#indiewebcamp 2015-12-08

2015-12-08 UTC
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KevinMarks_ that makes more sense Aaron
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KevinMarks_ and I could add that status handler to mine easily enough
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aaronpk cool
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+20) "make sending consistent with receiving" (view diff)
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gRegorLove What is 201?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "201" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108Y
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gRegorLove What is 202?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "202" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108Z
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aaronpk 201 is an HTTP status code used to indicate that a resource was created in response to the HTTP request.
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loqi.me created /201 (+131) "prompted by gRegorLove https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-07/line/1449534934320 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Ah, so the status URL is the resource that was created?
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aaronpk yep
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aaronpk 202 is an HTTP status code used to indicate that the request was received but processing is not yet completed.
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loqi.me created /202 (+137) "prompted by gRegorLove https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-07/line/1449534940721 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove So Location: is preferred over Status: ?
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aaronpk what's Status:?
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gregorlove.com edited /202 (+54) "see also" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I thought in the last conversation I participated in, we were discussing returning a Status: header
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gregorlove.com edited /201 (+54) "see also" (view diff)
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aaronpk no it was probably Link: <http://example.com/>; rel=status
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gRegorLove Oh right
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+448) "clarify how to check whether the source "links back"" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (-12) "target URL must match exactly" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+18) "clarify only one webmention endpoint is being discovered (#13)" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention-faq (+996) "multiple endpoints" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+156) "/* Verification */ verification is a MUST if the receiver is going to use the webmention, allowing receivers to avoid verification if not needed/wanted (#12)" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 @pNabbie @21stprincipal want kids to leave school with fully exportable data that they NOT districts or Pearson owns #edtechchat #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/674040376475414528)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://snarfed.org/client-side-reply-contexts-with-javascript http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/snarfed.org/client-side-reply-contexts-with-javascript
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bear does anyone have a set of curl commands that I can use to test if my indieauth flow is correct ?
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[snarfed] yeah that's not easy right now. kylewm would be interested too.
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[snarfed] project idea: step by step indieauth cli
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bear that was my idea also
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bear i'm trying to verify if the auth flow for indie-stats is working
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davidmead hi snarfed. did you mention an issue with bridgy & instagram mentions least week?
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /User:Ben.thatmustbe.me (+86) "/* Postly */ update my todo, reacji making top of the list now" (view diff)
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@rrrrrrrix @asmallteapot the webring thing is neat, and I like a lot of the indiewebcamp ideals that fall under this sort of thing, more and more (twitter.com/_/status/674054835457536000)
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[snarfed] hey davidmead! not that i know of. are you seeing something wrong?
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davidmead likes and comments from my instagram photos are showing up on my blog…
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ben_thatmustbeme oh wow, php regex to find emoji is actually really annoying
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ben_thatmustbeme apparently emoji are all over the place
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[snarfed] davidmead: as expected...?
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davidmead now i noticed the syndication link wasn’t getting added to the post, so i added them manually and got bridgy to crawl again, but nothing
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[snarfed] oh, they *aren't* showing up?
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[snarfed] they used to?
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davidmead they did on my Known site. Not on my WP site now
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davidmead sorry, yes *aren’t*
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[snarfed] OK
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[snarfed] does your bridgy user page say it's found the new syndication links?
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[snarfed] i can look in a bit
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davidmead yeah. https://brid.gy/instagram/davidjohnmead shows the links on Instagram, but says “No webmention targets”
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davidmead though i have had twitter mentions and likes show up https://brid.gy/twitter/davidmead, but it’s patchy
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davidmead not sure if some of the indieweb plugins may be conflicting
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[snarfed] does it say it's found a syndication link recently in the "Last polled" section?
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[snarfed] and does it have your WP blog URL above that?
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davidmead Last syndication link found 1 week, 3 days ago.
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davidmead Last webmention sent 6 days, 1 hour ago.
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davidmead it have by main url above that, next to the instagram url
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davidmead i did include the webmention urls in the <head> of my site
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[snarfed] is "main url" your WP URL?
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davidmead no
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GWG snarfed: Saw your issue. Easy fix.
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[snarfed] ah, that's it. add your WP URL to your Instagram profile and sign up for bridgy again
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davidmead ok
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[snarfed] thanks GWG!
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GWG snarfed, there is another issue that will affect the request for webmentions
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GWG The plugin honors the Allow Pings flag in WordPress
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GWG As of 4.3, it is off by default for pages
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GWG But you can manually enable by page
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davidmead gwg so i have to manually allow pings page by page in WP too?
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GWG davidmead: Pages as opposed to posts, yes. But I think there is a filter to enable them by default for new pages.
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davidmead oh. i don’t have any pages set up in WP. my homepage is a basic HTML one, not the WP one.
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bear [snarfed] - I just put a comment in your issue that shows how you can get to the raw data right now
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bear until I make this thing have a proper REST api
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GWG bear: What thing?
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bear indie-stats.com and it's large collection of historical html and mf2 data
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davidmead snarfed - i changed the URL on instagram and tried again, but nothing…
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davidmead just disabled the ‘Social plugin’ option to pull in comments and everything on bridgy lit up and it polling again
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GWG bear: Oh
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[snarfed] davidmead: now that bridgy has your wp url, try clicking crawl now
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davidmead snarfed - i think its an issue with MailChimp’s ‘Social’ WP plugin
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davidmead i think the only comments i got back from twitter was when i broadcast with their ‘reply’ field filled in
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davidmead my bridgy page for twitter is also pointing to my homepage and not the WP page
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[snarfed] right, then bridgy wouldn't send it twitter responses either
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kylewm bear: I don't know if it helps, but I have this script for getting a micropub access token https://github.com/kylewm/silo.pub/blob/master/scripts/do_get_micropub_access_token.py
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[snarfed] does social support Instagram?
