#indieweb 2017-10-16

2017-10-16 UTC
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snarfed ok all, https://fed.brid.gy/ is open for business!
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Loqi Ryan Barrett
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snarfed hrm
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snarfed it connects indieweb sites to federated social networks like mastodon
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snarfed feel free to try it out!
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aaronpk Wow awesome
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[miklb] I’m intrigued
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[miklb] I still don’t fully grok Mastadon, but am willing to investigate further now for sure.
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[miklb] s/Mastadon/Mastodon
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snarfed please do! and please file bugs you find. still beta quality
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snarfed i'll announce more widely soon. hoping to get a few people to try it out first to iron out kinks
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[miklb] snarfed++
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GWG snarfed, I filed a bug in another product
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snarfed ...ok!
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@kevinmarks “But we thought we were gonna change the world. Here’s the bad news: we did.” https://medium.com/@monteiro/one-persons-history-of-twitter-from-beginning-to-end-5b41abed6c20 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/919720333384355840)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "“But we thought we were gonna change the world. Here’s the bad news: we did.” https://medium.com/@monteiro/one-persons-history-of-twitter-from-beginning-to-end-5b41abed6c20 #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-10-16 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/but-we-thought-we-were-gonna-change-the-worldheres-the
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GWG I intend to get that Post Kinds exception you coded into Micropub rendered unnecessary
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snarfed GWG: great! hopefully via https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-uf2/issues/30
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Loqi [dshanske] #30 Microformats 2 Rendering
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GWG We still haven't settled that, have we?
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snarfed nope
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snarfed but i still vote for facepile fixes first :P
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[miklb] My goal is to fix that this week. I’m between projects and want to finish my theme and do an IW presentation this weekend.
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GWG I may be trying to fix that if pfefferle is stalled.
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GWG IW presentation where?
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GWG Sorry for the delay, plane lost signal
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[miklb] at our local barcamp, which is a big event in Tampa
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GWG Fun
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[eddie] Regarding the slack conversation earlier today. I also have a private slack for me that provides website notifications and allows for Jekyll rebuild via slash command
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@kevinmarks “The things I want to do are strange, simple, and unprofitable.” - @ftrain http://www.ftrain.com/20.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/919819704973135872)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "“The things I want to do are strange, simple, and unprofitable.” - @ftrain http://www.ftrain.com/20.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-10-16 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/the-things-i-want-to-do-are-strange-simple-and
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@francisclarke @paulineroche @sil @hackferencebrum @OpenRightsBrum @Net2Midlands Thanks for mention, Pauline. Stuart, would be good to talk about where we might be able to work together, e.g. session on #indieweb? (twitter.com/_/status/919822610426458112)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Some of us are already doing this. Check out the IndieWeb movement. https://www.oreilly.com/ideas/what-if-we-build-the-internet-we-always-wanted" by John Evdemon on 2017-07-13 http://evdemon.org/2017/some-of-us-are-already-doing-this-check-out-the
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@kevinmarks @francisclarke @paulineroche @sil @hackferencebrum @OpenRightsBrum @Net2Midlands Anything I can do to help? you could ask @homebrewbrum to join in too #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/919846577983950848)
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@sil @kevinmarks @francisclarke @paulineroche @hackferencebrum @OpenRightsBrum @Net2Midlands @homebrewbrum Definitely getting Kevin in if ORG want an indieweb talk would be good if possible :) (twitter.com/_/status/919847327728328704)
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@calum_ryan ? RSVPs open to this week's Homebrew Website Club London ✏️ Register at https://hwclondon.co.uk/meetups/20171018 @hwclondon (twitter.com/_/status/919855569644769280)
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oodani It looks like Woodwind caches h-feed properties - how long's it do that for? I tried subscribing it to my homepage, and discovered in the process that the name for my homepage feed was being inferred to be a big chunk of text from my most recent entry. So I fixed that, but Woodwind's still showing the same long name.
