#indiewebcamp 2016-01-26

2016-01-26 UTC
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@fredho02 just reading more about #indieweb on @screengui_de thanks to @marcthiele ... magazine lay on a pile, now i'm interested. Escape to aerth! (twitter.com/_/status/691777586800791552)
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@ChrisAldrich .@christi3k Throw in some #indieweb goodness and you also get notifications/pings that @Medium doesn't have either http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/691778001399324673)
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Loqi [mention] http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/christi3k-throw-in-some-indieweb-goodness-and-you-also-get commented '.@christi3k Throw in some #indieweb goodness and you also get notifications/ping...' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress
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@rrrrrrrix Anyways I'm headed in to SF to work on indieweb things at @interval, feel free to join me. (twitter.com/_/status/691778210196017154)
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@fredho02 Hey @bastianallgeier was just reminded of your "planet aerth" after getting more into the #indieweb thing ... https://twitter.com/fredho02/status/691778373245337601/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/691778373245337601)
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davidjohnmead.com blog edited /Medium (+309) "/* POSSE */" (view diff)
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@davidmead 1st post I syndicated to @Medium was https://t.co/Ws92EpikJE, re @davewiner's post http://scripting.com/liveblog/users/davewiner/2016/01/20/0900.html #IndieWeb #OpenWeb #POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/691790676296667137)
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@mickymetts Webmentions are a key part of the IndieWeb movement - http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention - and Drupal should certainly support them! @drupalplanet (twitter.com/_/status/691792305343336449)
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GWG Evening
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@agaric @drupalassoc @DrupalNonProfit @drupalni @drupal_org - IndieWeb is all about community and sharing information. https://twitter.com/mickymetts/status/691792305343336449 (twitter.com/_/status/691793624099594240)
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matrrix Is there a way to get a username/password for the IWC wiki along with using indieauth? I do most of my editing on a machine lacking a browser capable of doing indieauth...
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matrrix tries signing up on his phone and looking for a password reset doodad.
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matrrix hmm, is there no signup to just get my username? my indieauth signup is my domain rather than pulling my h-card?
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matrrix Also the email confirmation mail has a delivery delay
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gRegorLove matrrix: There's no username/password login to the wiki by design, AFAIK
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@scottros going to homebrew website club SF Weds eve to look at Indieweb ways of building project we worked on at #hhconnect https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/691833241075064835)
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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GWG Good evening, tantek
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matrrix gRegorLove: So I am stuck with using my indieauth domain as my wiki User name?
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tantek had a good flight back from EWR, coded up a hacky bit of # hashtag -> p-category automatic markup
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tantek hmm - looks like Loqi dropped off at 7:42 PST today?
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tantek lol no offline mode
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matrrix And am unable to use for example https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Emacs_Mediawiki without a username/password to edit the wiki :/
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GWG tantek: Glad you had a nice flght
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tantek catches up on logs
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tantek this is a good "why" answer: https://twitter.com/christi3k/status/691748494827073536
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@christi3k On my blog I have control & agency. Full server logs, ability to block abusive referrers, control of comments. (twitter.com/_/status/691748494827073536)
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GWG We should make a note of that.
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Loqi +1
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tantek.com edited /why (+276) "Control and agency - Christie Koehler" (view diff)
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GWG I miss that podcast she used to do.
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pfefferle good morning all
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Loqi pfefferle: [snarfed] left you a message 1 week ago: ugh, sorry for the trouble! looks like you've hit <https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/479 , which we sadly haven't found a good answer for yet. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-21/line/1450718032933
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Loqi pfefferle: tantek left you a message on 1/4 at 4:02pm: what is the easiest way to add rel=me to a WordPress blog without having to make theme changes? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-04/line/1451952137821
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Loqi pfefferle: GWG left you a message on 1/4 at 5:26pm: What do you think about the idea of the Indieweb plugin creating a unified settings area for any of the plugins included in it? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-04/line/1451957187673
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@indiewebcamp RT @christi3k On my blog I have control & agency. Full server logs, ability to block abusive referrers, control of comments. (twitter.com/_/status/691907519741071360)
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tantek welcome back pfefferle :)
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Zegnat tantek, not sure if you were interested in the Owark archiving plugin too, but: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-25/line/1453752823849
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tantek saw that - has anyone successfully got it working?
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Zegnat I haven’t gotten to deploying yet. Not sure about brandonrozek
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tantek alright, totally hacky #-hashtag auto-tagging support deployed, now to see if Bridgy Publish to Flickr picks it up
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Jeena tantek, what do you write your scripts for your website in, which language?
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tantek CASSIS if I can, and then if not, just PHP
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tantek it worked! https://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/23995162453/ all the tags there were automatically added by Bridgy Publish based on the p-category markup it found in the original post which was all added automatically from recognizing the #-hasthtags in the text :)
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Jeena "A Modeling Language for Customizable User Interface Designs" never heard of it, sounds interesting
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tantek wait what
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tantek where did you see that Jeena?
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tantek what is CASSIS?
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Loqi CASSIS, short for Client And Server Scripting Implementation Subset, is an intersection of the syntaxes of Javascript and PHP, as well as an open source library, cassis.js, that enables writing code once, and having it natively execute in both JS and PHP https://indiewebcamp.com/CASSIS
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tantek Jeena ^^^
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petermolnar what is abusive referrer?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "abusive referrer" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CQ
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petermolnar I've seen that phrase before, still don't get it
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Jeena tantek, http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-662-44811-3_15
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Jeena petermolnar, perhaps it is something simmilar to "referrer spamming" like this guys uses the word? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10952369
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petermolnar I've seen that one as well, it makes even less sense
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pfefferle tantek :)
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pfefferle !tell GWG I like the idea! it might be less complex for users to have all settings in one place...