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davidmead no
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davidmead just facebook & twitter afaik
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kylewm bear: the key bit is redirecting to https://github.io/kylewm/oob/
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kylewm bear: https://kylewm.github.io/oob/ rather
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bear kylewm - let me look at that - getting an access token does require auth, so that is at least 90% of what I need to test
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[snarfed] davidmead: looks like you're getting Instagram responses!
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davidmead i am now snarfed. i disabled the Social comment feature and they started coming in :)
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[snarfed] great! (probably unrelated, but no matter!)
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davidmead but twitter responses still not coming in snarfed. even after changing url on twitter
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davidmead i’ll let it go overnight and check it in the morning
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davidmead thanks for the help, as always
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[snarfed] did you sign up for bridgy again with twitter? and click crawl now?
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davidmead i did
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davidmead bridghy is showing the WP url, but still nothing
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davidmead i’m going to go through and make sure there’s a syndication link on those posts too
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@realmomsconfess Lots of fun stuff coming up this week! https://www.facebook.com/RealMommyConfessionsTheSeries/posts/561482560676098 #RealMommyConfessions #momlife #setlife #comedy #moms #indiefilm #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/674070274074148866)
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[snarfed] ah yup, worth checking
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[snarfed] huh, the crawl now button isn't crawling on your twitter account. I'll investigate
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kylewm snarfed: when you have a chance, will you see if you have an opinion on this? https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/issues/54
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kylewm and weigh in if you do :)
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snarfed the goal is to know explicitly which parser it's using, since they have different behavior...?
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kylewm yeah, to state explicitly
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snarfed cool, sgtm
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://snarfed.org/clustering-notifications http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/snarfed.org/clustering-notifications
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@jgmac1106 @MiaZamoraPhD @Bali_maha @chronicle @hastac social networks=syndication we must make deliberate effort to support open web #digped #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/674100793621028864)
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@t #IndieWebCamp SF hack day participants building the future of the web at #Mozilla last… (http://tantek.com/2015/341/t3/indiewebcamp-sf-building-future-web-mozilla) https://twitter.com/t/status/674106098954014720/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/674106098954014720)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+686) "/* Security and Privacy */ add note about limits (#18)" (view diff)
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tantek my second person-tag post: http://tantek.com/2015/341/t3/indiewebcamp-sf-building-future-web-mozilla
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kylewm tantek++ that's great!
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Loqi tantek has 265 karma
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tantek 8 of ~16 person-tags made it through to the FB POSSE copy
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tantek pretty happy about that
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@tinokremer Great stats from Bridgy, an important part of the #indieweb handling silo comments back feed to our websites, .. https://tinokremer.nl/2015/great-stats-from-bridgy-an-important-part-of-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/674110403757129728)
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snarfed tantek: cool!
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snarfed we can probably get the remaining 8 if we use FB's taggable friends API, https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE_to_Facebook#Mention_Tagging (bottom of section)
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snarfed it'd take some work, and no guarantee they'd grant us the permission, but it's doable. feel free to file a feature request!
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tantek snarfed - I don't understand how it's different
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snarfed we only know FB (app scoped) user ids for bridgy users
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snarfed we could get the rest from taggable friends (we think)
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tantek ok - from a user-perspective, I don't know how to file this as a different bug / feature request
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tantek I'm person-tagging with explicit FB profile URLs - assumed that would "just work"
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aaronpk wow seeing all this discussion really makes me not want to go anywhere near the facebook api
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snarfed tantek: yes. the UI wouldn't change, the work would be entirely under the hood
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snarfed aaronpk: yup. that's the right reaction.
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snarfed not entirely their fault; they probably have the single broadest and deepest feature set of any silo
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk and largest user base, which means they are the largest attack surface
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tantek ok I will tr
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tantek y
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kylewm snarfed: not to beat a dead horse, but any idea how you'd match up the FB URL with the firstname/lastname we'd get back from taggable_friends?
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kylewm for reference, it looks like this https://gist.github.com/kylewm/74d3423005ad1be5a050
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tantek snarfed: does this explain it well enough in a user-centric sorf of way? https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/568
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention (+652) "separate verification of the request vs the webmention content, add some language from #5" (view diff)
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snarfed kylewm: yeah, good point, no idea. that may be a showstopper
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snarfed tantek: sure! the API part would have been useful too, since we know that's how we'd do it, but no matter, that definitely describes the user feature. thanks!
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tantek I figured you could add the API details for the requested user feature :)
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@codebear did some bug fixes and added the start of an API to the https://indie-stats.com/ project for #indieweb -- still a work in progress (twitter.com/_/status/674117771706433536)
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tantek bear++
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Loqi bear has 87 karma
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bear the beginnings of an api - looking forward to people filing issues for new features
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cweiske bear, don't you see the login error?
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cweiske https://indie-stats.com/login
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bear cweiske - I do, working on what that is now
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bear I wasn't seeing it in my local tests so that I fixed it
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bear my hunch is that a dependency is out of date on the server
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tantek snarfed, kylewm, next-up for me & person-tagging is to figure out a way to immitate person-tagging on the Twitter POSSE copy of photos
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tantek I'm hoping that by experimenting and prototyping that I can come up with something straightforward for Bridgy Publish to do, or at least a recipe / functions for others to use when Bridgy Publishing a photo to Twitter
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KartikPrabhu what is person-tag?
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aaronpk i thought twitter supports proper person tagging now
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Loqi A person tag (AKA people tag) is a special kind of tag that refers to a specific person by URL rather than just a word or phrase, and is done as an explicit tag by the user, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink / h-card https://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag
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snarfed aaronpk: it does, but not via API
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tantek right that
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KartikPrabhu is person-tag only for photos?
