#indiewebcamp 2016-03-24

2016-03-24 UTC
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@calum_ryan @dougmckown in my CMS editor I added a post method which links into the Twitter API. Somewhat as explained here: https://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter (twitter.com/_/status/712794162752536577)
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2016-03-23-homebrew-website-club (-14) "/* Where */ probably going to be just me tonight with such short notice, sorry" (view diff)
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aaronpk struggling to find motivation to work on my site tonight. i need something bite-sized
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aaronpk ooh maybe i'll make a media upload endpoint like twitter/medium
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kevinmarks is salmention bite sized?
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aaronpk i think i already support sending them
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kevinmarks with acegiak getting them into WP, might be interesting to expand them a bit
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kevinmarks especially as they're linked from the wm spec
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aaronpk haha yeah who wrote that anyway
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aaronpk looks around
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aaronpk i've been in spec land for so long i forgot how to code
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2016-04-06-homebrew-website-club (+0) (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /next-iwc (+6) "next-iwc" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks Homebrew Website Club #indieweb come join us (at @TheCreamerySf in San Francisco, CA w/ @benwerd) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/jqGc4qnhzNP (twitter.com/_/status/712805429588410369)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks Homebrew Website Club #indieweb come join us (at @TheCreamerySf in San Francisco, CA w/ @benwerd) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/jqGc4qnhzNP (twitter.com/_/status/712805986612944896)
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aaronpk okay *now* I send salmentions!
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aaronpk \o/
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Is your comment here saying we should use composer to include the microformats/tests repo instead of bundling the other version? https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/50#issuecomment-189996252
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gRegorLove As a 'require' in https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/blob/master/composer.json ?
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gRegorLove or require-dev, perhaps
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aaronpk good question
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aaronpk yeah i think i was suggesting taking the microformats/tests repo and publishing it to packagist
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aaronpk then requiring it in the composer.json
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aaronpk that way any new tests added to the microformats/tests repo can get easily pulled in
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aaronpk the same way that the tests are published to npm for node.js
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gRegorLove Makes sense. is there a way to reference the test files' path within the vendor directory then, without hardcoding it?
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aaronpk might have to do dirname(__FILE__) and a relative path from there
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gRegorLove Hm, looks like this might need to be updated so it's not node-specific https://github.com/microformats/tests/blob/master/package.json Not sure; I'm still a noob with composer
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aaronpk that's the npm version. hm does composer also expect the file to be called package.json?
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aaronpk might have to publish it from a subfolder of microformats/tests then
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gRegorLove Oh, misread.
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gRegorLove I was thinking composer.json
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gRegorLove Hm, I thought you could include an arbitrary github repo in composer.json. Looks like it expects it to be a fork of something on packagist, though, and uses branch dev-master.
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gRegorLove reading https://getcomposer.org/doc/05-repositories.md
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aaronpk you can defintiely reference a git repo that's not on packagist
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aaronpk https://getcomposer.org/doc/05-repositories.md#loading-a-package-from-a-vcs-repository
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Loqi [bridgy] Doug McKown replied '@calum_ryan What do you use as your CMS?' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter (https://twitter.com/dougmckown/status/712855458596397056)
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bear using mf2 to parse ircpeople for domains to scan for stats just showed me a bug in some code - wooo!
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bear h-card urls with /path items I'm not handling cleanly it seems
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gRegorLove aaronpk: The repo doesn't have to be on packagist, but composer expects it to be a fork something on packagist, with its own composer.json file. I tried including microformats/test as is and composer said "No valid composer.json was found in any branch or tag of https://github.com/microformats/tests,
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gRegorLove could not load a package from it."
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@Hope4Siblings RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.indieauthoranswers.com Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 15 (twitter.com/_/status/712162930549235712)
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KartikPrabhu i thought "Indie Author" was blocked
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gRegorLove Forked microformats/test and got it working with composer. Thing that took me a while to figure out was had to specify "@dev" stability in the root composer.json or else it wouldn't include my forked repo.
