#indiewebcamp 2015-10-11

2015-10-11 UTC
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tantek hey indieweb Curl fans, anyone understand a warning like: "Warning: curl_setopt(): CURLOPT_FOLLOWLOCATION cannot be activated when an open_basedir is set"
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GWG Good evening.
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tantek apparently the top results for "open_basedir" are all about this error - talk about a badly designed option
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tantek what even is open_basedir and what is it for?!?
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aaronpk wow i haven't seen that one before
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aaronpk oh it's a security thing, i'm guessing pretty common for shared hosts to set i
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aaronpk t
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tantek just started happening
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aaronpk did your host change anything recently?
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tantek in response to curl_setopt($c, CURLOPT_FOLLOWLOCATION, 1);
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tantek no idea
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tantek aaronpk: I don't understand what a *local* open_basedir setting has to do with an HTTP curl request - this makes no sense
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aaronpk i'm guessing it has to do with the fact that a lot of the php functions treat local files and http URLS the same, like you can use file_get_contents on a URL or a local file
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tantek CURLOPT_FOLLOWLOCATION is to get curl to follow redirects right?
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek does that mean PHP users of curl need to write their own redirect handling function to call before curl?
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tantek because curl is too dumb to not redirect to file: URLs?
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aaronpk i sure hope not
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aaronpk i can't get my curl to attempt to fetch a file:// URL
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tantek so the warning and error due to open_basedir is just a bug in PHP then?
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aaronpk https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=30609
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aaronpk looks like before that check, curl *was* able to access the filesystem
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aaronpk ugh js;dr caused archive.org to not get the contents of that URL linked
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aaronpk http://web.archive.org/web/20080401235506/http://www.securitytrap.com/mail/bugtraq/2004/Oct/0287.html
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KartikPrabhu that is a very clean page ;)
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aaronpk :P
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+602) "Security Trap article dead to archive.org, as predicted" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /js;dr (+90) "/* Security Trap */ found via" (view diff)
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tantek good night #indiewebcamp!
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Loqi laila tov!
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@jakub_kulak RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: AMP, Facebook Instant Articles and Apple News are like 3 new browsers that only support a subset of … (twitter.com/_/status/653144163760910336)
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me.gidzit.org edited /IRC_People (+49) (view diff)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@DrHeavenyC #indiedev #IndieBooksBeSeen #Indie #IndieDevHour #indiefilm #comics #art #indieweb #IndieRock #Indiepower #IndiePub https://twitter.com/AndrewB38318871/status/653229909309919233 (twitter.com/_/status/653231225843249157)
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[shaners] I think it’s really great the effort aaronpk put in to get Slack integration working so well. :star2:
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iamshane.com created /User:Veganstraightedge.com (+2333) "Created page with "= Shane Becker = '''<dfn>Shane Becker</dfn>''' is a co-founder of Hypernova which is making Homesteading. He lives and works at The Farmhouse in Hollywood, California. <span st..."" (view diff)
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iamshane.com edited /User:Veganstraightedge.com (+14) "/* Shane Becker */" (view diff)
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iamshane.com edited /User:Veganstraightedge.com (-165) "/* Other Projects */" (view diff)
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iamshane.com edited /User:Veganstraightedge.com (-99) "/* Elsewhere */" (view diff)
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[shaners] tantek: h2vx breaks for my vCard link
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[shaners] http://h2vx.com/vcf/veganstraightedge.com
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[shaners] > Fatal error: Call-time pass-by-reference has been removed in /home/tantek/domains/h2vx.com/public_html/vcf/get-contact.php on line 106
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iamshane.com edited /User:Veganstraightedge.com (+8) "/* Contact and License */" (view diff)
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Zegnat [shaners], tantek isn't in right now, try that same message with !tell in front to have Loqi pass on the message
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iamshane.com edited /User:Iamshane.com () "(-2239) Redirected page to [[User:Veganstraightedge.com]]" (view diff)
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[shaners] @zegnat Oh yeah. Duh. Thanks!
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[shaners] !tell tantek: h2vx breaks for my vCard link
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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[shaners] http://h2vx.com/vcf/veganstraightedge.com
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[shaners] > Fatal error: Call-time pass-by-reference has been removed in /home/tantek/domains/h2vx.com/public_html/vcf/get-contact.php on line 106
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[shaners] @loqi Where do you get your pronouns for users from?
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aaronpk it's a secret
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[shaners] aaronpk: Is there somewhere on the wiki where people can specify their preferred pronouns?
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aaronpk no but I want to do that, or have it read pronouns from the h-card on your home page
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[shaners] I remember seeing someone suggesting a microformat property addition to h-card for prepositions. Maybe it was kylewm ?