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aaronpk oh ha
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tantek KartikPrabhu: no - it's for any post
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KartikPrabhu is confused about when to person-tag v/s simple mention?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: that's an faq
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tantek KartikPrabhu: e.g. https://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag#Should_Twitter_links_be_person-tags
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KartikPrabhu has it been answered somewhere except in the context of Twitter, which also seem arbitrary
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KartikPrabhu that answer seems to mean. No tags are not mentions
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KartikPrabhu but when do I tag someone vs mention them?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: if I say "photo" that's a mention of the word photo, whereas if I explicitly say "#photo" that's a tag of the term "photo".
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tantek same thing with people
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KartikPrabhu so it is mostly about markup
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KartikPrabhu ?
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tantek "#" is not markup
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tantek it has nothing to do with markup at the user level
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KartikPrabhu thinks it is
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tantek it's more like punctuation in prose
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aaronpk for me, I tag someone in a post if they are "in" the post somehow.
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: "in" the post meaning?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: if you're using a loose / liberal meaning of "markup" - it's a meaningless argument
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aaronpk for photos, it's when it's a photo of them. for notes, it's if the note is about them.
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aaronpk I might even person-tag a note and not mention the person's name in it at all.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: no. I am just asking when should I write a note "hi tantek" vs "hi #tantek"
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: yes, that is why i am confused
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KartikPrabhu I don't see when person-tags are supposed to be used
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tantek what aaronpk said
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tantek when the post is specifically about them
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snarfed kylewm: ahahaha we could use https://snarfed.org/2015-10-25_de-anonymizing-facebooks-app-scoped-ids to match mf2 person tags with taggable friends! since they have profile picture URLs
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KartikPrabhu "I might even person-tag a note and not mention the person's name in it at all." i don't see how you write a post about someone and then not mention them in the post but then tag them
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KartikPrabhu I guess I'll just put person-tag in my list of things not understood
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tantek KartikPrabhu: if you don't use person-tags yourself in existing behavior, then don't bother
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tantek it's that simple
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tantek when you start using it (e.g. on silos), I think you'll understand it
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KartikPrabhu i don't know how/when to use them and so I am not.
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tantek it's a very popular thing to do with photos
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tantek e.g. difference between "someone took the photo" and "someone is in the photo"
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: "I had a great time at IndieWebCamp last week" (person tagged with .....)
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tantek snarfed, do multiple "p-bridgy-twitter-content" elements get concatenated?
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snarfed tantek: huh, no, but that's a great feature request, i see the use
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tantek thinking: <p class="e-content p-bridgy-twitter-contentt">...</p> ... <p class="p-bridgy-twitter-content">...</p>
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tantek excellent use of prefix scoped mf2 class names btw
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snarfed oh that's a different use case than i imagined...but also good
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: here's an actual example http://aaron.pk/n4dt1
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tantek snarfed, in my particular use-case I'm going to provide tweet text and tweet virtual person-tags
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tantek where the virtual person-tags are NOT part of the e-content that goes to FB
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snarfed right!
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: oh thanks for the example. So you wanted to tag anomalily because she is related to the post/you wanted her to see it, but the content is not about her
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aaronpk in this case she was the one "overheard"
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KartikPrabhu yes! that example makes it more clear thanks
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tantek snarfed, do we have a top 10 API wishlist (fixes etc.) for FB's API?
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snarfed tantek: not that i'm aware of
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tantek e.g. creating comments, liking things, etc.
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tantek snarfed, I'd like to collect such things for both FB API, and Twitter API
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tantek so that if/when any one of us has a chance to ask 1:1 to representatives of those silos, we can ask for specifics
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tantek feel free to braindump (you too kylewm) and I'll wikify somehow
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snarfed sure!
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snarfed twitter's is basically, please add API support for all features launched after 2009, kthxbye
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tantek lol
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snarfed only half joking
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tantek y'all tweeted a bunch @-jack the other day
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tantek during that conference
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tantek if you could reconstruct that list I'd appreciate it!
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tantek tweet permalinks of each request would be even better!
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snarfed yup! my two were getting a tweet's favorites and replies
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tantek and I suppose add to that
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tantek * getting a tweet's quoted tweets
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tantek * getting a tweet's retweets
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tantek * setting / getting a tweet's person-tags
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snarfed getting a tweet's retweets is supported
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snarfed but the rest, no, at least not directly
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tantek interesting ok
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kylewm for FB, * return the post permalink URL in the response to publishing a post
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kylewm * find the ID of a post from its permalink URL (so I can like/reply to it)
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kylewm * publishing for events
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tantek kylewm: these are FBAPI right?
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tantek sorry since we mixed in Twitter
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kylewm yes
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tantek clarifying
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@pypi_updates ninka 0.3.2: Indieauth Toolkit https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ninka/0.3.2 (twitter.com/_/status/674127017810464768)
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kylewm * set a custom original URL for each post the way PESETAS from Instagram to Facebook does
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snarfed1 * not rewrite history by changing a "X posted this photo" post to "X posted n photos" (with same post id). https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/562#issuecomment-162368652
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snarfed * publishing shares
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snarfed * fix this long standing bug that replaces years with FB user ids in URLs returned by the API (no joke!) https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/368
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snarfed * support reading comments on event posts https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/49
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snarfed * stop serving opaque indistinguishable 400s to API calls for deleted accounts https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/210
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snarfed * stop regularly serving 404s/400s for API post requests for no reason we can tell https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/512
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aaronpk now you're just being greedy :P
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snarfed heh
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snarfed this is therapeutic
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kylewm :]
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snarfed * standardize on a single (or few) id formats, or at least document the existing ones, or at bare minimum stop adding more X
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snarfed er, X/
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/granary/blob/845afbbd521f7ba43b3339bcc1ce3afddd205047/granary/facebook.py#L1379
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snarfed k i'm done for now. enjoy tantek! :P
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snarfed and thanks for compiling!
