather than a retweet of an original?
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ben_thatmustbeme Good morning all
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Good morning, young man.
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 84 karma
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Loqi slack/tantek: Thank you rhiaro
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kylewm I'm going to try retweeting a retweet in Woodwind...
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+198) "update Why permashortcitation a bit" (view diff)
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@kylewmahan RT @tarr11: I want #indieweb, but html only. Should work 100% with static sites and all features should be markup only. (twitter.com/_/status/615185116214628352)
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+140) "/* POSSE Reposts of Tweets */ If you repost a retweet" (view diff)
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tantek__ rhiaro, https://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_Reposts_of_Tweets specifically: "If you repost a retweet, the proper POSSE behavior is to do a native retweet of that retweet permailnk (not the original tweet permalink). "
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tantek__ and sees the typo
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+0) "/* POSSE Reposts of Tweets */ t" (view diff)
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@rhiaro To explain ownership, @gloriakt suggests data use in divorce/legal proceedings. #ownyourdata #websci15 http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/06/explain-ownership (twitter.com/_/status/615185630335795200)
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tantek__ kylewm I don't understand that thread at all
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kylewm weird, that seemed to work^
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kylewm apparenty twitter gave me the "RT @tarr11" text as part of the tweet content, I did not do any processing to add that stuff
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tantek__ yeah I just saw that https://kylewm.com/2015/06/repost-of-detlef-kreuz-rt-tarr11-i-want-indieweb
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tantek__ it sounds like tarr11 does not want to have to have his site send webmentions maybe?
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tantek__ one "passive" solution to that is for the receiving server to synthesize incoming webmentions from HTTP referer headers
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tantek__ thus when a human clicks a link on a reply back to the original, the original sees the reply as a referer and sends itself a webmention accordingly, then handles it as it would handle any incoming webmention
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kylewm tantek__: no I don't understand it either, it was just the first RT I had handy in my reader
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tantek__ source=reply&target=original
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tantek__ kylwm the more interesting question is the oddness you pointed out
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tantek__ namely Twitter giving you the RT @tarr11 as part of the tweet content
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tantek__ should you really be showing that just as inline text? or is there a better display for showing that you reposted a retweet, rather than just reposted the original tweet?
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tantek__ I'll note that @dkreuz ("author" of the retweet) is not linked anywhere on your post, and original tweet author is not displayed/linked at all!
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tantek__ (which both seem like missing post context / info)
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kylewm well, dkreuz is linked at the top
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kylewm do you mean that his twitter handle is not linked?
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tantek__ kylewm - dkreuz's personal site is linked at the top - where you can't find the retweet that you're reposting
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tantek__ @dkreuz (where you *can* find the retweet that you're reposting) is not linked from your repost
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tantek__ see the usability problem?
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kylewm it's linked at the bottom, at u-repost-of
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kylewm with a retweet icon
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kylewm but yes I see the usability problem
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tantek__ that's even stranger. a repost icon down there after the post usually means a repost *button* (i.e. a webaction) that if you click, will repost YOUR repost
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+226) "/* POSSE Reposts of Tweets */ add kylewm example repost of a retweet" (view diff)
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kylewm hmm, not sure i agree, it means approximately the same thing that it does on twitter when the repost icon is highlighted ... i.e. "this thing was reposted"
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tantek__ kylewm++ the nice thing is we finally have a real world example of a repost of a retweet where we can find these challenges and ask questions!
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Loqi kylewm has 185 karma
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kylewm but suffice it to say, it's very difficult to cram all the data you want to convey in a repost, in a visually pleasing manner
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tantek__ kylewm - except Twitter at that point in their UI indicates "this thing was reposted by YOU" (the reader), using *color*, instead of indicating just "this thing was reposted"
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tantek__ and the big difference is what happens if you *click* the icon/button
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kylewm true
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tantek__ on Twitter, it does a repost (or tries to undo your previous repost)
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kylewm bbiab
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tantek__ on yours it clicks through the retweet permalink which redirects to the original tweet, which is confusing
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tantek__ ok
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tantek.com edited /repost (-56) "- heading prompt, obv from context" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /repost (+265) "How to Display - link to existing display thinking, and past repost display whiteboarding. Also not really a stub anymore." (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /reposts (+22) "more specific redirect. start the transition of this page to be more like the separate [[likes]] page" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /repost (+295) "/* Display */ capture question about repost of a repost display - intermediate author etc." (view diff)
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tantek__ rhiaro, kylewm, Kartikprabhu I think we have more questions to whiteboard re: repost display, especially reposts (of reposts)+ http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#Display
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@dkreuz @tarr11 I do not want to rely on GitHub for receiving webmentions. But this is possible too. You need to implement HTTP POST somehow... (twitter.com/_/status/615197085713965056)
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tantek__ bret, could you reply to ^^^ with how you are sending webmentions from your static site?
