#indiewebcamp 2015-09-25

2015-09-25 UTC
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GWG Good evening
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KartikPrabhu !tell snarfed: bridgy is still sending POSSE links as mentions, see: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/fragmentioner and the first mention
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[snarfed] KartikPrabhu: ugh sorry. that mention was sent since ~6pm pst yesterday?
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Loqi [snarfed]: KartikPrabhu left you a message 18 minutes ago: bridgy is still sending POSSE links as mentions, see: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/fragmentioner and the first mention http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-24/line/1443146857694
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[snarfed] it's definitely detecting your posses in general ok: https://www.brid.gy/googleplus/117114060857732496623
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KartikPrabhu yes recieved at 2015-09-24 12:03
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[snarfed] ok. thanks for the report! I'll look
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@belongbot4000 RT @kevinmarks: clouds, how do they work? http://noahveltman.com/internet-shape/ via @waxpancake (previously http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006/02/tiered-versus-weird.html ) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/647270600759709696)
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@nxD4n @kruy moi c'est pcq c'est via mon site basé sur https://withknown.com/ (#indieweb, #webmention) que je difuse @AndreaNaranjoLe (twitter.com/_/status/647327416608755712)
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Zegnat Good morning indieweb
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voxpelli Thinking I would like to reproduce the Medium "Recommend" button on my own blog
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voxpelli Should be doable with webactions + inline indieconfig posting UI (or a popup if inline isn't doable)
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KartikPrabhu voxpelli: isn't "reocmmend" Medium's way of doing "likes" ?
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: it's like a share / retweet with comment as well
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KartikPrabhu what is share?
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Loqi share is a watered down verb that's used on the "social web" (and other platforms like Google's Android) to mean pretty much any action https://indiewebcamp.com/share
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voxpelli It's more clear that it's something you believe others should read rather than just something you personally like. And especially their optional comment on why is interesting
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KartikPrabhu I do the optional comment for likes anyway
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voxpelli The feeling of it is more sincere than similar actions on other platforms
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: comments added to likes is something very few WebMention receivers support :P
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KartikPrabhu the comment is for my readers and not for the recieving endpoint
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@benborges_ Just upgraded https://1-m.cc to @withKnown 0.8.3.1 #indieweb - flawless & quick process & back from .. https://1-m.cc/2015/just-upgraded--mcc-to-withknown-0831-indieweb---flawless-quick (twitter.com/_/status/647416870220529665)
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@occupybrussels RT @benborges_: Just upgraded https://1-m.cc to @withKnown 0.8.3.1 #indieweb - flawless & quick process & back from .. https://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/647419387323006976)
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ben_thatmustbeme Good Morning #indiewebcamp
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snarfed morning!
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snarfed current status: learning about domain blacklists, e.g. http://uribl.com/about.shtml#info
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Zegnat Interesting, snarfed. You might also be interested in https://github.com/piwik/referrer-spam-blacklist
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snarfed thanks Zegnat!
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snarfed my use case here is https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/490#issuecomment-143095505
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Zegnat Ah, interesting
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Zegnat The referrer spam blacklist might be somewhat related, but not quite. Their use-case would be more for people spamming webmentions as target={yourdomain}&source={blacklistdomain}
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Zegnat But blocklist are always very whack-a-mole-ish, and never a real solution, I think :(
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raucao hmm, brid.gy doesn't recognize my facebook posts anymore. twitter is still fine. didn't change anything
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snarfed raucao: likely due to the recent launch of https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51
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snarfed does bridgy have your domain?
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snarfed check your user page
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raucao https://www.brid.gy/facebook/10153093120378440
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raucao my user page?
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raucao it also sent one, but known didn't recognize it (a comment from myself on the facebook post that was posse'd to there)
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raucao so what does it mean? i don't quite understand it
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raucao how can i just have the perfectly working behavior from before?
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raucao which is feed everything back, like twitter still does
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kylewm raucao: Bridgy needs to have https://updates.kip.pe/ in your Facebook profile now to recognize your posts as coming from your site
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[snarfed] raucao: add updates.kip.pe to the website field in your fb profile, then re-auth Facebook on bridgy
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[snarfed] sorry for the trouble!