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle tantek rel-me links were part of the wordpress core, but they disabled it... you can reactivate it with this plugin: https://wordpress.org/plugins/link-manager/
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voxpelli pfefferle++
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Loqi pfefferle has 14 karma
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voxpelli didn't know they deactivated the blogroll by default, that was such a core blog feature back in the day
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petermolnar pfefferle ? that plugin is not what you think it is
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petermolnar also, one line is enough to re-activate it: add_filter( 'pre_option_link_manager_enabled', '__return_true' );
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voxpelli sometimes a plugin is easier than one line of code :)
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pfefferle petermolnar why is it not what I think it is?
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petermolnar blogroll never was for rel-me
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pfefferle petermolnar they fully support XFN with rel-me
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petermolnar valid point, but that smells like a hack to me
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pfefferle saw your merge request... I think you missed the URL scheme for last.fm
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petermolnar oh
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petermolnar sorry if I did
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petermolnar I'll double check
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pfefferle can you add it, then I will merge your request
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pfefferle thanks for your work, that is indeed better than reactivate the links feature
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petermolnar it will probably need polishing
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voxpelli problem with many wordpress widget approaches is that they are added on all pages and thus creates rel-me links on non-profile pages which is pretty bad :P
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petermolnar I never liked widgets to be honest
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petermolnar voxpelli that is entirely up to the theme
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petermolnar and actually I have my rel-me in the footer
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petermolnar on every page
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voxpelli oh, that's not right
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petermolnar why?
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voxpelli unless all pages on your site are profile pages
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petermolnar why is it not right? those are contact links on a personal page
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voxpelli petermolnar: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-me
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voxpelli "rel="me" is used on hyperlinks from one page about a person to other pages about that same person. "
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pfefferle petermolnar a blog might have more than one user/author
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petermolnar voxpelli on the very page you've linked the example of tantek is present on all of his pages...
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voxpelli on non-profile pages one has to use something like rel-author instead to indicate an author relation between a content page and a profile page
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petermolnar pfefferle true, but my page is my page only
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pfefferle but I think we should support multiuser
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petermolnar in the widget, it is
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pfefferle nice
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petermolnar at least
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pfefferle and the header links?
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petermolnar that is optional, isn't it?
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pfefferle I think I have to have a deeper look at your pull request
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pfefferle :)
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voxpelli petermolnar: can't find a better wiki page reference right now, but I would suggest checking with someone like tantek or aaronpk – as far as I've understood a rel-me on a page always indicates that it's a profile page
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petermolnar that's mean that both http://aaronparecki.com/ and http://tantek.com/ are profile pages
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pfefferle the OpenID link for example prints all relevant headers to a blogs profile page, for example http://notizblog.org/author/matthias-pfefferle/ and there is a global setting, where I can set the blog as a singleuser blog... this setting adds the headers also to the root url...
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petermolnar s/that's mean/that means/
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: that means that both http://aaronparecki.com/ and http://tantek.com/ are profile pages
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pfefferle I mean the openid plugin
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pfefferle perhaps we can re-use this functionality
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voxpelli petermolnar: yes, the front-page is most often the profile page, but not eg. article pages
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voxpelli and in eg. my case both my front-page and my about-page are profile pages and they are linked together with rel-me to indicate that they represent the same user
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@kevinmarks @billrod see http://indiewebcamp.com - get organisers together and schedule one, or join the upcoming events (twitter.com/_/status/691944207729233921)
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petermolnar so meta pages are profile pages, singulars are not
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pfefferle I would only use home and author pages
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voxpelli I would say the same as pfefferle
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voxpelli and the home page only if it's a single user site, otherwise only author pages
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petermolnar I don't think I can stand behind this; rel-me for me is contact information, and displaying them in the footer removes the need of at least on click for the visitor
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voxpelli nope, rel-me is _not_ for contact information – it's for identity consolidation
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voxpelli petermolnar: see eg. http://gmpg.org/xfn/and/#idconsolidation
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pfefferle brb
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voxpelli it's used by RelMeAuth / IndieAuth to consolidate a users identity across services and find usable ways to sign in
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petermolnar voxpelli I understand it; yet nowadays, when rel-me points to a silo, it's a contact option
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voxpelli and that's how it was used by eg. Google's Social Graph API as well
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voxpelli I disagree a lot
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voxpelli XFN in general was and is used to define relationships between users and nothing else
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voxpelli for relationship between content and users there's rel-author and the like
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voxpelli without such a distinction something like the Social Graph API (I eg. made such a one myself https://github.com/voxpelli/relspider) becomes impossible
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Zegnat for what it is worth, tantek uses rel-author to link to his profile page (homepage in his case) from subpages
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voxpelli and the mechanisms behind RelMeAuth / IndieAuth becomes somewhat weird when one can suddenly log in to a page through any URL, even blog articles and the likes
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voxpelli yeah, what tantek does there is the right way, thanks Zegnat :)
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bunnywabbit_ hello there :-)
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petermolnar hi bunnywabbit_
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bunnywabbit_ I've got questions :-)
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GWG Morning
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Loqi GWG: pfefferle left you a message 4 hours, 39 minutes ago: I like the idea! it might be less complex for users to have all settings in one place... http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-26/line/1453801223623
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GWG pfefferle: Long time no see
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GWG petermolnar: Saw the PR and merge. Going to have to look at that. Might bring over some stuff from the version I wrote and then remove it from Syndication Links.
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GWG bunnywabbit_: What are the questions?
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Jeena I often have people interested in a HWC who don't have facebook, nor do they have a website wich implements webmentions yet, do you guys also invite automatically via email or something like that?
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Jeena perhaps one should couple it to some instance of a caldav calendar where people can rsvp via gmail/outlook too?