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jeremycherfas !tell zegnat, sknebel I'm not sure I understand what is necessary to install the Mumble client. Is it just a question of going to voice.sknebel.net and logging into that.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel jeremycherfas: at voice.sknebel.net there is a web based client, but Mumble primarily is used through client applications (which e.g. have better audio settings, and are better tested) you can get from https://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/Main_Page
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Loqi sknebel: jeremycherfas left you a message 2 minutes ago: I'm not sure I understand what is necessary to install the Mumble client. Is it just a question of going to voice.sknebel.net and logging into that.
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jeremycherfas Ah, right. So I need to download from there and set up. Is there a testing facility, as there is in Skype.
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sknebel good question, let me check
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sknebel doesn't seem like there is an echo service, no
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jeremycherfas I've downloaded the app; will see what happens.
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jeremycherfas The set-up certainly is interesting.
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@derhess Great talk: future of authoring tools https://youtu.be/JCAjBXQJE0A #web #content #creation #indieweb #collaboration #webdev #design #opensource (twitter.com/_/status/919901080737275904)
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jeremycherfas sknebel I tried to connect to your server and received an error.
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jeremycherfas Server presented a certificate which failed verification.
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jeremycherfas No problem. I seem to be connected now.
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sknebel jeremycherfas: I can hear you fine, but for some reason I don't seem to be recording audio
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jeremycherfas You hear me OK? That's good. I don't hear you, but I guess that will come.
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jeremycherfas The quality when I was setting up seemed to be amazingly good.
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jeremycherfas Now I wonder, is there a way to use one client for audio and another for screen sharing?
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tantek oodani: does your home page support WebSub for notifying when you update it?
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oodani Not yet. :( But I tried posting a new entry after fixing the feed's name - I'm seeing that entry in Woodwind, but still with the old feed name.
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tantek Pretty sure that's how Woodwind gets updates - so you might try that!
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tantek What is WebSub
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Loqi WebSub (previously known as PubSubHubbub or PuSH, and briefly PubSub) is a notification-based protocol for web publishing and subscribing to streams and legacy feed files in real time https://indieweb.org/WebSub
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oodani Right, I know about WebSub, but Woodwind has definitely polled my homepage h-feed again since I fixed the feed name, since it managed to retrieve the new entry?
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sknebel oodani: you can try unsubscribing and resubscribing from the feed, maybe that resets it?
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oodani Tried that, it doesn't. Oddly enough, when woodwind.xyz/subscribe lists the feeds on my homepage (h-feed and Atom) so I can pick one to subscribe to, it *does* show the updated feed name. But on actually subscribing it's still wrong.
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@t going to Homebrew Website Club London @HWCLondon 2017-10-18 18:00! Register: https://hwclondon.co.uk/meetups/20171018 cc: @calum_ryan (ttk.me t4qv1) (twitter.com/_/status/919927863465279491)
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tantek heh the RSVPs seem to be broken on hwclondon.co.uk
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tantek I just see: "RSVPs {{rsvp.data.author.name}}"
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sknebel tantek: script blocker?
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sknebel it loads from webmention.io
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@keithjgrant Video from my IndieWeb talk at @connect_js is up! The Decentralized Social Web: https://www.recallact.com/presentation/decentralized-social-web https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMRAXoKUEAAmPsM.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/919931001459171329)
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aaronpk i see the RSVPs!
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aaronpk yeah that looks like that javascript template syntax
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ben_thatmustbeme reminds me, i need to update socialstream
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tantek keithgrant++
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Loqi keithgrant has 1 karma
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[manton] Morning everyone. I'm starting a beta test for the Mac app for Micro.blog. It can post via the Micropub API! If you're running 10.13 High Sierra and want to give it a try with your site, it's available here: http://help.micro.blog/2017/mac-version/
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[manton] I also made a little video if you're just curious what it looks like: http://manton.org/images/2017/microblog_mac_beta.mov
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tantek cool!
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tantek wait is that the first Micropub Mac app?
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schmarty manton++ micro.blog app for macos looks great!