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@levlaz RT @codebear: did some bug fixes and added the start of an API to the https://indie-stats.com/ project for #indieweb -- still a work in prog… (twitter.com/_/status/674130087030235140)
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matrrix snarfed: Does https://brid.gy/about#facebook-publish imply that if someone comments on a FB post that I have posted using Brid.gy won't get webmentioned back to my site? or is it the inverse that is affected?
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KartikPrabhu matrrix: brigy-publish is for publishing while (normal) bridgy is for backfeeds. If you are signed up for bridgy you can do both
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matrrix okay
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matrrix hmm, the backfeed isn't working for one of my bridgy-published posts...
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matrrix Actually, the things listed in Responses are from May
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bear sees cweiske testing the login code
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cweiske authentication failed
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cweiske at least no 500 anymore
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matrrix oh hecks
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bear yea, it says that the code returned from the auth providor is invalid
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matrrix I just had to make the post public
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matrrix is that supposed to be so?
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bear cweiske - oh! ignore my pm ping - it's because you run your own indieauth service
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bear I need to fix my validation code ...
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KartikPrabhu matrrix: I don't think bridgy has access to private posts
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KartikPrabhu which is a good thing
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matrrix Even when it is the one that posts it?
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KartikPrabhu yeah. the FB API might not give access to read private posts but can give access to post private posts. But i must defer to snarfed or kylewm on this one
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bear cweiske++ doing one early so I can do another in a couple minutes
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Loqi cweiske has 37 karma
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bear cweiske++ for being a very patient person while I debugged my indieauth code against his implementation
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bear cweiske++ for being a very patient person while I debugged my indieauth code against his implementation
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@pypi_updates ninka 0.3.3: Indieauth Toolkit https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ninka/0.3.3 (twitter.com/_/status/674151932353765376)
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bear k, way past my bedtime - thanks again for helping me test cweiske
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@artwisanggeni #python ninka 0.3.3: Indieauth Toolkit https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ninka/0.3.3 (twitter.com/_/status/674156530665525248)
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petermolnar !tell tantek http://www.centrical.com/test/google-json-ld-and-javascript-crawling-and-indexing-test.html kind of goes against js;dr :/ dislike
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@jgmac1106 @Bali_Maha @MiaZamoraPhD #CurateNetworks social networks should be the signals, possibly gathering place but content should be #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/674189188263096320)
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tantek who's interested in /Planning an IndieWebCamp in Florida in 2016? https://twitter.com/hectoriribarne/status/666290229742051329
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Loqi tantek: petermolnar left you a message 2 hours, 47 minutes ago: http://www.centrical.com/test/google-json-ld-and-javascript-crawling-and-indexing-test.html kind of goes against js;dr :/ dislike http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-08/line/1449569450618
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@hectoriribarne Are there any upcoming @indiewebcamp s in Florida? If so, I would like to know. #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/666290229742051329)
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@indiewebcamp RT @t: #IndieWebCamp SF hack day participants building the future of the web at #Mozilla last… (http://tantek.com/2015/341/t3/indiewebcamp-sf-building-future-web-mozilla) https://t.co/JNFlm… (twitter.com/_/status/674212586385186816)
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tantek petermolnar: worth investigating how they could confirm Google indexed anything, and yet "JSON-LD content fails to show up in the search results."
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GWG !tell tantek Interested in attending. I have family there I can stay with.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek GWG - awesome - can you add it to /Planning?
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Loqi tantek: GWG left you a message 2 minutes ago: Interested in attending. I have family there I can stay with. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-08/line/1449580899554
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GWG Working on designing my new contexts and kind presentation.
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tantek !tell GWG FYI I will be in NYC the weekend of the 19th-20th - might still be able to pull-off a one-day IWC NYC if we get a venue and rally a critical mass.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme so i'm trying to get a php regex to recognize "a single emoji character"
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ben_thatmustbeme and it is NOT straight forward
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ben_thatmustbeme D:
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ben_thatmustbeme especially since there are HTML representations of them as well as unicode ones
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ben_thatmustbeme GAH
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GWG tantek, Saturday is better for me. But I'd come out to say hi either way
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 8 minutes ago: FYI I will be in NYC the weekend of the 19th-20th - might still be able to pull-off a one-day IWC NYC if we get a venue and rally a critical mass. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-08/line/1449589607054
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GWG I am also free on Friday.
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ben_thatmustbeme OMG the multi-character unicode symbols make things even worse
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ben_thatmustbeme shoot me now
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ben_thatmustbeme now i'm leaning toward "anything with 4 or less characters
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ben_thatmustbeme will be a "reacji" because hollly crap this is confusing
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ben_thatmustbeme actually would allow for voting, "yes" / "no"
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmmmmmm
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ben_thatmustbeme but then i have to also check for html special characters
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, single word responses?
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ben_thatmustbeme doesn't seem desirable
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aaronpk how about once you get a second response identical to an existing one then you group them
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aaronpk so if someone replied "cool" it would show up as a comment, but if someone else replied "cool" after then it would group them and show a counter
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petermolnar ben_thatmustbeme you might want to take a look at utf8mb4 https://mathiasbynens.be/notes/mysql-utf8mb4
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: i thought about that as an option
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ben_thatmustbeme petermolnar: thanks also from that "This doesn’t just affect the 𝌆 character, but more important symbols like U+01F4A9 PILE OF POO (💩) ""
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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Loqi awesome
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aaronpk alternate option, use an emoji library like twemoji to turn emoji into img tags, then group responses by img tag
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aaronpk well this is odd, for some reason my mysql won't let me enter 💩even though it says the column is utf8mb4
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aaronpk oh you have to set the whole table to utf8mb4 too
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, mine won't either
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ben_thatmustbeme set the table, the entire DB
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ben_thatmustbeme the field
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ben_thatmustbeme not working
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aaronpk did you do the optimize table thing so that it rebuilds it?