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GWG petermolnar: https://github.com/petermolnar/wordpress-indieweb/commit/ee1145b57cf6def40554f369a892e9a98fa89649#diff-6b1221428cfc964b7ed4aaac4b150d4eR265 - You embedded your Google Plus URL into the pull request.
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petermolnar GWG lol
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petermolnar thanks for spotting it
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petermolnar fixing it now
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snarfed instagram permissions review update: oauth-dropins got rejected too :(
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snarfed "Still in Development: Your app is still in development. Please resubmit only when your app is ready to go live and no longer in development.
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snarfed Invalid Use Case: The use case described in your submission notes, screencast and website is not a valid use case that we allow on our Platform."
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petermolnar snarfed I missed the updates on bridgy, was that rejected too?
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snarfed petermolnar: yup
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snarfed i'm running out of ideas to save bridgy instagram backfeed :(
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/603#issuecomment-174011916
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petermolnar :(
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snarfed worst case, i'll just start scraping
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snarfed already switched to that for https://instagram-atom.appspot.com/
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/granary/blob/master/granary/instagram.py#L544
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petermolnar snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 196 karma
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petermolnar I wasn't aware of instagram-atom
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snarfed check out its friends too (links at bottom)
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petermolnar fb doesn't seem to work for me, I'll dig into it
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snarfed huh
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snarfed looks like you have spaces around your cookie strings
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snarfed i'll add code to strip them
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petermolnar no spaces there, honestly
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snarfed ah you're right. one request did, the rest didn't
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petermolnar I've tried urlencoding the xs, doesn't work either
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snarfed looks like the last request was able to log in as you
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snarfed i'm guessing it's a language issue. sorry about that. i'll see what i can do!
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petermolnar no worries
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petermolnar snarfed my current FB language is set to English (US)
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snarfed oh! ok
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petermolnar so it shouldn't be the cause of the issue
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snarfed huh, i think it's actually broken for everyone
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snarfed thanks for the report!
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petermolnar np :)
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GWG petermolnar: As I know you played with my Simple Location plugin, I need someone to bounce some thoughts off of, if you have time.
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petermolnar sure, what do you need?
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GWG I'm working on improvements to the Post UI for Location. I've been trying to figure out how to structure it within the WordPress editor.
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GWG I've been trying to mock it up.
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Screenshot-from-2016-01-26-01-47-26.png
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GWG Here it my last attempt.
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GWG petermolnar: Location is a side box that has the Lat/Lon right now, and two buttons. One that pops up this dialog box, the other that pulls the location using HTML5 Geolocation...although it is completely wrong about where I am.
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petermolnar tip: postal code + house number lookup for exact address is a thing in the UK, so postal code is vital here
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petermolnar the lat/long + 2 buttons is perfect
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petermolnar ( a read from exif would also be brilliant, but that's hilariously complicated )
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GWG The behavior I'm contemplating is having this box pop up, where the location information can be saved as a venue...which is in reality a custom taxonomy...or as post-meta for posts with abstract locations.
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GWG petermolnar: I'll save you a hook for that.
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petermolnar I'd go for venue as taxonomy
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petermolnar reduces both the duplication factor, add easy lookup without and DISTINCT mockery
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petermolnar but
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GWG I have that. But you don't want every location associated with a post to be a venue, do you?
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petermolnar no, and there's an additional issue:
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petermolnar what is the venue moves?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "venue moves" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CR
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petermolnar same venue, different address
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petermolnar if it backfills the info, it's a problem
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GWG That is a new venue in my opinion
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GWG The old venue remains.
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petermolnar everything is a venue... a type of venue. Maybe not the best word.
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GWG The old venue could be renamed... Indieweb Hall of Fame (Closed)
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petermolnar see? everything can be a venue :D
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GWG I don't want to add an open/closed field. I think a venue moving is just a new venue.
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GWG Getting that box to work though is going to be more Javascript then I have done up to this point. I need to be able to save the venue using AJAX.
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petermolnar when the lat/long is filled and you press the details, does it try to look up possible choices from somewhere?
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GWG Details right now pops up the box in the screenshot. The Lookup Address from Provider is currently pulling the address. I considered combining those, but that would eliminate putting in an address manually.
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GWG I have some reverse geolocation code which is written to allow for additional providers if I ever write them
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petermolnar just adding the potential candidates in a 'select' automatically would be enough
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petermolnar and would probably be a good user experience
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tantek Jeena - that modeling language - I've never heard of it, and their publication date is 2014! CASSIS (as I created it) has been around much longer.
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GWG That would be the potential existing venues.
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petermolnar what do you use as source?
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GWG I can't code searching for additional venues till I load some in. So I was trying to get the entry part first.
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GWG petermolnar: Right now, Nominatim.
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tantek petermolnar: blogroll was for rel=me even at the start
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petermolnar I honestly believed that was the "friends" list basically, never thought of using it as rel=me listing my other things there
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tantek it was both
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petermolnar well, it's my rss reader now :)
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tantek your blog roll is your rss reader?
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tantek time to try another Bridgy Publish POSSE to Flickr
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tantek Bridgy Publish photos to Flickr seems like it's working flawlessly, including tags
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tantek bridgy++
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Loqi bridgy has 35 karma
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tantek going to manually catch up (for the year) before I add automatic POSSEing
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tantek snarfed, minor UI nit, when after I manually publish one photo, when I preview the next, the web UI should remove the "Done! Click here to view" yellow popup thing.
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tantek ooh just got a 500 back from Bridgy! that's a rare thing :)
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tantek just the plain 500 page: "500 Internal Server Error / The server has either erred or is incapable of performing the requested operation."
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bunnywabbit_ I'd like to be able to post stuff to my wordpress blog, and have it "autopost" to a facebook article, linkedin article, medium. Is there already code for that (or a plugin?) or is this something I need to put together with my little fingers?