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[snarfed] I'll document soon
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[snarfed] jinx! :P
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raucao ah, cool
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raucao no worries
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raucao thanks!!
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kylewm raucao: one thing to try, re-authorize bridgy/facebook using Known's configuration page -- it is supposed to tell Bridgy your website URL durng that auth process
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raucao ah ok, will do
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raucao kylewm: hmm, on known's side it's just facebook. i think i never set up brid.gy there
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raucao and i can only set one website in facebook, but my known is running on a different origin than my actual personal website is. but my peronal website links to known via rel=feed
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raucao so i guess the downside after this update is that i can't set my facebook profile website url to anything other than the one i want to backfeed to?
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[snarfed] you can actually set multiple urls in Facebook's website field, just use newlines
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GWG I just drove for a few hours. Great way to be alone with your Indieweb themed thoughts.
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kylewm driving is good for that
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KevinMarks this article (via @shanehudson) is good on the hard problems we have with whitespace in parsing http://perfectionkills.com/the-poor-misunderstood-innerText/
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@kevinmarks Good, reasoned discussion of events discovery and the Facebook elephant in the room http://www.hughmalkin.com/blogwriter/2015/9/23/why-no-one-has-solved-event-discovery #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/647482972258484229)
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tantek KevinMarks: what is blogwriter?
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tantek That article you tweeted is js;dr :/
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kylewm Squarespace
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kylewm I mean, I don't know if blogwriter is a squarespace thing, but that js-only page is squarespace
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tantek so many assumptions in this article about what a startup should/must do
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KevinMarks it is revealing of his assumptions too, yes
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tantek that reflect similar critiques I've made about assumptions about an indienews design as well
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tantek e.g. "due to our small user base we remained the last service to post an event to, if at all." <-- maybe you shouldn't make your users do extra work "post an event" ?
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tantek "local marketing only provided small spikes of new logins" <-- good critique of why it's not longterm worth doing local marketing, the benefits are ephemeral
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tantek "when the [marketing] engine was turned off, our active users would drop. Acquisition, activation, and referral were not problems, but retention was." <-- another good critique of marketing helping only ephemerally. And why does everyone assume users must be "retained", or is it collected, like Pokemon?
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tantek "79% of millennials will buy an experience over buying an object." <-- this is interesting, and hopeful
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tantek "The sheer number of startups in this space make investment, partnerships, marketing, and revenue incredibly more competitive. " <-- why does event discovery require "investment, partnerships, marketing" ?
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Zegnat “And why does everyone assume users must be "retained", or is it collected, like Pokemon?” – easier to get advertisers interested when people are more likely to spend time on your pages again and again?
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tantek "no barriers to entry into event discovery" = don't need investment if that's true
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tantek "partnerships" is very old MBA non-Web thinking. bizdev does not scale
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tantek "marketing" ?!? we already covered two examples of why that's epehemeral and bad ROI
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ShaneHudson Millennials is such an awful word. Especially if people use it to refer to me.
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tantek Thus this entire statement: "The sheer number of startups in this space make investment, partnerships, marketing, and revenue incredibly more competitive." shows that the author DID NOT learn from their own experience that they *just wrote about mere sentences before* (!!!)
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tantek "Most people do not create events and most event creators don’t do it that often. " <-- meaning, create events *ONLINE* - most people *do* create events in person, they message their friends, organize small meetups, dinner, drinks etc., all the time.
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tantek thus the disconnect: most people DO create events, but DO NOT create events ONLINE
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tantek which indicates this may be an opportunity for better event creation UX. maybe. maybe it's too hard of a UX problem.
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tantek "In event discovery, the value of an event decreases dramatically the farther away it is." <-- also a hopeful statement for continued re-urbanization, de-suburbanization, de-ruralization
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ShaneHudson Right, they don't create formal events but they still message friends online etc. It could work like the way Google add events to calendar from email.
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tantek "However, creating an event and adding it to multiple platforms takes time and is repetitive." <-- insufficient APIs to POSSE events to all the "platforms" AKA silos
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tantek "Event creators choose which platforms they spend their time." <-- assumes event creators don't post on their own sites, and only post to silos. OR meaning event creators choose which silos to POSSE to
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tantek "Unless you have a large user base, event creators won’t choose your platform to add their events" <-- right, so don't build another event silo, duh.