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aaronpk i think so!
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[manton] I was wondering about that too. The other posting options from the Mac that I know about are browser extensions.
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skippy what about that app requires High Sierra? I'm on plain ol' Sierra: will it not work at all?
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aaronpk it uses some new APIs in 10.13 apparently. i haven't updated yet and the app just has a little grey line through it when I download it
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[manton] Yeah, sorry, it won't launch on anything before High Sierra. I may reconsider this, but I also have limited resources to test fully on previous systems. Trying to keep things as simple as possible.
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skippy understood. thanks.
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[manton] I know it's a little early to require High Sierra, but I think long-term it is probably the right decision for this app.
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aaronpk yeah everyone will upgrade soon enough anyway. apple does a good job of getting updates actually rolled out to people.
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skippy and then corporate IT slows it all down to make sure all the VPN and other stuff works correctly. :) Not sure when I'll be updating to High Sierras.
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ben_thatmustbeme manton++
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@ChrisAldrich #AcademicSamizdat https://indieweb.org/academic_samizdat https://twitter.com/ClausWilke/status/919962165074788352?s=09 (twitter.com/_/status/919970333376970752)
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aaronpk itch itch itch
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[eddie] ? ? ?
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/p3k#Itching Blog posts in lists and archive pages
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snarfed a la https://snarfed.org/tag/essay
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Pessimistic induction
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sknebel ugh
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sknebel trying to read through a blogs archives and suddenly getting only a list of titles is one of my pet peeves
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aaronpk lol
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sknebel so, please, have both versions somehow? :)
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snarfed progressive disclosure?
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aaronpk i was thinking about leaving fulln contents on my home page
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sknebel unless I know what I'm looking for (and if I know that, I'll try to use a search engine or your site search), a list of titles means I have to click/open in new tab a large percentage of those links anyways, instead of just being able to scroll past them. If they really are long, a (few) teaser paragraph(s) are even better than full text.
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aaronpk yeah i like seeing a summary
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oodani Oh wow. I just figured out why Woodwind was keeping my old, incorrect h-feed name: it's because Woodwind lets you *customise* the feed name, so obviously it was treating that incorrect name as a customised one rather than overwriting it with the new official name.
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snarfed what is excerpt
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "excerpt" yet. Would you like to create it?
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snarfed excerpt is a small, representative section of an article that can be shown in feeds, search results, etc.
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk snarfed++
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aaronpk what is summary?
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Loqi A summary is short text that conveys a post's main point(s), or a plain text equivalent for kinds of posts like likes and RSVPs that use other properties to convey their meaning https://indieweb.org/summary
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snarfed ah ok. feel free to replace excerpt with a redirect there
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snarfed shows just excerpts in his home page feed, eg https://snarfed.org/page/3#post-24658
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Pessimistic induction
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aaronpk are they the same? I"m not totally sure
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snarfed maybe, maybe not
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oodani I think the difference is that stuff recognises p-summary but not p-excerpt?
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snarfed afaik those pages both describe concepts and UI features, not microformats per se
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aaronpk yeah i was talking about the concepts
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oodani Fair enough. :P There's a mention of p-summary on https://indieweb.org/summary though.
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[kevinmarks] Is anyone using p-excerpt? Every p-summary I post is an excerpt - doing it inline with a span is part of the power of microformats
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aaronpk nobody suggested p-excerpt!
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[kevinmarks] Oh good.
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[kevinmarks] I misunderstood oodani then
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oodani Hehe, yeah, I pretty much meant "nobody is using p-excerpt". :P
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@HWCBaltimore Meeting time! Join us at @DHFBaltimore on 10/18 at 7:30pm for another Homebrew Website Club Baltimore! Build an #IndieWeb for you, not them! (twitter.com/_/status/920037692112556032)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "#WomenBoycottTwitter is making me realise how much of my morning routine is going on twitter. It's helping me think about #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-10-13 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/womenboycotttwitter-is-making-me-realise-how-much-of-my-morning
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