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ben_thatmustbeme not a sysadmin on that machine
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ben_thatmustbeme so no
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ben_thatmustbeme oh wait, don't need to be do i
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aaronpk it's a mysql command, not sure if it requires mysql root access
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, tried that,
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ben_thatmustbeme looks like there are some my.cnf things that need to change
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ben_thatmustbeme those i cannot do
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aaronpk i didn't need to change my.cnf for mine. i think that just sets up defaults for new tables.
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@iboxifoo @zeldman #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/674270957628878848)
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ben_thatmustbeme SHOW VARIABLES WHERE Variable_name LIKE 'character\_set\_%' OR Variable_name LIKE 'collation%';
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ben_thatmustbeme getting character_set_server as latin1
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GWG Server went down for a few
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GWG tantek: Think we could talk any of the Boston contingent into stopping by NYC?
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ben_thatmustbeme my hosting provider is normally pretty good about getting back to me quickly on tickets
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tantek mine too
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tantek GWG maybe? especially if we did it as one day that they could train in and out for without an overnight stay
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GWG The bus is only $10 if you buy in advance
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tantek I'm going to be asking the Mozilla folks this week in Orlando
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GWG Nonstop South Station
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tantek a bunch work in Brooklyn and Manhattan
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GWG to Javitts Center
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GWG Keep me posted
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GWG If not, I'll stop by and see you just to say hi
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tantek Let's both ping Zilar again to see if he can come up with something for just the 19th
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GWG I am certain he isn't with the Times anymore.
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GWG But he might have ideas.
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tantek right, he still has contacts
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KevinMarks_ did the gifs not work out?
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aaronpk haven't processed them yet
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention#Extensions FYI aaronpk
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aaronpk oh thanks
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tantek since those are the only two actually documented / specificed / and very well interoperably implemented extensions so far
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tantek "property" is more of an experiment than an extension, it doesn't even have an extension spec yet
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tantek and thus because it is not even close the level of quality / progress as Vouch and Salmention, "property" does not deserve any consideration to be in core
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aaronpk hm where is Salmention written up?
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tantek oops
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aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/salmentions doesn't have a spec
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tantek I thought it was there
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aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/comment-propagation is close
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tantek but people have implemented it!
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aaronpk so what exactly are people implementing from then?
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tantek digging that up right now
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tantek remember it was used to pass SWAT0!
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tantek so you implemented part of it yourself!
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tantek (I think)
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aaronpk I think my part of swat0 didn't require supporting it
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tantek oh
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KevinMarks_ reads scrollback
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KevinMarks_ Google indexing js injected content and not JSON-LD is actually logical from a UX pov as the former is sen by users
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KevinMarks_ MySQL still not groking utf8 is depressing but unsurprising
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KevinMarks_ spent ages on utf8 in MySQL a dozen years ago
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tantek aaronpk ^^^
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tantek now just to move the relevant spec text from comment-propagation to /Salmentions and reword it to handle all responses (e.g. tags, likes like SWAT0 does)
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snarfed PSA for anyone interested in getting a new silo into bridgy: i've added instructions on how to do it: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy#adding-a-new-silo
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aaronpk snarfed++ great docs!
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Loqi snarfed has 181 karma
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snarfed looking forward to seeing people add snapchat, tinder, and yo!
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aaronpk ha
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davidpeach evenin all
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@withknown Why did we build Known? http://werd.io/2015/why-is-known-the-best-way-to-solve-your-community #edtech #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/674290849430147072)
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@benwerd Why is Known the best way to solve your community pain? #edtech #indieweb http://werd.io/2015/why-is-known-the-best-way-to-solve-your-community (twitter.com/_/status/674288862428987392)
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gRegorLove ben_thatmustbeme: Tried SET NAMES 'utf8' after connecting?
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gRegorLove or utf8mb4, more likely
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snarfed hey davidpeach
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gRegorLove If the table character set and collation are correct, that's usually the only other step I've needed to do before inserting Unicode
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gRegorLove Ha. Is Yo! still a thing?
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gRegorLove Heh "Yo is a social application for iOS, Android, and Windows Phone. Initially, the application's only function was to send the user's friends the word "yo" as a text and audio notification,[1] but it has since been updated to enable users to attach links and location to their Yo's.[2][3]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo_(app)
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gRegorLove Yo takes its first step to eventually reading email
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegorLove: i did, no luck
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petermolnar ben_thatmustbeme, aaronpk http://pastebin.com/qyEGqkv3 for the mysql utf8mb4 thing; this is one of the wordpress tables, apparently accepting 💩 for me
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@STRTSF Why did we build Known? http://werd.io/2015/why-is-known-the-best-way-to-solve-your-community #edtech #indieweb: Why did we build Known? http://werd.io/2015/why-is-known-the-best-way-to-solve-your-community… http://matter.vc/why-did-we-build-known-httpst-cotbwbm2jqk5-edtech-indieweb/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/674299975023525888)
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petermolnar KevinMarks_ I remember converting data from WINDOWS 1250 to to utf8; man, those were the days! /s
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KevinMarks_ I set up the db at technorati to use utf8 from the start, before mysql supported it explicitly
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KevinMarks_ when they added 'support' it broke things a lot
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ben_thatmustbeme petermolnar: still nothing, i'm pretty certain there are setting in my.cnf that are old and need to be updated
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: what version of mysql out of curiosity?
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ben_thatmustbeme 5.5.46
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petermolnar by the way, anyone here on php 7 already?
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aaronpk on my 5.5.23 I managed to get it to not complain about invalid characters when I enter, but they show up as ???? when I view it
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: same here
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aaronpk petermolnar: not yet. I'm still on 5.6, probably won't switch to 7 for a while
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ben_thatmustbeme it doesn't just show up as ???? it looks like it CHANGES it to ???? for me
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: yeah I wasn't sure if that was an artifact of my client or what
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KevinMarks_ it has some backward compatibility bullshit on by default
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Zegnat petermolnar: I am on PHP 7
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petermolnar any experiences, pitfalls, opinions, issues?