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tantek "As a result, an event discovery startup cannot rely on its users to add events to their system." <-- finally an a-ha moment - depending on explicit adding (like people seem to think is ok for Indie News) is too much work to ask of users.
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tantek "We saw that if we got ten to twenty people to log in in one city we would have a enough events to provide a decent daily event discovery service for that city. " <-- ok that's amazing. ONLY 10-20 people per city is enough to get good discovery of events for that city?!? wow. that's an amazing sociological result.
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tantek so what if 10-20 people per city posted their events on their own sites? would that be all that would be needed to get indie events to "tip" in terms of relevance for a city? that's a huge opportunity with an incredibly low barrier!
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tantek "Most people are picky about who they ask to join them for real-life encounters. They chose to private direct message a friend or small group of friends about an event." <-- good incentive to get private /invitation posts working!
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Zegnat I think the real problem with event creation is that a lot of events are private to some extend. I used Facebook to poll for an interest in an Ig Nobel viewing amongst friends by creating an event, and event *only* for those friends. Event discovery is not actually what people (“users”) want, IMHO. I never use Facebook to discover new events, it is always word-of-mouth. I would not be surprised if most people have similar needs.
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Zegnat You can only build a profitable service based on events if it effectively organises all *public* events: a sport viewing at the local pub, open mic night by the poetry club, etc.
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Zegnat I think people will not be posting personal events any time soon, tantek, not even to their own sites. Most of people’s “events” aren’t actually meant to be that public. E.g. the “small meetups, dinner, drinks” you mention.
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tantek "Normally there is a discussion around the event about when to go, where to meet, what else to do, who else can come and so on." <-- indicates a desire for private ephemeral subgroups related to an event perhaps
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tantek Zegnat - perhaps this is an SFism - however - I used FB for public event discovery all the time! It's very useful in that regard, and most people seem to post most semi-medium/large events publicly.
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tantek “small meetups, dinner, drinks” I referred are an opportunity for better UX for creating private /event posts
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Zegnat It might be. It would be interesting to hear from others who are in big cities.
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tantek big cities behavior is certainly different in this regard
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ShaneHudson I have never used FB for event discovery. Well.. I tried once for live music but got no good results.
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tantek there's a lot of incentive to be public or semi-public, and early on, just to get people's attention, sense of social crticial mass / momentum / commitment
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Zegnat I just think the article fell apart as soon as it mentioned start-ups and marketing. Because the events that people constantly organise and want tools for, are not the ones they want to see aggregated, which means it is impossible to run a company on top of them
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tantek whereas purely private events are often neglected, or people have already committed to one of the semi-public events
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tantek Another interesting data-point about event interest: "In the music industry, there is rule of thumb that 50% of tickets are sold when the event is first announced and the next 50% are sold the week of the event."
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Zegnat I think that is true for Facebook events. You get people reacting to an event right the moment they are invited, else when they are reminded by Facebook a few days in advance (to ~24 hours in advance)
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tantek right
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Zegnat That is definitely how my social group seems to react to Facebook events, at least
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tantek Anecdotally I have seen this to be true also: "users that click attend on all Facebook event invites just so they can remember the event for later or provide positive feedback to the person who invited them (similar to a “like" button). When someone doesn’t buy a ticket, they won’t have any skin in the game and can afford to miss the event."
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tantek and: "Most people resist making advanced commitments before they absolutely need to make them. "
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tantek and definitely: "People desire to keep their options open in case other conflicting opportunities emerge as the date and time of an event approaches. If they can afford to wait and see, they will."
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tantek "We noticed that users were more likely to attend an event if they were personally invited by their friends." <-- agreed, and good incentive to support invitations on your /event posts, as well as posting /invitation posts yourself to invite friends.
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tantek ^^^ would be useful to add to /invitation#Why
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tantek and perhaps a subsection of /event#Why on "Why support u-invitee"
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tantek this is a good sociological insight: "Even if someone sees that a friend is going to an event, there is a psychological need for people to get personally invited to that event."