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bunnywabbit_ I get the idea of POSSE but right now the actual implementation is really fuzzy for me
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tantek bunnywabbit_: I believe there is a WordPress plugin that can automate POSSE for you - GWG can likely help you out
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tantek are you using wordpress.com or wordpress on your own server?
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GWG There are many WordPress POSSE plugins. I'm not sure about POSSE to Medium. That I have to check.
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GWG Facebook and LinkedIn I have some recommendations
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GWG Medium seems to have a POSSE plugin for WordPress, but the notes seem to suggest it is more of a beta. Might be worth trying
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+315) "/* auto POSSE photos to Flickr */ implemented auto_tag hashtag hack in Falcon, thus other approaches (improve auto_link, or get Bridgy to detect it) become nice improvements, not critical path" (view diff)
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tantek GWG, is there a section on the WordPress Plugins page for "Might be worth trying" ? E.g. the Owark plugin could fit there too
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tantek so when you find such plugins, we can collect them there and others in the community can help try them too and evaluate them
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david.shanske.com edited /WordPress/Plugins (+98) "/* POSSE Plugins */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2016/NYC/letsencrypt (+138) "linky" (view diff)
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tantek snarfed, to add to minor UI nit, similarly when you publish a video and it says "Note that videos take time to process before they're visible." in a yellow bg popup at the top, when you then preview another post (like a photo), it should remove that that yellow bg popup.
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@calum_ryan Non-stop #indieweb at the moment! Last weekend IndieWebCamp NY, Homebrew Website Club Wednesday, Thursday doing IndieWeb talk for F-E London (twitter.com/_/status/692020861574979585)
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bunnywabbit_ tantek: wordpress plugin sounds dreamy -- wordpress.org multisite on my own server (with all the anguish of runaway apache processes that goes with it)
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tantek bunnywabbit_: cool - I'd follow GWG's plugin recommendations then.
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GWG bunnywabbit_: Have a look at a plugin called Social Networks Auto Poster. It has a lot of different places it will let you post.
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tantek aside, has anyone seen Flickr automatically tag their photos? E.g. here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/24001508643
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tantek the only tags I added were sunset latergram nofilter
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pfefferle GWG hey hey
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tantek does anyone see the other tags on that photo? e.g. outdoor sky water etc.?
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GWG pfefferle: Hope all is well. You missed the fun of IWC NYC.
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bunnywabbit_ GWG: going to look
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GWG pfefferle: I recall you remoted into IWC NYC 2014.
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bunnywabbit_ tantek: yeah I see 9 other tags
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tantek how did they get there?
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tantek welcome back LaraFZ!
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aaronpk tantek: yeah flickr started doing auto-tagging
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aaronpk the auto tags are marked differently though
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tantek aaronpk: seriously?! when? how and what the?
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aaronpk notice that the ones you entered have a grey background and the others have a white background
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aaronpk machine learning!
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aaronpk it recognizes that it's water / ocean / landscape / etc
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tantek oh dear - well at least the AI is being upfront about it
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petermolnar bunnywabbit_ http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_on_WordPress
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aaronpk heh that gives me an idea
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aaronpk i wonder if it does it for private photos too
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aaronpk yes it does
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aaronpk weird idea: privately POSSE all my photos to flickr, wait for the auto-tags to be entered, copy those tags back to my site, then delete the photo from flickr.
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tantek welcome back snarfed!
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snarfed hi tantek!
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bunnywabbit_ GWG: seems to me that what Social Networks Auto Poster plugin does is create a status update in FB with a link to the post, is that correct? It won't create an "Article" in FB, will it?
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snarfed i think it was just an hr or so, but i'll take it :P
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GWG It will optionally take the full post and post it to Facebook.
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snarfed surprised the video tag fix didn't work for you, it didn't for me. i'm looking
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bunnywabbit_ GWG: but as a status update or as an article?
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tantek snarfed: perhaps because it was inside a hyperlink inside a video tag?
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bunnywabbit_ (if you know)
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bunnywabbit_ (same question for LinkedIn...)
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petermolnar bunnywabbit_ you have various options. SNAP (Social Networks Auto Poster) used to be my personal preference; it works as expected and has many options; as for creating an article: you post on your site, SNAP creates and entry on FB; the type of that entry depends on what options you select for the plugin, at the post creation
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tantek aaronpk: if Bridgy backfeed sent Flickr tag-of replies back to you, you wouldn't have to delete it
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tantek or at least you wouldn't have to manually wait for the auto-tags
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GWG bunnywabbit_: As petermolnar said...although I've never tried LinkedIn.
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petermolnar bunnywabbit_ so it can be a share, a full text entry, a photo, etc.
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petermolnar for linkedin, I can't say either
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aaronpk this sounds like a great job for bridgy :)
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pfefferle GWG yes, a lot to do these days
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aaronpk of course between this and also potentially accepting tags from other people, I may need to find a way to indicate *who* added each tag to my post
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petermolnar tantek, aaronpk auto-tag on flickr is not always immediate
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snarfed1 tantek: nested html shouldn't matter, but we'll see
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GWG pfefferle: If I could ask a favor...would you want to comment on: https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/35435
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tantek aaronpk: indeed, Flickr has a way of indicating who added each tag, as FB has a way of indicating that too for person-tags
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pfefferle GWG I hope I can attend one (or both) of the german IndieWebCamps this year
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tantek hmm what is tag-of
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Loqi A tag reply is a response to a post that tags that post with one or more tags https://indiewebcamp.com/tag-of
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bunnywabbit_ petermolnar, GWG, thanks
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pfefferle GWG sure!