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Zegnat All my own code just kept running, so not really. But that is with a relatively "young" codebase, no PHP 5.4 compatibility that might have gotten deprecated
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@kevinmarks Hm, @Poynter @mkramer isn't that a feed reader with no choice of feeds? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/674315324309692416)
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Zegnat But obviously YMMV, so read the migration guide. It isn’t as long of a read as you might think. And it can save you a lof of headaches in the end. E.g. they changed JSON parsers which might lead to bugs if you are pulling external data
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KevinMarks_ deciding that utf8 only allowed 3 characters at a time was the daft part
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KevinMarks_ you may need to add SET NAMES utf8mb4 on the client or it will mung back to the previous 3-byte only utf8
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KevinMarks_ wow, they actually store 3 bytes/char in utf8 columns? how fucked up is that
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aaronpk string encoding is hard
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KevinMarks_ and 4 bytes in utfmb4
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KevinMarks_ why not just sue utf32 then?
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Zegnat I have been using utf8mb4 ever since I read this article by Mathias in 2012 (2012!!!): https://mathiasbynens.be/notes/mysql-utf8mb4
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KevinMarks_ or is that just bad docs?
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KevinMarks_ ah, ti just bad docs
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KevinMarks_ or is it bad implementation of indexes?
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks_: tried the SET NAMES bit, no luck, i've tried a number of ways, the server itself is set without support for it
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KevinMarks_ https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/charset-unicode-upgrading.html
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KevinMarks_ seems to imply that indexes do some kind fo brain-dead parsing of the fields
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ben_thatmustbeme once thats done, i think i have a way to recognize <any set of 1-4 emoji> (as some are multi-character compositions) or any single html special characters in that range
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ben_thatmustbeme i might expand it to any html special char, not sure
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KevinMarks_ flags are a composition
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KevinMarks_ as are skin-coded ones
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ben_thatmustbeme just match /^&[^;]+;$/
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KevinMarks_ also lesbians
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ben_thatmustbeme any of the family or group ones are as well
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ben_thatmustbeme those use 4 to compose all the faces in them
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/velartrill/status/669813070508650498/photo/1
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ben_thatmustbeme kinda crazy
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@velartrill in which the unicode standard explains how to type lesbians [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/669813070508650498)
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/velartrill/status/669942330200223744/photo/1
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KevinMarks_ so gay kisses are 8 unicode chars
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KevinMarks_ m̶̤͙͕͉̣̘͎̰̭̫̱͍̖͔ͣ̑ͯ̂̉̀̂ͩͪ̓ͦ̓͢ͅy̡͇͇̖̠͙͇̱̪̪̤͆ͬ̇̄ͮ̊̎ͪ̈́ͩ͂ͮͨ̀͝͠s̡̡͌͋ͦ̆͊ͨ̈͋͗͊ͩ̽͗̈́̐́҉͇̜̜͎̭̺͓̹̥̜͎̯q̵̶̣̦̟̗̦̠̖̯̩̲̲͒̏͌̎ͣ͌͆̽ͫͤ̈́ͬͪͧͤ̑́͝l̨̤̤̝̖͓̭͚̜͐͒ͣͪ̾̾̋̅̓̑ͦͯͬ̕̕
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KevinMarks_ hm, zalgo has gained more square boxes on my mac
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ben_thatmustbeme and you just made my IRC client freak
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snarfed yeah that's some serious zalgo
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snarfed KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 187 karma
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snarfed zalgo++
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KevinMarks_ can you combine floating accents with emoji?
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snarfed h͏̝̲͕͓m̜̙̟͔̣̫m̛̪̤̻̯͔͎͙.̫͉̪̺ ҉͓s̛̬̪̮̲̘o̟͔̤̦̗̯͟m̯̱͔e͟w͚̟̹͇̻̜ͅh̺͎͖̺̯̰̹a͕̭͎̫͉̲̜͞t͇̪.̤̞͍̰̟̞ 🐸͓͎͙͓̳💩̩̖̥̫̫ͅ❤̜͙̥̝̲️̭
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Zegnat KevinMarks_, it will not let me combine them here. Though I am not sure if that is Unicode or Apple blocking it
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Zegnat How did you get that done, snarfed ?
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aaronpk hopes his irclog database supports mb4
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ben_thatmustbeme http://www.unicode.org/emoji/charts/emoji-zwj-sequences.html
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ben_thatmustbeme that was the list i had seen
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ben_thatmustbeme but 8.... hmmm
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snarfed Zegnat, M-x butterfly. https://xkcd.com/378/
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ben_thatmustbeme heh
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snarfed (ok it was mostly http://www.eeemo.net/ )
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ben_thatmustbeme oh yeah, those all have control character between them, so they are are all 8 char
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ben_thatmustbeme is 8 char the max??
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ben_thatmustbeme i doubt it, they probably will want skin tone for all of those too
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aaronpk pretty soon this spec is just gonna end up describing bitmaps
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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ben_thatmustbeme start with control sequence .... then encode each block of bits as a character until ...
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kylewm clears throat https://kylewm.com/gaffigan.jpg
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ben_thatmustbeme wonders if he should actually check for ZWJ and VARIATION SELECTOR to make sure i'm not just getting multiple Emoji right next to each other
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ben_thatmustbeme *head hurts*
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aaronpk someone must have solved this already
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ben_thatmustbeme not that i have found
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aaronpk what about the twemoji library?