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bret manually
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tantek__ oh
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bret :[
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bret never got automated webmentions working well enough to leave unattended
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tantek__ I thought maybe you had a clever github commit hook or something
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bret i send PuSH automatically with webhooks
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bret (that was super easy)
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rhiaro kylewm: How do you find the retweet URL?
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bret I'm rewriting my micropub server to do do webmentions
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rhiaro doesn't really want to deal with twitter API any time soon
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kylewm rhiaro: woodwind subscribes to a url from twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com
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bret haven't gotten very far https://github.com/bcomnes/node-micropub
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kylewm which doesn't do any special handling of reposts, afaik, so they just show up like tweets with RT @originalAuthor: at the front
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rhiaro thanks kylewm (and snarfed!) I'll look into this more later (at a conference)
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aaronpk good morning
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rhiaro good evening aaronpk
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sandro good lunchtime, aaronpk and rhiaro :-)
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aaronpk rhiaro: the retweet does have its own URL, you can see it in the API
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rhiaro aaronpk: I know, I don't want to have to go via the API to find a URL >:(
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aaronpk oh snarfed said that already
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aaronpk is catching up on logs
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rhiaro Because my reposting is semi-manual, ie a Quill hack :)
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rhiaro Maybe I need to work out how to make a browser extension to add retweet URLs into the UI
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rhiaro Or probably just need to look at twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com properly
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@dkreuz @tarr11 I understand. With GitHub alone you will probably achieve #indieweb level 2, but for level 3 you'll need some kind of processing. (twitter.com/_/status/615202981693235201)
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kylewm so i guess we need a service like bridgy's webmentions for blogs, but for any PuSH enabled mf2 blog? where it would send webmentions automatically for new posts
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aaronpk oh yeah, that's totally a thing
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aaronpk i feel like there's an issue open on some project to do that
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kylewm I want an IFTTT channel for webmentions
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Loqi gives kylewm an IFTTT channel for webmentions
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aaronpk heh what do you mean?
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kylewm if new post on this feed -> send webmentions for it
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aaronpk i wonder if we could get IFTTT to add h-entry as a channel
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kylewm once again frustrated by how awesome IFTTT could be if it let you plug in your own services
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aaronpk cause they have RSS already
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aaronpk yeah IFTTT is extremely controlling
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aaronpk this is the kind of thing yahoo pipes was for
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aaronpk yahoo pipes was like DIY IFTTT
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kylewm goes to add webmention-sending service to Itches and realizes it's already there
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cuibonobo interesting seeing an IndieMark reference in the wild (last tweet by @dkreuz).
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@dkreuz @tarr11 For sending webmentions, this will be the way to go (lvl2). For receiving them you need to know who mentions you to visit their page (twitter.com/_/status/615206918462799873)
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@tarr11 @dkreuz doesn't a webmention server solve the receive problem? Webmention.io and http://webmention.herokuapp.com seem to handle that (twitter.com/_/status/615207466989547520)
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@dkreuz @tarr11 Of course you can rely on external servers. Something must receive the webmention. You could then incorporate their content via JS. (twitter.com/_/status/615208631617851392)
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kylewm funny that loqi is picking up this whole conversation
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Loqi :)
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GWG How many geolocation and static map services can people name? Preferably with php code? Trying to improve my location services
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KartikPrabhu loqi messages?
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aaronpk GWG: check out https://github.com/esripdx/Static-Maps-API-PHP
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GWG aaronpk: That covers the static maps. What about reverse geocoding?
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KartikPrabhu reads back logs
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KartikPrabhu granary++
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Loqi granary has 1 karma
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aaronpk geonames is the classic free one http://www.geonames.org/export/ws-overview.html
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GWG No one liked my Location plugin for WordPress. I'm trying to 'fix' it. Those were the areas I thought needed help
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GWG I'm only concerned with free for non-commercial use
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GWG I figure if I put in a common interface, then if I have to change services, then it is just a matter of writing a function that outputs in the format I need.