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aaronpk a nicknames cache is basically a list of h-cards right?
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@EPfafenrot Currently testing out #IndieWeb using #Known at http://epfafenrot.de/ | https://withknown.com/ | https://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/653254716923715584)
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Loqi [mention] Christian Crumlish posted an invite: "invited" https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/688447421193285/671166853018457/10155012202475408 that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-10-21-homebrew-website-club https://webmention.io/notification/Zv5cCxm2yM9Nx7R5h6liPw
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[shaners] aaronpk: right
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aaronpk that means I can create them using micropub, which is great
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aaronpk problem is they are not "posts" and I don't want them in my stream of posts, nor do I want their URLs or identifiers to follow the format of my posts
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aaronpk the same is true for venues once I do that for checkins
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aaronpk which means I need some concept of different collections/sets of objects, and Micropub needs a way to indicate which collection it's writing to
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[shaners] Like a post-type field?
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aaronpk I think it's more than just the post type
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[shaners] Can you use a URL to represent that collection?
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aaronpk yeah
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tommorris I finally got to do some more work on ferocity2 today.
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[kevinmarks] http://om.co/2015/10/11/non-social/
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GWG I'm really enjoying following the commentary on the AMP project. Lots of familiar handles
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aaronpk haha yeah
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[kevinmarks] I think we are broadly in sympathy with their goals, but are trying to tone down the buts that are different from html just for the sake of it.
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KartikPrabhu s/buts/bits
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GWG kevinmarks: I'm conflicted about the javascript library part. And I don't use javascript myself.
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KartikPrabhu [kevinmarks]: I agree. just usual HTML/CSS/JS written with performance in mind is pretty good
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KartikPrabhu the "page is invisible unless JS" is the most annoying but
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GWG Do we have something in the wiki about pages and how they display with JS disabled?
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GWG That might be a fruitful endeavor
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[kevinmarks] What is js;dr
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Loqi js;dr is JavaScript required; Didn’t Read https://indiewebcamp.com/js;dr
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GWG kevinmarks: That is pages that require Javascript. I was thinking of some thoughts on designing for JS to act as an enhancement as opposed to a requirement.
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[kevinmarks] That is the deeper point, yes. That is what I was getting at with 4 versions of my page
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GWG kevinmarks: I was suggesting elaboration on deeper point in the wiki somewhere.
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GWG I have one page I maintain for someone with 48 scripts loading. It shocked even the owner.
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KartikPrabhu 48!
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GWG And it isn't the worst I've seen.
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GWG I once quit an admin side gig I was doing over that issue.
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aaronparecki.com edited /Planning (+172) (view diff)
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GWG aaronpk: Does this mean I might finally get a chance to see you record your food intake in person?
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aaronpk haha
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GWG If it is you, rhiaro, and tantek I'll be surrounded by vegetarians/vegans. Which is probably fortunate that when out I usually eat like a pescatarian.
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veganstraightedge.com edited /Homesteading () "(-4332) Trim down Homesteading wiki page while we re-build it all again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /User:Veganstraightedge.com (+1) "Fix resume URL" (view diff)
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veganstraightedge.com edited /Homesteading (+116) (view diff)
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: do you store contacts on your site yet?
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aaronpk oh you did but removed it recently IIRC
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: not yet, i have only simple things of URL and name thus far
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aaronpk i'm curious about your thoughts on this: https://github.com/aaronpk/Micropub/issues/12
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ben_thatmustbeme mp-url
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aaronpk why?
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ben_thatmustbeme http://aaronparecki.com/tantek is that something you would show on the page?
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ben_thatmustbeme if not, they mp-url
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ben_thatmustbeme is how i would do it
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ben_thatmustbeme other option is conatact[url] or something like that
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aaronpk yeah pretty sure i'd includ my permalink for the thing
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aaronpk i already do for events
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ben_thatmustbeme the way i do it, i don't store the location of my contact on my site anywhere in it
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ben_thatmustbeme i just assume any that use the same URL are the same contact
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ben_thatmustbeme so just url[]=tantek.com url[]=twitter.com/t
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ben_thatmustbeme and it knows to add
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aaronpk how does it know which contact to add it to?
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ben_thatmustbeme its more like 'create a new contact' and then the system on the site recognizes, OH, i already have one of those in an existing contact
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ben_thatmustbeme and merges them
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aaronpk hm yeah guess that works
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ben_thatmustbeme it puts the idea of merging contacts as a primary concept
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aaronpk that wouldn't work for many of my events though, since i've seen a bunch of events that re-use the same permalink for future years :(
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[shaners] aaronpk: I don’t like mp-url. It’s not very obvious or self-documenting to my eyes.