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aaronpk i assume that's the one being used on twitter.com so it must be pretty good
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ben_thatmustbeme http://code.iamcal.com/php/emoji/ this might help part of it
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aaronpk that's likely the one Slack is using
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ben_thatmustbeme twemoji is not php, which i need
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ben_thatmustbeme most things are JS stuff to just fix things up on the front end
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aaronpk you could at least use it as a reference
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ben_thatmustbeme "bash: /usr/bin/firefox: Input/output error"
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ben_thatmustbeme WHAAAAA???
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ben_thatmustbeme su -
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ben_thatmustbeme Bus error (core dumped)
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ben_thatmustbeme oh boy
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ben_thatmustbeme i may not be back, going to try to restart
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ben_thatmustbeme this should be fun
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KevinMarks_ jf2ͫͥͨͬͦ
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KevinMarks_ maybe that's better as jf2ͦͬͨͥͫ
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KevinMarks_ only aeioucdhmrtvx so limited number of words
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aaronpk any wordpress people know why the syndication parameter would not be coming through? https://github.com/aaronpk/OwnYourGram/issues/20
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cweiske oh. firefox os is stopped: http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/08/mozilla-will-stop-developing-and-selling-firefox-os-smartphones/
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ben_thatmustbeme aw, thats a shame
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kylewm aaronpk: can you make sure i characterized your suggestion correctly there?^
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KevinMarks_ foͫrͥmͨaͬtͦs
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KevinMarks_ hm, the t messes that up
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ben_thatmustbeme argh.... The character's code point is U+200D zero width joiner (HTML &#8205; · &zwj;)
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ben_thatmustbeme it has an html format for ZWJ damnit!
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tantek KevinMarks - perhaps #indiechat? Unless you're specifically testing archives?
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KevinMarks_ FOͫRͥMͨAͬTͦS
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KevinMarks_ I was looking at the log, yes
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[aaronpk] kylewm: yes that's it. I did add the jf2 suggestion right below that too
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tantek !tell ben_thatmustbeme when you were implementing Salmention sending, what spec / page / instructions did you follow?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell aaronpk when you were implementing Salmention receiving, what spec / page / instructions did you follow?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek per https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0#mapping_to_indieweb
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aaronpk hmm so I did the part where I had to recognize that a post was updated when I received a webmention that I had received before
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: when you were implementing Salmention receiving, what spec / page / instructions did you follow? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-08/line/1449611175094
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aaronpk which is partly here https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Updating_existing_webmentions
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tantek right - that's salmention receiving
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tantek interesting - did that already make it into the core? I mean it makes sense obv as part of SWAT0
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aaronpk well it's just webmention update handling. not sure it needs its own name
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aaronpk i think it's always been there
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, i don't remember actually
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: tantek left you a message 3 minutes ago: when you were implementing Salmention sending, what spec / page / instructions did you follow? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-08/line/1449611149930
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ben_thatmustbeme for salmention that is
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tantek aaronpk: ah - that's different
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tantek that's specifically just for updates from the source itself
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aaronpk that's what receiving a salmention is
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tantek intended to scope to just that h-entry, its content
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ben_thatmustbeme i believe i just send a webmention whenever i update at all
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tantek whereas extending that to the *childern* of an h-entry, e.g. comments on that h-entry, that's the Salmention piece
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ben_thatmustbeme which includes children
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aaronpk "it SHOULD update any existing data it picked from source for the existing webmention" doesn't mention h-entry or anything
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tantek aaronpk - indeed it's vague - yet the intent was "existing data" really only assumed the h-entry directly, not including its children
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aaronpk well it just says "source" so it's pretty vague and doesn't really communicate that intent IMO
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tantek Salmention makes that explicit, that you must check the h-entry AND its children for updates
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tantek agreed
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tantek so the question is whether we should make that explicit in the core spec, or leave it to an extension
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tantek (to be explicit)
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aaronpk I think the explicit language around posts and comments should be in the Salmention extension and that's a good justification for the extension existing
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aaronpk fwiw adding the code to handle checking for updated children added quite a lot of complexity to my webmention processing, and it is not even a complete implementation of it
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tantek should "Updating existing webmentions" explicitly mention properties of the h-entry as a minimum viable/required/MUST aspect then, and then MAY for checking for updated children?
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tantek and then the Salmention extension can make checking for updated children a MUST
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tantek just trying to find out a good incremental separation here
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aaronpk it would have to mention it in vocab-agnostic terms such as "properties of the object on the page" or something, since the webmentioned document may not be HTML+microformats
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tantek aaronpk - sure, we can start with that
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tantek properties of the primary object on the page
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tantek of the page
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aaronpk but, is there value to not requiring that behavior?
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aaronpk making implementations easier?
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tantek only if an implementation has value without it
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tantek in general, specs work better (get better interop) with fewer features, all being required / MUSTS
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aaronpk so the question then is how many current webmention handlers check for updates?
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tantek and do something with them?
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aaronpk right
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aaronpk up until the SWAT0 demo I treated an update naively, just replacing the existing content from the page with the new content, but the notification was the same as the first time it came in
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ben_thatmustbeme well, this may help me out actually http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/index.html#def_emoji_sequence
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ben_thatmustbeme i just need the range for all those
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tantek aaronpk - I think that's a reasonable implementation of updates
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ben_thatmustbeme and i'm good
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tantek the key thing is that the MAY for checking children of the object could there provide the "for example, to support Salmentions" (spec link)
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tantek that would help with incremental implementability
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tantek being able to "complete" an implementation of Webmention without Salmentions, then later add support for it
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tantek I'll try some wording
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tantek.com edited /Webmention (+466) "/* Updating existing webmentions */ expand upon webmention update implementation requirements, may, and if so, MUST support Salmentions" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk ^^^
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tantek note the way the SHOULD / MUST + MAY / MUST interactions work
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aaronpk interesting
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aaronpk and referencing an extension as a MUST is okay?