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tantek ^^^ again, worthy of adding to /invitation#Why and /event#Why_support_invitees
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loqi.me created /screenshot_safe (+306) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek back to the event article
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tantek "The strength of the invite varies by which platform the invite was sent" <-- choose where it's worth POSSEing to
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tantek "... and how many people were included on the invite. A Facebook event invite is weak but a personal direct message to only one person is very strong." <-- POSSE /invitation posts to Twitter DMs perhaps?
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tantek "companies need to always be on the look out to reduce the cost of customer acquisition." <-- or stop assuming that "customer acquisition" is needed and design for immediate transactional customer utility to build loyalty!
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tantek "In an ideal world users to work on a platform and share links to their work on that platform. " <-- WTF?!? Whose ideals are those?!? There is no world where working/sharing on a platform [silo] is ideal :P
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tantek "Instead many people turn to google to search for things to do." <-- duh, because [old] Google understood the value of providing immediate transactional customer utility to build loyalty
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tantek "Events are more complicated than other content types" <-- yes we've noticed that too :)
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tantek "We hid events that lasted longer than 6 days to avoid showing our users the same event everyday. " <-- too bad FB hasn't figured that out (yet)
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tantek ^^^ but good advice for anyone displaying an events calendar or events listing on their own site, like Jeena :)
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tantek "The time component of events makes events more complicated than evergreen content types because events have a short shelf life." <-- very shallow and flawed analysis
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tantek events go through a very interesting life cycle of interest, from immediate participation, to after the fact sharing of what happened (photos, etc.), to who did I meet there looking through attendees to connect, to personal logging / archival referencing (hey what did I do last week/month), to timehop style "one year ago you did" type reflection!
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tantek AKA this is false: "But, afterwards, its value to the network drops to virtually nothing."
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tantek Good input for event creation UX optimizations: "few events are created more than a month in advance."
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tantek "Location is another inherent limitation to an event’s value. Events provide most of their value to others when those users can travel near enough to join." <-- a-ha perhaps events could/should tell you how long it would take you to get there from your current location (via walking, transit, biking, car)
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tantek "People who encounter the service from non-urban locations have the hardest time" <-- non-urban locations are dying.
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tantek More good event creation UX info: "... [users] tend to only create or interact with events in their city and rarely outside of it."
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tantek huge (challenging) opportunity for the next class of Dopplr type tools: "This makes personalization for travelers difficult because the information from their friends and likes is not enough to make a strong recommendation."
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Zegnat “non-urban locations are dying” - I don't think this is true at all, it is (again) just too small of a market for tools/start-ups
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tantek Zegnat - in the US at least, urbanization trends have been well documented
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tantek Europe is way ahead of the US already in terms of higher density urbanization
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tantek good tip for event list UX: "Unfortunately, seeing all of the events available overwhelmed the rest of our users."
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Zegnat Definitely, but I see loads of places here in Sweden that are simply too far away from cities to plan events there, forcing smaller communities to get creative and create their own events
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tantek "Both planners and procrastinators told us they wanted a service that they could go to, find what they want, and leave quickly." <-- duh, exactly the "immediate transactional customer utility to build loyalty" that I mentioned!!!
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Zegnat Those events would benefit enormously from these tools, it is just that, because most of these tools target specific aggregations or discoveries, they don’t welcome such communities very much
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tantek good event aggregator UX input: "Planners are interested in a limited list of events that have just been announced and want to be reminded of the events happening that they have planed for."
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tantek more good event aggregator UX input: "Procrastinators are interested in what is happening this week, today, or just right now."
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tantek so if you show a list of events on your site conside those two points in your UX design!
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kylewm what is fisking?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fisking" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/103W
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tantek and linked from that article, this very ironic post, posted on LinkedIn
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tantek "Advice for Building a Startup Inside Someone Else's Ecosystem: Don’t" https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20130808220335-24171-advice-for-building-a-startup-inside-someone-else-s-ecosystem-don-t
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tantek Advice for posting original posts inside someone else's silo: Don't
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[snarfed] tantek Zegnat: add periods and paragraph breaks to your last 30m of irc, and you'll have a few good blog posts! :P
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tantek snarfed, feel free to do so and post it as a "repost" from this IRC log : )
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Zegnat [snarfed]: one of the reasons I really want to finish my blog system sooner than later! Posting these things on my own domain
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[snarfed] kylewm++ too, new term to me
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Loqi kylewm has 240 karma
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kylewm KevinMarks++ for teaching it to me (along with most of the new terms I've learned in the last year :P)
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Loqi KevinMarks has 166 karma
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[snarfed] tantek: thanks for the offer! sadly i couldn't do the editing justice
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tantek editing is hard, let's post on IRC :)
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tantek This is an indie web opportunity - especially if you make your site a personalized VIP event discovery service by your reputation: "Personally, I would like to see a high-end or VIP event discovery. Time is a limited resource and we are spending more on going out. We are looking for more unique experience to say we went to on social media."