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petermolnar bunnywabbit_ feel free to ask any time
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aaronpk huh, I just added a tag to your photo, tantek: https://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/24627919675/in/dateposted/
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aaronpk can you see that it wasn't added by you? it looks the same as the others to me
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bunnywabbit_ going to try when I'm a little less hungry, have a post brewing
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tantek aaronpk: hmm maybe they broke this
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snarfed1 tantek: looks like it was able to strip the "a video" to twitter? https://twitter.com/t/status/686440910641446912
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@t Watching waves break and rush the giant black lava rocks. #Kona #Hawaii #latergram… (http://tantek.com/2016/010/t2/waves-break-rush-lava-rocks) https://twitter.com/t/status/686440910641446912/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/686440910641446912)
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aaronpk wouldn't surprise me. but the API would still show the data
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snarfed1 nm that was old
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aaronpk yep tags have authors https://www.flickr.com/services/api/flickr.tags.getListPhoto.html
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tantek snarfed1: haha that was a manual POSSE of a video to Twitter :)
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snarfed1 right
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tantek manual with Twitter UI, not Bridgy ;)
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tantek !!! "Flickr’s friendly robots will try to help out by adding some for you; these will appear with just a gray outline."
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tantek aaronpk: you used to be able to see who added a tag when by hovering over it
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aaronpk someone must have forgotten about that feature when the redesigned their layout for the millionth time
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aaronpk it's still in the API tho! although the auto-added ones don't show up there! https://api.flickr.com/services/rest/?method=flickr.tags.getListPhoto&format=json&api_key=66b786da6573913db90352c1778031e1&photo_id=24627919675
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tantek aaronpk: captured: https://indiewebcamp.com/tag-reply#Silo_Examples
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aaronpk hm, auto-tags don't show up in the API even when authenticated as the owning user
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singpolyma is rel=tag no longer supported, generally?
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tantek singpolyma: do you know of any site that consumes it?
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singpolyma tantek: all the microformats parsers used to
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tantek singpolyma: parsing != consumption
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tantek think UX
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tantek parsing is just changing from one syntax to another, just a transform
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tantek it doesn't prove anything
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tantek (other than syntax correctness)
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singpolyma whatever. I just want to know if brid.gy ought to be supporting my markup, or if there's yet another new thing I need to add to my site
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tantek singpolyma: the microformats parsers still support rel, per the microformats2 parsing spec
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tantek that doesn't mean that any consuming site or app will do anything with them
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tantek do you have your posts marked up with h-entry?
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singpolyma nope. still using venerable hentry
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tantek singpolyma: hmm - in that case the microformats parser should pick up the rel-tag inside that for backcompat and turn it into mf2json
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tantek do you have a permalink example?
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singpolyma the case that led to my question: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/604#issuecomment-175120833
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@phillipadsmith RT @scottros going to homebrew website club SF Weds eve to look at Indieweb ways of building project we worked on at #hhconnect https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/692035276542189568)
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@HongPong that's horrible . this is why you need #indieweb design principles because silos give, silos take away @citypages @BlackLivesMpls (twitter.com/_/status/692036166925819904)
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snarfed singpolyma: looks like at least mf2py isn't parsing your rel-tag. http://mf2.kylewm.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsingpolyma.net%2Factionstream%2Fboring-cabinets%2F
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aaronpk i see it at the bottom there
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snarfed oh wow true
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snarfed outside the post item though
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aaronpk but no it's not doing what tantek described
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snarfed is that...page scoped?
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aaronpk rels are always page scoped
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aaronpk tantek was describing potential backwards compat functionality i think
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snarfed yeah in that case we definitely wouldn't consume it
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snarfed sure
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snarfed also singpolyma i tried to see if granary (and therefore bridgy) converted it to an activitystreams tag, but your site 403s granary-demo for some reason :/ https://granary-demo.appspot.com/?input=html
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tantek sounds like a bug in mf2py's parser compat support for h-entry? http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Parser_Compatibility
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tantek "rel=tag - parse as p-category. "
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kylewm I don't believe it's true that rels are always page-scoped. rel=bookmark is scoped to teh hentry for example
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Loqi kylewm: [shaners] left you a message on 1/21 at 9:24pm: Your template avatar is busted now. The new site prolly changed or blew away this URL: https://kylewm.com/static/img/users/kyle.jpg http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-21/line/1453440259730
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message on 1/23 at 8:02pm: good news! Bridgy Publish POSSE to Facebook person-tagged a bunch of people who AFAIK have *never* signed up with Bridgy. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102091548836163 (two of whom I'm not even friends with on FB, so that's a pretty neat trick) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-23/line/1453608153161
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voxpelli tantek: did you see the rel-me discussion from earlier today? thinking it should probably be clarified somewhere on some wiki that rel-me should _only_ be added to pages representing a user/profile
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singpolyma snarfed: according to http://ioerror.us/bb2-support-key?key=6bb2-c273-17f4-e8c8 bad-behavior is blocking the granary-demo based on user-agent
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tantek voxpelli: it is a should
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voxpelli tantek: would adding that as a QA to the FAQ on https://indiewebcamp.com/rel-me be a good idea do you think?
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tantek re: page-scoped kylewm etc., yes, some legacy rels are attempted to be entry-scoped, however HTML5 spec kind of did away with that. so in practice we can only use rels when the page is the thing, e.g. permalink pages for h-entry items
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singpolyma since in this case the whole page is really just the hentry, the whole page is tagged anyway, in effect
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kylewm tantek: OK, for what it's worth, we added entry-scoped rel=bookmarks to mf2py with the wide world of wordpress themes
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singpolyma snarfed: I whitelisted the granary-demo user agent now
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kylewm s/with/for compatibility with
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Loqi kylewm meant to say: tantek: OK, for what it's worth, we added entry-scoped rel=bookmarks to mf2py for compatibility with the wide world of wordpress themes
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tantek kylewm: makes sense
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tantek hopefully that means adding the rel-tag support to the backcompat parsing is also workable?