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bear the way tantek words it works for me
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tantek aaronpk - it's a MUST conditionalized on a MAY
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bear the MUST is nestled nicely in the part about the optional implementation in the MAY part
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aaronpk yeah i just mean that if someone were to develop an extension that worked in a different way it woudln't be possible to reference it then
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tantek that's the point, it says you MUST at a minimum support direct properties, but may support more, but if you support more, you MUST do so this way
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tantek correct - by default for interop we assume there is no need to develop an extension that worked in a different way
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tantek because the assumption of "an extension that worked in a different way" leads to *less* interop by default
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tantek and is thus undesirable
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tantek as a *default*
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aaronpk so it's extensions for the purpose of eventually coming to consensus on a single spec
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aaronpk makes sense
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aaronpk and also encourages more implementations since each piece is smaller
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bear nods
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tantek not even "eventually", but rather, consensus by default, and raising the barrier for other options to require s a good use-case with good data
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tantek yes re: encourages more implementations since each piece is smaller
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tantek this is a key way of designing modularity into specs
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bear setting the tone for small but purposefully composed modules is key
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bear at least in the dozens of failed specs i've witnessed over time
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tantek bear - exactly
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tantek I too have witnessed far too many failed spaghetti specs
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tantek where you think you're done, and then there's a *requirement* to implement a whole another spec
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bear the xmpp community is digging out from that tech debt by forcing new specs to be tighter focused
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tantek whereas this way, in the "core" spec, the "feature" is a MAY (which means, STOP HERE by default), and if/when you do decide to venture further, here is how to do so
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bear +1
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tantek it also forces the core spec to be functional WITHOUT extensions
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tantek to be functionally useful
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aaronpk sounds like the opposite approach to modularity than OAuth 2 took :P
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tantek otherwise you end up with monolithic outcomes
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bear that part is missed by a lot of folks - how important it is for the core spec to just-work
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tantek also why it is good to reject by default experimental additions like "property"
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bear later, if a extension ends up being always implemented and of such value, it can be folded into the core
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bear but then that is a purposeful choice driven by implementors
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ben_thatmustbeme i think i have ithttp://pastebin.com/YDGJUwRA
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ben_thatmustbeme s/ithttp/it http/
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: i think i have it http://pastebin.com/YDGJUwRA
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ben_thatmustbeme and thats not even following all the possible options just a simplified one for all those currently used
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ben_thatmustbeme i think
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KevinMarks_ yikes
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KevinMarks_ seems like a new category needs adding to regex
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aaronpk omg ben pleaes put that into a small library
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KevinMarks_ like \e for emoji and \E for not emoji
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KevinMarks_ does \s match all the unicode spaces?
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tantek bear - if the modularity succeeds, it's less work to leave it modular!
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tantek e.g. note that HTML does not include all of HTTP as a big thing
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ben_thatmustbeme Yeah I plan to put that in a tiny lib
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aaronpk that reminds me
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@jgmac1106 @withknown #edtech #indieweb I told you @benwerd is a professional just switches syntaxes to help us all be better writers. (twitter.com/_/status/674356889447084032)
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aaronpk !tell benwerd you might be interested in some of the changes I'm making to the mention-client library API: https://github.com/aaronpk/mention-client-php
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar reading back, so re KevinMarks_ : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags 1st answer for all the niceness of utf
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bengo Have y'all tried Medium's 'import from URL' for POSSEing to there?
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bengo was kinda cool to use yesterdya
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KevinMarks_ yes, mostly works
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bengo https://medium.com/@bengo/bengo-is-back-4fdb5f2b7e41#.jpdbdxogo
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KevinMarks_ though it can get dates wrong
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bengo Yeah I just had to edit some of the code blocks in lists and stuff
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KevinMarks_ I've had it mangle heading nesting too
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KevinMarks_ it uses readability to grab the post content
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bengo Fun to get responses: https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/congrats-on-joining-the-web-again-c3a362e9392d#.pplnxy8zs
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bengo ah good to know
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aaronpk what about ascii reactions? :-) :-(
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KevinMarks_ my new game with medium is to POSSE very old blogposts there when I am reminded of them
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KevinMarks_ eg https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/if-google-predicts-your-future-will-it-be-a-cliché-405bb573de92#.au6zwzfvb
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KevinMarks_ medium strips out <super>
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KevinMarks_ fail
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aaronpk lol! why does bridgy think my URL is micropub.net?
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aaronpk https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/aaronpk/674360706083323909/674361561775869954
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aaronpk it's in my bio, but i've set my URL to aaronparecki.com
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snarfed we're promiscuous and take all URLs in your profile
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snarfed https://brid.gy/twitter/aaronpk
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aaronpk after following redirects apparently too
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snarfed always
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aaronpk okay then why is micropub.net first?
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aaronpk (and the only one visibly linked in that HTML)
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aaronpk seems like a reasonable choice to prioritize the one in the actual URL field
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snarfed i don't try to order them at all
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snarfed and the visible html in those mf2 pages is low low priority
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aaronpk feature request: visibly link the profile URL and put it first in the list, and treat other URLs in the bio as alternate URLs and make them show up after
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tantek.com created /2015/MIT/Planning (+1333) "move to its own page from /Planning" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning () "(-1253) move past MIT planning to its own page" (view diff)
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snarfed understood...but out of curiosity, why?
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aaronpk also I feel like this changed recently?
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snarfed other than aesthetics
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aaronpk because now my comments on my posts look like they came from micropub.net
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aaronpk because most webmention consumers only care about the first author URL
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aaronpk scroll down: http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/12/08/2/
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aaronpk and my notifications said "micropub.net commented on your post"
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snarfed aha, the rendered author in wm displays
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snarfed yeah true
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snarfed odd, you're right, it doesn't seem like this has been broken for long, but i don't know what would have changed recently
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snarfed sigh
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snarfed thanks for the nudge
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@schiessle Impressive list of sites & content that just disappeared. Good to know that this can't happen to me https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/674363577625657344)
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