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GWG Then I have to figure out how to return a timezone for a location
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aaronpk https://github.com/esripdx/Timezone-API
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Loqi slack/snarfed: kylewm aaronpk: man, bridgy already does so much of that generic webmention sending service
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Loqi slack/snarfed: as kylewm mentioned
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Loqi slack/snarfed: all it's missing is a text box to input your url and a one time backlink check for auth
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Loqi slack/snarfed: you could arguably even skip the auth part. unclear whether it's necessary. probably good etiquette though
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GWG aaronpk: I feel like I should just be browsing the EsriPDX repositories
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aaronpk snarfed: oh right! totally forgot https://www.brid.gy/about#blogs
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KartikPrabhu tantek__: re-repost-of-repost etc... I on't know why I would repost a repost honestly. I might like-a-like to like the fact that someone else liked something but if I had torepost something it would definitely be the original
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@tarr11 @voxpelli yes. When I publish a page with webmention markup on github pages, I want it to auto ping my webmention server (twitter.com/_/status/615215461895045120)
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@voxpelli @tarr11 Ping the webmention servers of the pages you link to you mean? Yeah, one should really automate that – need it myself as well (twitter.com/_/status/615216468377116672)
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aaronpk sounds like a great feature request for bridgy :)
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KartikPrabhu I have one that I use: https://kartikprabhu.com/connection/webmentionsender
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aaronpk need something that watches a feed and sends webmentions for new posts automatically
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KartikPrabhu reader+webmention-sender a lot to ask for
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aaronpk i dunno, doesn't seem that hard
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KartikPrabhu always thinks these skip the "indie" part of indieweb
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aaronpk not really
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aaronpk they're just plumbing
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KartikPrabhu so is a website.
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aaronpk they're not tied to the identity, so they can be swapped out
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aaronpk the "indie" part of indieweb is more about independent identity than it is about doing everything yourself
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cuibonobo agree. plus the 'do everything yourself' mentality leaves out a lot of people
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aaronpk totally
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snarfed filed! https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/420
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aaronpk snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 108 karma
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aaronpk you want to chime in on that twitter thread?
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snarfed i did a while back
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snarfed https://twitter.com/schnarfed/status/615051054279831552
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@schnarfed @tarr11 sounds a bit like https://www.brid.gy/about#blogs (twitter.com/_/status/615051054279831552)
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snarfed but true. replied just now: https://twitter.com/schnarfed/status/615218819926077440
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@schnarfed @tarr11 agreed! filed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/420 (twitter.com/_/status/615218819926077440)
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aaronpk sweet
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ben_thatmustbeme ah ha, aaronpk, i wanted to toss an idea or two by you
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ben_thatmustbeme for the token exchange bit, if a service already has a token to access my site, would it be safe for it to just pass a token across
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tantek Facebook's "share posts" are dynamic / hot-inlined! That is, if you share someone's post, and then afterwards they edit it, your shared copy (if it even is a copy) is edited too! Example: (not sure this is a public or any-logged-in-user link) https://www.facebook.com/shares/view?id=10101755232551693
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ben_thatmustbeme Tantek. It's ui I find really annoying too. I need to take some screenshots but if people comment on the share it's nearly impossible to get from mobile
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: I guess it's time to start documenting "reposts" (plural) as a separate page to capture all this
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tantek similar to the /likes page
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ben_thatmustbeme Example "john doe shared a post from somefamousperson. 3 comments" any clicks bring you back to the original comments not the share copy
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ben_thatmustbeme I think this is only on mobile
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tantek that sounds like a bug
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kylewm webmentions for bridgy might finally be an excuse to work my indieauth library into it :)
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tantek.com edited /2015/Guest_List (+109) "link for register for a ticket text for more direct / discoverable call to action, update counts" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm I don't understand what that means - bridgy already accepts and sends webmentions right?
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kylewm tantek: conversation from earlier -- bridgy sends webmentions on the behalf of hosted blogs (for blogspot.com, wordpress.com, and tumblr)... snarfed was talking about extending it to support any blog, just needs a text box to enter the blog name
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kylewm and optionally, could use indieauth to verify that they are actually the owner of the blog being signed up
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tantek kylewm wait what? bridgy *sends* webmentions *from* hosted blogs? as in you post on your hosted blog, Bridgy detects this (polling?), and then sends webmentions to whoever you linked to?
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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KartikPrabhu welcome tarr11!
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tarr11 Thanks for engaging me on this! Very excited by what you guys are doing. :)
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tantek welcome tarr11!