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aaronpk even when you'd be including a parameter "mp-action=edit"?
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[shaners] Yeah. Bc it’s not the url of your micropub dingus. It’s the url of an object/resource/contact/thing in your collection of things.
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tommorris Some more noodling. http://cl.ly/image/3s2V0k0H3b3o
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[shaners] To me, it’d read better if it was like: thing-url or mp-thing-url
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[shaners] (not actually “thing”, but some noun)
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk what about "id"?
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[shaners] i don’t hate `id`
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[shaners] or `uid`?
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[shaners] (does h-card have `u-uid` on it?)
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aaronpk oh yeah uid is a thing
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[shaners] then `id` feels good to me
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aaronpk why not "uid" then I guess?
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[shaners] I thought you just meant that uid is on hcard and would conflict all the same
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aaronpk looks up the definiteion of uid
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[shaners] (or at least, it’s on hentry and would click there, but not if you prefixed it)
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[shaners] also, how married to abbreving your micropub prefix to `mp-` as opposed to spelling it out ‘micropub-`?
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aaronpk http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Properties "u-uid - unique entry ID"
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aaronpk http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card "u-uid - unique identifier, often canonical URL"
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aaronpk if uid is supposed to be the canonical URL, then yeah I can't use it for the local URL
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[shaners] right. that’s what i’m thinking.
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[shaners] but `id` is prolly ok for a local URL. :shrug:
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aaronpk hadn't thought about micropub-* vs mp-*, but went with "mp" in the first place because it's short
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[shaners] Mostly humans won’t be writing these HTTP posts. Software will, right?
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aaronpk yeah
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[shaners] (AtomPub called this kind of thing `Location` or `Content Location`. Both are not great.)
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[shaners] I’m generally in favor of spelling it out and not abbreving (see what I did there?) unless it’s a thing that’ll be human typed a lot.
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[shaners] Spelled out is better documentation and less ambiguous.
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aaronpk noted https://github.com/aaronpk/Micropub/issues/13
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[shaners] ```
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[shaners] curl http://example.com/micropub
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[shaners] -d micropub-action=edit
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[shaners] -d micropub-id=<http://aaronparecki.com/tantek> # This is the URL of my copy of the contact
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[shaners] -d url[]=<https://twitter.com/t> # this is the URL I want to add to the contact
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[shaners] ```
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aaronpk (for the record, the <> around those URLs are an artifact from Slack)
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[shaners] WOOO SLACK! :stuck_out_tongue:
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aaronpk my filter must not have matched those because of the = right before them
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aaronpk well that isn't horrible
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aaronpk I think I'll wait for some more people to weigh in on this before doing anything
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[shaners] Agreed. :thumbsup::skin-tone-2:
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ben_thatmustbeme uid does make sense aaronpk
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ben_thatmustbeme makes sense to me anyway
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aaronpk it has the same problem as "url" tho, since it's supposed to be the canonical URL, which means for an event that lives on indiewebcamp.com, the uid of that on my site would still bet he indiewebcamp.com URL
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KartikPrabhu i don't think u-url is supposed to be canonical though
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aaronpk no, u-uid
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KartikPrabhu u-uid is
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KartikPrabhu oh ok
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aaronpk if "canonical" means canonical within the domain, then this isn't a problem and I can use it
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aaronpk for example, this is my local URL for homebrew website club, but the canonical URL is on indiewebcamp.com http://aaronparecki.com/events/2015/10/07/1/homebrew-website-club
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aaronpk what's the proper value for "u-uid" on that post?
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tantek canonical means globally (web / DNS - wide)
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Loqi tantek: [shaners] left you a message 6 hours, 49 minutes ago: h2vx breaks for my vCard link http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-11/line/1444581599465
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tantek hence rel=canonical
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tantek uid = *universal* id
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tantek universal potentially implying universe-wide
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tantek there's no other way to interpret this
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aaronpk okay then I can't use that as the local identfier for the post on my site
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tantek there's no logical room for "if "canonical" means canonical within the domain"
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tantek what is a local identifier on your site?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "local identifier on your site" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/104X
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aaronpk the confusion came from the mf2 wiki, which said "canonical" for uid on h-card but not for uid on h-entry
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aaronpk (also "uid" is not actually expanded to "universal id" there)
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aaronpk http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Properties "u-uid - unique entry ID"
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tantek that's a good point. uuid is used for that universally unique id
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tantek I'll make it explicit in both
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tantek "universally unique identifier, typically canonical URL"
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tantek done. thanks for the heads-up about the specific point of confusion!