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tantek "This should mean that people will pay more for even rarer experiences." - um, maybe. people are very bad at making time vs. money decisions (i.e. will waste lots of time to save very few $, or to get something for "free" !)
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tantek "There is a movement towards a text based concierge. " <-- hey whatever did happen to that supposed "Magic" app that you could text any request to? Anything? Bueller?
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tantek "Ticket pricing can be very difficult for event creators. Getting pricing wrong can have big effects on the event turnout and the longevity of the artist or group." <-- as someone who created/ran his own workshops (e.g. on microformats, HTML5), I can agree with this observation
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Zegnat To see the problems people make at guesstimating how much money to ask you just have to look at failed Kickstarter projects :(
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Loqi it'll be ok
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tantek that's a different segment of failures
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tantek for event tickets it's even more complicated / challenging :/
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tantek what is an events listing?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "events listing" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/103X
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Zegnat I thought it would be about the same for event tickets, in that they have to cover all your expenses?
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tantek An events listing is a page or portion of a page (like on a [[homepage]]) of an indieweb site that shows a list of events, perhaps including some subset of their [[event]], [[invitation]], and [[RSVP]] posts, displayed as a list or grid of some sort.
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Loqi ok
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tantek Zegnat - absolutely not the same for event tickets - see the observation above about how music tickets tend to sell for example
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tantek user purchasing behavior for events is VERY different than for contributions to a project / donations etc.
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tantek and "cover all your expenses" is making a huge assumption about the incentive of the event creator / ticket seller. maybe they just want to offset costs a bit, maybe they want to maximize profit. big spectrum of possibilities.
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tantek.com edited /events_listing (+744) "IndieWeb Examples, add subheads, Articles with one article via KevinMarks, see also" (view diff)
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Zegnat Hmm, I’ll have to think about that some more. I have no first hand experience with either event sales or running kickstarter projects, only know the things I picked up during my studies
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tantek snarfed - if you find any particularly useful / valid points above, feel free to add to https://indiewebcamp.com/events_listing
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tantek also - if anyone else lists events on their site, either automatically or manually, add yourself to https://indiewebcamp.com/events_listing#IndieWeb_Examples
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rhiaro tantek does rhiaro.co.uk/calendar count?
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@chim0 My #mediagoblin instance might be accepting webmentions now. (twitter.com/_/status/647543958550282240)
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@belongbot4000 RT @kevinmarks: Good, reasoned discussion of events discovery and the Facebook elephant in the room http://www.hughmalkin.com/blogwriter/2015/9/23/why-no-one-has-solved-event-discovery #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/647542579869974528)
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aaronpk wtf I need to relearn CSS apparently
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KevinMarks hm, Quill won't let me just put an mp3 URL in, I have to use a silo?
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aaronpk CSS "viewport height" is amazing
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KevinMarks it's handy in iframes
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aaronpk wat this is nuts
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tantek rhiaro: totally counts
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aaronpk i wish i was livestreaming this but i'll get the video online soon
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KevinMarks seems like autolink should recognise .mp3 etc and make an <audio>
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tantek KevinMarks: it does in CASSIS auto_link
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KevinMarks so the python one has diverged
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KevinMarks why is it so fiddly to say 'catch up my repository to the one I forked from' on github?
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snarfed because git
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tantek I have given up on many repos because of that problem
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snarfed i use alias gfu 'pull -v --rebase upstream master && git push'
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tantek lol magic incantation
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snarfed only advisable on master
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tantek can you reword that in harry potter spell talk?