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tantek just noticed that screenshots e.g. pngs do not show up in your home page stream on Flickr
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kylewm certainly, the problem then is that "category" would be a URL, which we've decided previously should be interpreted as a person-tag
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kylewm I guess unless we said rel=tag implies class=p-category, which seems odd
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tantek ah - spec issue - I can fix that
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tantek it's not obvious what to do - you're right
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tantek oh wait it already does say!
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tantek " parsers should look for rel=tag hyperlinks inside an hentry, and take the last path segment of their "href" value as a value for a p-category property"
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tantek so no, the category would *not* be a URL
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tantek but rather just the last path segment of the URL
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tantek kylewm: ^^^
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tantek same link: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Parser_Compatibility
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kylewm whoa
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kylewm ok fascinating
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tantek yes, that's how tags used to work
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tantek when launched 11 years ago ;)
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kodfabrik.se edited /rel-me (+450) "/* FAQ */ Adding section about adding rel="me" on non-profile pages" (view diff)
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voxpelli would love it if tantek or someone else gave that answer a second look and perhaps added a reason of "why" one shouldn't in addition to my answer
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tantek voxpelli++ looks great!
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Loqi voxpelli has 61 karma
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tantek now we can wait for aaronpk and shaners to debate it (since they put all their rel-mes in their cross-site footers) :)
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voxpelli oh :P
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kylewm filed rel=tag backcompat cc: singpolyma https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/issues/58
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singpolyma kylewm: thanks!
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KevinMarks reads scrollback
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gRegorLove I have rel-me links to my social media profiles on every page of my site. Is that what you're saying is a problem?
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tantek thanks kylewm !
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KevinMarks re rel-me and multiuser sites - you do need to be careful
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tantek gRegorLove: right
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tantek it's sloppy
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tantek since every page of your site is not a profile page for you
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GWG I thought rel me only goes on the page with your hcard.
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KevinMarks as you can accidentally consolidate 2 people into one identity
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tantek GWG, ideally, yes
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tantek kylewm: while you're here, I'm curious how Bridgy Publish to POSSE person-tags work
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KevinMarks this happened with Chris Messina and Tara Hunt in the Google Social Graph API, because they both rel=me'd to the coworking space they founded and back
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gRegorLove But it doesn't cause problems for single-author sites at least.
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tantek do I have to (or does it *help* if I) link to people's specific Flickr profile URLs? by name? by Flickr ID?
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aaronpk I suppose I could remove the rel=me attribute from my links, but I do want them in the footer of every page
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tantek aaronpk: right
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tantek that's a good suggestion to add to the FAQ
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gRegorLove Regardless, I guess my usage is incorrect even on my home page. My home page isn't my profile, just my latest article.
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KevinMarks though if people refer to you by your home page, that can still make sense
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gRegorLove Yeah, guess that would break indieauth for me... nvm
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KevinMarks putting an h-card there is a good idea
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gRegorLove The post on my home page has an h-card, yeah
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KevinMarks more scrolback: re venues that move - some do naturally eg food carts, trains etc
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GWG You classify a train as a venue?
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KevinMarks if I check into Caltrain 198, it moves 50 miles
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aaronpk i've checked in to trains before yes
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KevinMarks I do on foursquare
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KevinMarks and flights
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voxpelli gRegorLove: rel-me on home page and author page makes sense for an indieweb site
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KevinMarks also the RVIP Lounge karaoke RV
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voxpelli gRegorLove: on _all_ pages it makes it very hard to construct a social graph for you, see https://indiewebcamp.com/social_graph
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KevinMarks and I suppose the car2go cars aaron is tracking count
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tantek other moving targets: busses (specific #s), taxis (also specific #s) - both on Foursquare / Swarm
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gRegorLove Who's constructing social graphs?
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GWG KevinMarks, I plan to use a post configuration more suited to the journey for that.
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voxpelli gRegorLove: Google did for a long time and when they shut down their Social Graph API I started working on my own and some other in the community has done the same
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GWG But there is nothing in my implementation that assumes that it can't move. It just wouldn't have coordinates.
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gRegorLove I dunno. So far for me, it ain't broke so I don't think I'll try to fix it.
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GWG Of course, my implementation is nowhere near done.
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voxpelli gRegorLove: metadata is never broke for a publisher, only for a consumer ;)
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gRegorLove Every time I delve into rels I get confused for a while. Not sure why; they seem pretty straightforward, heh
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tantek more specific Flickr person-tagging question
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tantek if you're in this photo http://tantek.com/2016/024/t7/indiewebcamp-nyc-day-3 - what is your Flickr profile?
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kodfabrik.se edited /social_graph (-36) "Links relspider entry to the relspider wiki page" (view diff)
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tantek tommorris, anarchivist
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KevinMarks aslo re movable venues, see this thread https://twitter.com/dens/status/691760058963791874
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@dens @kevinmarks @hunterwalk Ha, I think we stored the "this venue used to be X" data somewhere (cc @4sqSupport) (twitter.com/_/status/691760058963791874)
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KevinMarks in html4 rels were vaguer, and were often interpreted for a subset of the page; in html5 they are defined as page-scoped so we have conformed to that
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KevinMarks which makes rel-tag, rel-bookmark and the rev- based microformats trickier to use
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tantek rev was dead long before
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tantek not worth clustering/confusing with that issue
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KevinMarks there is a case for legacy parsing, as a lot of blogs have the markup
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kylewm tantek: it's best if you include a link to the person's flickr page, but it can be their profile or photostream, and can use ids or usernames; it shouldn't matter
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tantek ok!
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GWG I just have been creating shims,which seem to work with alternative data sets.
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GWG Basically, anything that I can goes into a microformat structure.
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GWG I picked that idea up from here.
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GWG Which could work for rels too.
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tantek GWG, interesting, example of a shim?
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GWG There's the php-mf2-shim for Twitter, for example.