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KartikPrabhu on facebook's real name policy: https://medium.com/@zip/my-name-is-only-real-enough-to-work-at-facebook-not-to-use-on-the-site-c37daf3f4b03
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tantek wow. KartikPrabhu please add to /Facebook#Criticism
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KartikPrabhu what is Facebook?
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Loqi Facebook is a popular content hosting silo and activity aggregator most well known for being the largest centralized social network on the web https://indiewebcamp.com/Facebook
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kylewm tantek: bridgy uses superfeedr instead of polling, but yes
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tantek kylewm: sure, polling as a service - for those blog hosts
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kartikprabhu.com edited /Facebook (+181) "/* Real Name demands */ add medium article" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu tantek could you check the wording on that ^ ?
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tantek can make a stronger statement than that
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KartikPrabhu feel free to edit
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tantek e.g. the facts that her name was good enough to work and be paid there
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tantek ok
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tantek was just thinking up some note text
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cuibonobo that Facebook story got me thinking: is 'identity' necessarily tied to a specific name?
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cuibonobo many trans people use their deadname at work but their new name in other circles
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cuibonobo i'm not sure how indieweb could accommodate that besides just making a new site
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KartikPrabhu cuibonobo: change the h-card on the site ?
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KartikPrabhu if your domain name is yourname then it might be more of an issue
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KartikPrabhu but indieweb does not require that
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cuibonobo in many cases they use both names simultaneously, depending on the context of who they are interacting with
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KartikPrabhu hmmm yeah that is an interesting problem...
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tantek cuibonobo: I think the short answer is different domain names for different identities. You can have as many as you want.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: so if one wishes to change their name they have to get a new domain?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: no - that was not the question
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tantek the question was one of simultaneously using multiple identities
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KartikPrabhu hmm fair enough
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tantek for changing your name, sure, just change your h-card
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tantek cuibonobo: that makes sense. is the term "deadname" informal or commonly used to refer to that? and what is the "new" name called? would post-trans name be accurate?
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cuibonobo tantek: i have seen many references to 'deadname' as the 'old' name. interestingly, the 'new' name is treated as the 'real' name
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cuibonobo as if that is what it should have been to begin with?
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cuibonobo in any case, 'deadname' can refer to either the old name, or when used as a verb, it's essentially 'outing' someone
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cuibonobo after some googling it seems like "post-transition name" does turn up a bunch
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Loqi [bridgy] Chester Tweet replied '@sirmlivesey << Am still unsure of how image-including works in #Ghost. Assumed URL dropped image into a bank. Not the case. @CrtvC...' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/marginalia (https://twitter.com/chestertweet/status/615176889276219392)
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Loqi [bridgy] Chester Tweet retweeted a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/marginalia (https://twitter.com/chestertweet/status/615174599731453953)
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Loqi [bridgy] Mark replied '@chestertweet @CrtvCitizens Yeah, not sure how that works. I was under the impression that it adds the URL to the library.' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/marginalia (https://twitter.com/sirmlivesey/status/615184586205724672)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kartik Prabhu replied '@sirmlivesey @chestertweet you can already see marginalia at work kartikprabhu.com/articles/margi…' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/marginalia (https://twitter.com/kartik_prabhu/status/615214276270096385)
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Loqi [bridgy] Chester Tweet replied '@sirmlivesey Actually, without realising it, I think I've just committed the cardinal crime of hotlinking to @CrtvCitizens image. :-( >&...' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/marginalia (https://twitter.com/chestertweet/status/615176477756289024)
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Loqi [bridgy] Chester Tweet replied '@sirmlivesey Yes. It'd be good for all sorts; but in particular, academic publishing!' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/marginalia (https://twitter.com/chestertweet/status/615174717180411904)
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KartikPrabhu welcome back bridgy! :P
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tantek thanks cuibonobo - appreciate the background and research
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cuibonobo using a new domain name to encompass your new identity still has a big problem tho: WHOIS will snitch on you
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cuibonobo this is especially problematic if you decide to switch identities because of safety concerns
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tantek yes, WHOIS disclosures have lots of problems
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tantek wondering if we should document that on /personal-domain or something - as an issue
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cuibonobo i think it's mentioned in /diversity
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tantek it's worth documenting it as a general issue IMO
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tantek I was going to leave my CSS3 rainbow background as my top post, but decided to post about that Medium article https://twitter.com/t/status/615243770917965824