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Loqi [bridgy] Calum Ryan replied '@dougmckown it's a custom build I did myself on a LAMP stack' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter (https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/712907979625000960)
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@kevthorntino http://webmention.ru/fabrika-okon-3/ (twitter.com/_/status/712930055337410560)
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb — Deine Daten. Dein Netz. | Vortrag auf dem Webkongress Erlangen 2016 | Joschi Kuphal" https://jkphl.is/slides/wke2016/
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j4y_funabashi morning
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KevinMarks morning
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KevinMarks http://www.bland.ly/
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@DimitrisTzouris .@mattermosthq is an open-source, self-hosted Slack alternative. Very interesting. #DigPed #IndieWeb http://www.mattermost.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/712982319670435840)
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aaronpk !tell gregorlove you don't have to ever publish it on packagist.org, but you do need a composer.json file. composer != packagist. also it expects to be able to find a git tag to mark a version, otherwise you have to specify dev like you found.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed so, once bridgy loses access to the instagram API, we can switch to scraping, but we won't have a way to tell whether a user owns a given account, eg for signup and delete
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snarfed the options i see are 1) drop auth or 2) indieauth
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snarfed any others?
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aaronpk oh crazy
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aaronpk you could just check if their site has a rel=me to their instagram page and if the instagram page links to their site
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aaronpk like relmeauth without the auth part
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aaronpk (since to do the auth part you'd need to have an instagram api key)
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snarfed right, that checks that a domain owner has an instagram acct, but not that the current user is that domain owner
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snarfed hey also aaronpk do you know if there's an indieauth button anywhere yet? like one that would fit on https://oauth-dropins.appspot.com/
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snarfed all i've found so far is the A logo
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aaronpk hm not really. I'm also not super happy with the current indieauth logo.
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snarfed ok. the button thing isn't urgent, but it'd be nice eventually, so let me know if you plan to change the logo soon. otherwise i'll hack something together
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aaronpk i bet the current logo would work better if it weren't outlined, just the shape, so if you do make a button with it, try that
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snarfed huh ok
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aaronpk oh now i remember what i was gonna do... create a carddav+caldav to micropub proxy
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tantek !!!
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tantek starts brainstorming
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j4y_funabashi aaronpk: that sounds shiny
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aaronpk every time i look at libraries for dealing with caldav/carddav it makes my eyes bleed
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aaronpk but i really want to sync calendars and contacts from my phone to my website
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tantek aaronpk: that was my response to looking at OpenID libraries
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aaronpk haha totally
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tantek hence the frustration and motivation to come up with RelMeAuth
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singpolyma aaronpk: radicale is pretty nice, that's what I use for server caldav/carddav
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aaronpk but i don't want a standalone completel caldav/carddav server
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aaronpk i want it to create posts on my own site
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tantek bingo
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tantek a standalone "caldav/carddav server" is an inappropriate focus on plumbing
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tantek those should just be features of indie contacts and indie calendar
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singpolyma I guess so. It just makes iCal and vCard files on disk on my server and then I do whatever I want with those
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snarfed bridgy beta testers (kylewm aaronpk tantek KevinMarks), your instagram accounts are now scraping instead of using the API. please let me know if anything odd happens!
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snarfed (i'll also be watching too)
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snarfed also KevinMarks technically you're not included because your instagram isn't signed up for bridgy :P
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tantek snarfed++ thank you!
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@sl007 @jacobrossi @David_Risney Please consider: Non "end user tech" will receive less votes. It is also needed for indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/713050579581464576)
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@sl007 @jacobrossi and indieauth is also considered for Sir TimBLs "solid" - https://github.com/solid/solid/issues/22 - any idea for protocolHandler Fallback ? (twitter.com/_/status/713051270530146304)
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j4y_funabashi .quit
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KevinMarks ok, authorized instagram
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snarfed KevinMarks: cool, adding it to the beta
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aaronpk guess i'd better post a photo today
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tantek I need to catch-up on my IG PESOSing
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Yeah, it took me far too long to realize composer is using tags, not branches. I kept wondering "why isn't 'master' working?"