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tantek do we need to document our shims?
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tantek what is a shim?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "shim" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CS
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GWG A shim is a function or group of functions that take a non microformat data source and output as parses microformats.
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loqi.me created /shim (+142) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-01-26/line/1453833722959 and dfn added by GWG" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek was using 'f' for shorthand link to FB profile in person-tags, now needs something else for Facebook vs. Flickr!
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snarfed icons!
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KevinMarks that's a narrow definition of shim
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tantek KevinMarks: it's good enough for our purposes
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tantek it doesn't need to be the wikipedia definition
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GWG I was thinking of it from the Indieweb perspective. But you can amend.
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KevinMarks silo.pub and bridgy are shims IMO, and snarfed's stream converters
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KevinMarks and most of unmung
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tantek ok Flickr gets two bullets because they changed their icon to that :P
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tantek ••
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GWG I'd just like to see more of them identified
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snarfed "bridges"
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GWG Isn't a bridge a shim as a service?
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aaronpk contemplates making a new service called "shimmy"
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snarfed lol
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KevinMarks realises that big chunks of his software career has been shimming
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tantek aaronpk, could do an entire swing dancing based suite
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aaronpk oh my
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tantek that would be a generation after the victorian/steampunk versions ;)
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aaronpk I am *not* rewriting everything again!
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snarfed KevinMarks: the standard google joke, right? "my job is moving data from one protobuf to another"
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KevinMarks indeed, but also thinking about the time spent on QuickTime at Apple
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KevinMarks where big chunks of it was making OS 9 APIs work on windows and OS X
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tantek aaronpk: give it 20 years ;)
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GWG I feel like I have opened a can of worms, but not the can I hoped.
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aaronpk okay maybe in 20 years
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tantek hence, generation :D
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aaronpk 20 years until bets on whether aaronpk is rewriting his site again?
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 1/26 10:51am (#5789)
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aaronpk i wonder if that overflowed Loqi's 32-bit integer
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bear software generations are shorter cycles - 3-5 yrs (IMO)
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GWG Maybe I should turn my open graph to Microformats code into a library.
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tantek GWG, do you have a Flickr?
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GWG No, I don't
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anarchivist tantek: https://www.flickr.com/people/anarchivist
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snarfed PSA: if anyone goes through instagram's new permission approval process and gets approved, please let us all know! we'd love to learn more
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snarfed looks forward to ownyourgram's #brands makeover :P
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aaronpk maybe I can rename ownyourgram to "shimmy"
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aaronpk sounds unassuming and mostly harmless
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snarfed maybe i should have used bridgy's old cartoony logo
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snarfed i bet that would have done the trick
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/blob/master/static/bridgy_logo_old.jpg
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aaronpk cute!
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aaronpk reminds me of the glitch graphics
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aaronpk https://slack.com/404
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snarfed huh yeah
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tantek whoa: Bridgy Publish error: "Error: message=User cannot add this person to photos, flickr code=3 HTTP Error 400: message=User cannot add this person to photos, flickr code=3"
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snarfed ok then
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snarfed glad we surfaced it at least
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tantek maybe that's what happens when you don't follow them on Flickr
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tantek yes, the person-tags went through for who I was following (at the time), and didn't go through for the two I was not
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tantek (who I just now followed)
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tantek Bridgy Publish doesn't do updates right?
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tantek tries anyway
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snarfed not yet, no. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/84
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tantek hah - but no duplicate stopping on Bridgy Publish to Flickr
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tantek via the web UI
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snarfed really? that's surprising. it's not silo specific
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tantek yes: two most recent photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/
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snarfed it'll let you keep trying until it succeeds
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tantek ah - because of the error
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tantek anarchivist: perhaps you have your Flickr setup to disallow others to tag you in photos?
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anarchivist tantek: mmm let me check
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tantek between the first and second copies, I followed anarchivist and mlncn
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tantek did not seem to make a difference, interestingly enough
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tantek perhaps people have to follow *you* to let you tag them in photos on Flickr?
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anarchivist tantek: yeah, that was correct. forgotten i'd set it that way.
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tantek (or rather that's the default person-tagging pref on Flickr)
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anarchivist tantek: should work now, though
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tantek let's find out
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tantek a-ha that worked! https://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/24631047625/in/datetaken/
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tantek anarchivist: did you have to follow me? or just change permissions?
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anarchivist tantek: just changed permissions
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tantek ok good to know
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GWG anarchivist, nice meeting you, by the way
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snarfed there's now a w3c standard for push notifs to the browser even if you don't have the site loaded?! interesting...
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snarfed https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2016/01/25/firefox-can-now-get-push-notifications-from-your-favorite-sites/
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snarfed can't wait to see someone use this for wm notifs
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aaronpk hmmmm!
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aaronpk that seems like a good feature for webmention.io
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kylewm looks like it's a Service Worker thing, which makes sense
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cweiske .. and it makes you dependent on browser vendor push servers
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aaronpk oh interesting, and google's implementation for Chrome uses Google Cloud Messaging
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aaronpk it seems like in theory the browser could let you point to your own push subscription service, like how you can use a different bookmark sync service
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aaronpk (or did they remove that from new FF?)
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cweiske in the linked hack blog post they advertise it as security for the user
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cweiske it's also more efficient to let the browser only connect to one push service
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cweiske instead of a dozen
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aaronpk no i mean the other way around
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aaronpk if I wanted to run my own push subscription service, then the browser could always register with it, and the endpoint that it gives out to websites that want to send me a push would always be using my service
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aaronpk it would still be one connection from my browser, just to my own server instead of mozilla's
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cweiske ah, that would be cool
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aaronpk at least we're taking one step in the right direction with the browsers all exposing the same push API to websites, so at least we won't need to worry about the differences between browser push services from that side
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sknebel running your own push server seems sorta possible: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2016/01/web-push-arrives-in-firefox-44/comment-page-1/#comment-19331
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aaronpk oh!