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@t Facebook sponsors SF #Pride, can rainbow your icon, yet disallows use of post-transition name: https://medium.com/@zip/my-name-is-only-real-enough-to-work-at-facebook-not-to-use-on-the-site-c37daf3f4b03 (ttk.me t4bu1) (twitter.com/_/status/615243770917965824)
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, yes its a bug i believe, but honestly they keep making problems like that
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ben_thatmustbeme its because mobile web viewing takes 3rd place. i guess the UI guys only really pay attention to desktop web or the mobile app
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tantek supposedly - yet their mobile site is quite good
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tantek I don't find bugs often
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ben_thatmustbeme for the most part, it is
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ben_thatmustbeme i have found several bugs like that in the past
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ben_thatmustbeme always around shared items
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ben_thatmustbeme back to getting mpTweet working
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ben_thatmustbeme what is mpTweet?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mpTweet" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=mpTweet&summary=prompted+by+ben_thatmustbeme+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-28%2Fline%2F1435520987025
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ben_thatmustbeme mpTweet is a micropub to twitter software being developed by {{benthatmustbeme}} to demostrate micropub chaining
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loqi.me created /mpTweet (+139) "prompted by ben_thatmustbeme https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-28/line/1435520987025 and dfn added by ben_thatmustbeme" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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@parzzix What project does one decide to help when there are so many? http://www.timapple.com/2015/getting-involved @mozilla #indieweb @withknown @duckduckgo @ubuntu (twitter.com/_/status/615249244039962624)
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tantek almost forgot about http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieWebCampParis last year but I guess that was more like a HWC meetup since it was just two hours
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aaronpk interesting thread potentially relevant to indieweb https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9794751
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tantek aaronpk: perhaps link to it from http://indiewebcamp.com/webhosting#Static_domain_hosting ?
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cuibonobo a thing i'm currently struggling with that might be missing from indieweb post types: presentations / slides
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tantek cuibonobo: aaronpk has them!
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tantek my presentations / slides are still part of my non-Falcon static archives on my site. so they're not part of any "post" in any "stream".
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tantek aaronpk figured out how to make them work / make sense as post types
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cuibonobo oh?? i don't have any presentation-making software so i made a deck at slides.com
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cuibonobo and now i'm struggling to save the data somehow
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tantek we've been making HTML presentations with shower.js so they're 100% static web based (can put them anywhere in a folder and they just work)
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tantek slides in HTML etc.
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cuibonobo i've never heard of shower.js. will look into it
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tantek cuibonobo: all my indiewebcamp presentations are done in it
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tantek here's an example: http://tantek.com/2014/175/t1/pdf14-why-need-indieweb-video-slides (video and slides link inside)
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cuibonobo aha. excellent
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cuibonobo so the slides are `section` blocks within a single HTML page. awesome
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tantek cuibonobo: exactly. feel free to re-use if it's helpful!
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tantek and good see you around here again btw
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cuibonobo thanks! i was 'between computers' for a long time, but now that i'm settled again, i decided to get my irc bouncer back up
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme - I went ahead and wrote this up separately for displays of reposts on posts in particular: https://indiewebcamp.com/reposts
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tantek all: if you show repost responses in a footer or as part of comments on your posts, add yourself https://indiewebcamp.com/reposts#IndieWeb_Examples (I know there are a lot more of you than listed there)
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tantek and with that I'm heading out for the rest of the afternoon to spend some time outdoors!
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aaronpk i've been really enjoying the html slides
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aaronpk it's also nice that it's a totally self-contained thing
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cuibonobo yeah, i really like that
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aaronpk I make a post for my presentations which contains a link to the slides http://aaronparecki.com/presentations
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cuibonobo i see!
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@ccossio A great initiative that anyone interested in the Open Content & Web should participate in http://indiewebcamp.com/2015 / Portland + Brighton #win (twitter.com/_/status/615275242534117376)
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cuibonobo would it be possible to have the slides embedded into a presentation permalink page?
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cuibonobo or does the shower.js stuff interfere too much with other page elements?
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aaronpk probably would conflict. it kind of takes over everything
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aaronpk would work in an iframe tho
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@MAChirrups @rhiaro #ownyourdata or #yourdataownsyou #blackdata = #blackmail (twitter.com/_/status/615283973745430528)
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rhiaro 's officemate discovered twitter recently and is using it to mock her ^
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ben_thatmustbeme i really need to get reposts working on my site
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ben_thatmustbeme my head is spinning from trying to figure out all these auth codes back and forth
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ben_thatmustbeme ahhhh