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Loqi gRegorLove: aaronpk left you a message 3 hours, 58 minutes ago: you don't have to ever publish it on packagist.org, but you do need a composer.json file. composer != packagist. also it expects to be able to find a git tag to mark a version, otherwise you have to specify dev like you found. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2016-03-24/line/1458828897915
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gRegorLove Late night coding. :)
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gRegorLove Pretty sure I've got the microformats/test suite working, though. Just going to clean it up a bit, submit a PR to add composer.json to it, then a PR to php-mf2.
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aaronpk sweet
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aaronpk snarfed: you said my bridgy instagram is on scraping now?
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aaronpk i just got 3 likes! \o/
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snarfed yay good!
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snarfed you can see details in the poll log
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snarfed eg tantek's does almost nothing since his account is protected :P
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@RikMende RT @DimitrisTzouris .@mattermosthq is an open-source, self-hosted Slack alternative. Very interesting. #DigPed #IndieWeb http://www.mattermost.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/713077515250712576)
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kylewm haha oh good another thing called Matter
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Loqi awesome
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tantek kylewm: figures. there's plenty of things named Atom :P
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kylewm tantek++ true
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kylewm snarfed: did you decide to use indieauth in oauth-dropins? i'll volunteer to add it if so (unless you already have)
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snarfed kylewm: woo yes i did! for instagram auth post-scraping. hell yes, you're definitely welcome to add it, thanks!
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snarfed i'll push what i've done so far to a branch, but it's not much.
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snarfed honestly the part i was most scared of was making the button :P
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kylewm haha fair
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snarfed kylewm: done, all yours if you want. https://github.com/snarfed/oauth-dropins/tree/indieauth
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kylewm great!
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kylewm so the plan is, use indieauth to verify they own the domain, and then check for bidirectional rel-mes to verify they own the instagram account?
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snarfed kylewm: right. i'll show you the bridgy branch with what i've done for UI so far.
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snarfed (i started down the road of just typing in instagram username, without indieauth, but then realized we need auth)
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snarfed the site fetch and bidirectional rel-me check would probably be in bridgy though, unless you think of a reason and good API for it in o-d. seems possible, but unlikely.
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/tree/scrape_instagram
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[kevinmarks] hm, adding rel-me parsing to oauth-dropins is an interesting idea
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snarfed probably more appropriate in mf2py or mf2util, right?
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[kevinmarks] well, oauth-dropins returning an h-card for the user would also be nice; at the moment you need to do that per-lodin
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[kevinmarks] s/lodin/login method/
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Loqi [kevinmarks] meant to say: well, oauth-dropins returning an h-card for the user would also be nice; at the moment you need to do that per-login method
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: you mean a translated h-card, from their silo profile? granary definitely does that right now
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snarfed you do have to pick the silo though, true
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snarfed o-d is currently independent of mf2, but we could definitely think about how to add that without duplicating granary's code. feel free to file a feature request!
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@jkphl Thanks for all the <3, @marcthiele! :) http://mailchimp.com/about/mcsv/ #material16 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/713103863562301440)
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@lightcoin @aestetix I like the indieweb #POSSE model, and usually syndicate longform stuff from my personal website over to Medium (twitter.com/_/status/713112757797687296)
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@sil @rem ah, fair! the indieweb approach is certainly to publish on your own site and have it be elsewhere too. Maybe I'm a control freak :) (twitter.com/_/status/713115238565081089)
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Loqi [mention] Aaron Parecki commented 'No, the software should recognize that the follow-up notification is an update o...' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Salmention#Receiving_Salmentions (https://aaronparecki.com/2016/03/24/13/)
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snarfed so we're going to start using indieauth in bridgy for instagram, and we're considering ignoring http vs https differences
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snarfed ie if you log in as http://foo and later as https://foo, we'd consider you the same user
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snarfed technically yes someone could MITM your http site and hijack your login, but indieauth'd bridgy accounts won't support publish, so we think the threat is very small
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snarfed let us know if you disagree!
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miklb snarfed how exactly will that work with Instagram? You post to IG 1st, then on your site linking to IG?
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snarfed miklb: sure, that's the same as it is today. ie how you post to your site and to IG is up to you, bridgy is agnostic.
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miklb gotcha