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aaronpk "Once you have another service up and running, you’d just have to change dom.push.serverURL in about:config."
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aaronpk well there you go
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bear that might be the one thing to make me enable browser sync...
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gRegorLove !tell tantek: I like the table at the top of /2016/NYC/Guest_List. I'll update /2016/Guest_List based on that.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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jonnybarnes Dear god locales can be annoying to set up on linux VPSes
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jonnybarnes I think I have it working now
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jonnybarnes decided not to use a bouncer to the irc and just have weechat running inside screen
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jonnybarnes how are other people connecting?
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aaronpk weechat web interface -> weechat -> ZNC
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jonnybarnes (turns out screen doesn’t automatically use the same locale settings as the parent shell :/)
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aaronpk oh weechat is inside tmux
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jonnybarnes is weechat running on your local machine then aaronpk?
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aaronpk no, on my VPS
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ben_thatmustbeme quassel-server on my home machine,
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jonnybarnes then why have ZNC as well?
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aaronpk I may stop connecting through the ZNC tho since the main reason was so that I could talk through the same IRC nick on limechat on my phone
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aaronpk but that isn't as important now that I have the weechat web interface
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jonnybarnes what is quassel-server?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "quassel-server" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CT
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jonnybarnes I assume the /s/10CT link take you to a create article page?
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gRegorLove Yep
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gRegorLove You can also answer in IRC to create the page.
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gRegorLove "[term] is yada yada"
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gRegorLove Within 5 or 10 minutes of the prompt
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jonnybarnes I see Loqi is much improved :)
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aaronpk wow has it been that long since you've been here?
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aaronpk welcome back!
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ben_thatmustbeme what is quassel
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "quassel" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/10CU
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matrrix Does the indiewebcamp wiki have api.php removed from it?
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aaronpk Loqi uses the api
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Loqi grins profusely
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matrrix http://indiewebcamp.com/api.php is a 404 for me
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matrrix trying to hack https://github.com/hexmode/mediawiki-el/blob/master/mediawiki.el in to working...
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aaronpk you should check the rel=EditURI in the source ;)
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Loqi it is probable
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matrrix ah hey check that out
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matrrix thanks
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aaronpk tho i'm not sure how it will play with your script because there are no passwords, only IndieAuth login
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matrrix I jammed my session cookie in to the cookie jar
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aaronpk that works :)
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matrrix Yeah, it did in fact work
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matrrix aaronpk: is it possible to register with indieauth and have it create an account not named after the domain? like using the h-card on the page or something?
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matrrix as much as I want to be known as "notes.whatthefuck.computer" for the rest of my IWC days...
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aaronpk i suppose, but it's kind of nice that the wiki user accounts double as a way for people to find your website
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notes.whatthefuck.computer created /User:Notes.whatthefuck.computer (+4) "Test edit with mediawiki.el" (view diff)
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aaronpk also then i would have to worry about hijacking user account names by changing the h-card name
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matrrix Hey check that out
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matrrix well, that's fair
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matrrix Now I get to try to remember how MediaWiki works
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matrrix I should probably finish migrating my indieweb miniblog back to my main domain before doing too much here then...
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Loqi I agree
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matrrix What a mess I've made.
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aaronpk you can always just put rel=me links on your main domain
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matrrix Ah wait, I've already decided on using notes.wtf.comp as my miniblog, and moving my portfolio on to wtf.comp , this is fine.
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matrrix looking at notes he wrote for website redesign/blog generator rewrite yesterday
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matrrix Want to get this on e-paper before HWC tomorrow
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matrrix https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Notes.whatthefuck.computer#Edit_the_IWC_wiki_with_Emacs added a thing to my user page about editing the IWC wiki from mediawiki.el
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@FluViruses santiagobasulto comments on "Webmention" - https://t.co/KaHXV7spxp (twitter.com/_/status/690585642007404544)
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kylewm matrrix++ very cool re: editing the wiki with Emacs!
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Loqi matrrix has 2 karma
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DeltaWhy is bridgy working currently? I'm getting weird errors https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1453848752&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyHAsSDEZhY2Vib29rUGFnZSIKMTAxNzU0MzA4Nww
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kylewm ruh roh
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DeltaWhy trying to backfeed comments from facebook
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DeltaWhy ping snarfed1
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snarfed1 yup, sorry for the trouble, something weird is going on
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snarfed https://snarfed.org/slowdown.png
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kylewm snarfed: I deployed ~1 hour ago, maybe messed up the virtualenv?
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snarfed ahh yeah could be
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snarfed i suspect requests, urllib3, something
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snarfed timing doesn't seem to correlate though, your push was at 1:30pm
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snarfed ish
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snarfed oh actually maybe it does
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snarfed no, not sure
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@tommorris I just learned about went, a Python library for webmentions that is built on mf2py. Meta-point: it would... https://tommorris.org/posts/9425 (twitter.com/_/status/692127470837981184)
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snarfed moving to #bridgy
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snarfed DeltaWhy: should be fixed now. thanks for the heads up!
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DeltaWhy looks like one comment came through, do I need to manually retry all the others?
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snarfed they'll retry automatically
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snarfed the log you sent was for a publish attempt, btw, not backfeed :P
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snarfed no matter though!
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DeltaWhy on an unrelated note, I need to migrate my blog away from octopress - it is way too difficult to post
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DeltaWhy I'm not sure whether I should roll my own solution or use someone else's
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snarfed that's pretty personal and subjective
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snarfed are you excited about writing your own CMS? if so, are you excited about interesting extended features? or doing it from the ground up?
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snarfed if yes to the last, then go for it, otherwise use an existing one
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snarfed (i vote existing one, but that's just me)
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