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snarfed lol no but feel free
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KevinMarks there is a little line saying 'you're 7 commits behind master' and I want a button next to it that does a cacthup
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Loqi gives KevinMarks a button next to it that does a cacthup
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KevinMarks instead I have to click pull request, change base, create apull request to myself and merge'
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KevinMarks o_O
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snarfed boo
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snarfed merging--
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Loqi merging has -1 karma
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snarfed that flow probably works, but i think you then diverge from upstream and can't contribute anything back
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snarfed you may or may not care
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snarfed debates creating #indieplumbing
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snarfed ...
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tantek !tell rhiaro is there going to be a 2015-10-01 HWC Edi? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-01-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell her that when I see her next
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rhiaro Can you pester tbrb from now on please
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Loqi rhiaro: tantek left you a message 34 seconds ago: is there going to be a 2015-10-01 HWC Edi? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-01-homebrew-website-club http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-25/line/1443223583333
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rhiaro Yesterday was my last one in Edinburgh
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tantek sorry rhiaro, habit + not being aware when the transition was occuring :)
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "assume next is 2015-10-07 unless we hear otherwise about HWC Edi" (view diff)
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rhiaro The flight is at the calendar link ;)
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tantek lol
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rhiaro tbrb intends to continue running them weekly anyway
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tbrb Am going to visit potential new venue tomorrow afternoon and find out info
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rhiaro Splendid
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tantek rhiaro: perhaps consider updating https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#Getting_Started_or_Restarting ?
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rhiaro I even made him do the photo yesterday :)
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tbrb tantek: that's on the to-do
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rhiaro tbrb++
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Loqi tbrb has 5 karma
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tantek Amy being listed first for Edinburgh means she gets contacted by default ;)
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tbrb true
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tantek voxpelli++ for figuring out (or at least brainstorming) how to do an indieweb "Recommend" webaction button similar to what /Medium apparently supports.
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Loqi voxpelli has 51 karma
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page (-8) "assume next HWC is 2015-10-07 unless we hear otherwise about HWC Edi" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+2530) "update next and recent HWC meetups" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events_listing (+107) "manually, IndieWebCamp Events" (view diff)
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aaronpk is there a service that can help me find featured images to use on blog posts?
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tantek stock photos ?
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aaronpk i guess
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KartikPrabhu flikcr's creative commons
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aaronpk guess i could just search flickr creative commons
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tantek problem with that is that such articles look like they're just using generic stock photos
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tantek which looks cheap / low reputation
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tantek yeah - people use my Flickr CC photos because of that
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tantek aaronpk: what you really want is feature image discovery from your own photo posts!
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tantek s/feature/featured
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Loqi tantek meant to say: aaronpk: what you really want is featured image discovery from your own photo posts!
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aaronpk true!
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tantek (or heck, expand that to, all your photo posts on your site and silo profiles!)
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aaronpk i want to use featured images more
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tantek why?
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tantek what is a featured image?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "featured image" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/103Y
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tantek what is featured?
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Loqi featured is a proposed mf2 property (typically as u-featured) for h-entry that indicates a representative image for a primarily textual post https://indiewebcamp.com/featured
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aaronpk and now i kind of want to do full-page magazine style images with the new css vh stuff
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tantek heh
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aaronpk s/vh/viewport height
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: and now i kind of want to do full-page magazine style images with the new css viewport height stuff
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aaronpk i wish KevinMarks were at this conference livetweeting it
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KartikPrabhu featured image is featured
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loqi.me created /featured_image (+53) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-25/line/1443224438609 and dfn added by KartikPrabhu" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek gah - not really but ok
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tantek plumbingcentricredirect--
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Loqi plumbingcentricredirect has -1 karma
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KartikPrabhu that is what the definition of featured says though
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tantek no ^^^ "a proposed mf2 property" -> plumbing
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tantek plumbing-centric at that
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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tantek I'm just going to keep repeating this point until I've figured out how to better explain it
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tantek what is plumbing?
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Loqi Plumbing in the context of the IndieWeb, refers to all the underlying code, backend setup, protocols, formats that is all merely there to support the design and user experience of a site, the actual user visible and interactive parts https://indiewebcamp.com/plumbing
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harryreeder.co.uk edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (-12) "/* Getting Started or Restarting */ HWC Edi - rhiaro is leaving us" (view diff)
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aaronpk also flexbox looks neat and i need to learn it