#indieweb 2017-10-18

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snarfed iamJeffPerry: sure! check out https://indieweb.org/domain and https://indieweb.org/web_hosting
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iamJeffPerry @snarfed I am using Wordpress if that helps
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iamJeffPerry Also, what is the Slack and how do I join it
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aaronpk you can join from https://chat.indieweb.org/slack
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[eddie] iamJeffPerry: Slack is a modern graphical web-based chat app similar to IRC. All the same conversations happen on both though, it just depends what type of connection is the most convenient to you.
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[eddie] For example: aaronpk is using IRC right now, but I am using Slack and we're both able to talk to you ?
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@schmarty Finally wrote up my #IndieWeb Camp NYC hack day project: Native HTML5 captions for audio content with WebVTT. https://martymcgui.re/2017/10/17/205701/ (twitter.com/_/status/920460655530053632)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Test the IndieWeb “Notes” post type… Nothing else to see here." by Kimberly on 2017-10-18 http://kimberlyhirsh.com/3211-2/
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Native HTML5 captions and titles for audio content with WebVTT" https://martymcgui.re/2017/10/17/205701/
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[miklb] https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/920462998623449089
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[miklb] ?
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@ezraklein Theory: 280 character Twitter is the return of blogging, which is both why I love it and a lot of people dislike it. (twitter.com/_/status/920462998623449089)
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aaronpk 280 characters is a really short blog post
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KartikPrabhu FB never had character limits so blogging never went away!
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu++ ??
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Loqi kartikprabhu has 148 karma in this channel (153 overall)
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[keithjgrant] And yet, 280 characters is a really intimidating paragraph to read in the narrow columns of twitter apps
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@iamJeffPerry Okay I am completely lost on what I need to do to make my domain work with IndieWeb. I added some rel=”me” ... http://JeffPerry.micro.blog/2017/10/17/okay-i-am.html (twitter.com/_/status/920496587725557760)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "A post on jeffperry.micro.blog Okay I am completely lost on what I need to do to make my domain work with IndieWeb. I added some rel=”me” stuff but from there I have no idea what to do. It doesn’t seem as simple as I thought it would be. Anyone who can help please get at […]" by Michael Bishop on 2017-10-18 https://miklb.com/2017/10/2556/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "A post on jeffperry.micro.blog Okay I am completely lost on what I need to do to make my domain work with IndieWeb. I added some rel=”me” stuff but from there I have no idea what to do. It doesn’t seem as simple as I thought it would be. Anyone who can help please get at […]" by Michael Bishop on 2017-10-18 https://miklb.com/2017/10/2556/
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[miklb] superfeedr why you not like my replies?
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jeffperry So I am having a ton of trouble getting Indieweb set up on my Wordpress blog. I tried using indiewebify.me to help with this but I am beyond lost.
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[miklb] jeffperry have you installed the wordpress-indieweb plugin?
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[miklb] https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/
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Loqi [IndieWebCamp WordPress Outreach Club] Description The IndieWeb Plugin for WordPress helps you establish your IndieWeb identity by extending the user profile to provide rel-me and h-card fields. It also includes a bundled installer for a core set of IndieWeb-related plugins. It’s mea...
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jeffperry I have. The issues started when I tested micro.blog to see if it worked with my domain it did but I notices that there was some weird code being show for the author saying “<span class='p-author h-card'>Jeff Perry</span>”
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jeffperry I also never implemented a child theme so when I tried to it came back with a bunch or error codes mentioning the micropup.php
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[miklb] have a link to your WordPress site?
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jeffperry jeffperry.blog
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jeffperry The issue is that the <span class='p-author h-card'>Jeff Perry</span> links to another website I own, and I don’t know why. I removed the rel=me code from that website and it still links to it
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[miklb] seems like in your profile you’ve add the html for your the hcard?
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[jefferydperry] That is the weird part. I haven't done anything with the hcard.
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[jefferydperry] At least I don't think I have
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[miklb] what does it show in wp-admin/profile.php
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[jefferydperry] let me check
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[miklb] we should move this to #wordpress
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Loqi definitely
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[jefferydperry] I don't believe I am in that channel on Slack
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KartikPrabhu or you could take move to #indieweb-dev
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[jefferydperry] I think we figured out the issue
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KartikPrabhu nice
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sknebel Good morning IndieWeb!
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Ruxton aftermorning sknebel
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calumryan Good morning
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Loqi *yawn*
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ScalaWilliam are there any alternatives to mf2j I can use?
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ScalaWilliam I'm thinking, where does it NOT make sense to do microformats in HTML exclusively?
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ScalaWilliam here's the page - https://actionfps.com/clanwars/ - and here's the JSON data right now - https://actionfps.com/clanwars/?format=json -- both are generated from same source data at runtime so would not diverge.
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cweiske parsing mf2 is complicated
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cweiske if you don't want to require your clients to have a full-blown html5 parser just to get some stats, keep the json
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ScalaWilliam Got it
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ScalaWilliam when a sidefile is automatically generated from the same data source - is it still an anti-pattern to have a sidefile any more? https://indieweb.org/sidefile-antipattern
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cweiske I don't think anyone creates feed files manually, but tantek still sees them as bad sidefile
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cweiske so, yes
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ScalaWilliam hmm his primary concern however is "out-of-date, missing, corrupted, or outright false data.", which is part-eliminated by auto-generation
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cweiske But You Do Not Immediately See If The Json Is Broken By Looking At The Webpage
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cweiske Because You Uninstalled The Json Library
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cweiske or so
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cweiske primary example is that feeds break after a site redesign and nobody notices
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cweiske because the people themselves do not have their own site in their feed reader, and subscriber's feed readers just don't show any updates
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cweiske (although the tt-rss I use shows feed parsing errors)
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sknebel yep. I mean, you can easily break an embedded (mf2) feed as well during a redesign (and I've heard that from multiple people as a difficulty when working on mf2-enabled sites), but at least it's unlikely to silently stop/the generation to barf on some weirdly formatted data/... as long as the main site doesn't break
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cweiske I wonder what tantek would respond to that
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cweiske look, there's a three-headed monkey behind you!
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sknebel and if you are intentionally are offering an API and want people to make custom consuming apps (what I assume your actionfps example is about) just clearly defined JSON is, as cweiske said, the thing that everyone can handle
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cweiske json-schema ftw
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sknebel maybe, no experience with things like that
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ScalaWilliam yep @sknebel that's what I was thinking, the mark-up could be even more likely to break
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ScalaWilliam I had used JSON schema multiple times, it works nicely
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Media companies should own their websites + audience relationships. #indieweb, I want to see your applications. https://matter.vc/apply" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-10-11 https://werd.io/2017/media-companies-should-own-their-websites-audience-relationships-indieweb-i
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ScalaWilliam it seems simply that if you don't want something breaking, you need somebody to test your changes. For plain webpages, it's human eyes, and for computer-readable data, integration tests.
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sknebel I think the point is about when it breaks - "let me validate my microformats are still fine after I've changed the templates" is different from "oh, the feed generation script choked on some weird encoding error a few months ago and nobody noticed" (the sysadmin answer is "monitoring" to the latter)
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ScalaWilliam by creating an API (similar to an embedded format!), whether mf2 or JSON, you are making a contract with somebody.
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sknebel for embedding in pages, I dislike how JSON-LD looks. I'm not sure how strict/tolerant consuming apps are - most of what I read about is "google uses schema.org for some info boxes". and now ActivityPub/ActivityStreams use it, but (I think) o ndedicated endpoints/with content negotiation, not embedded in pages
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ScalaWilliam great point sknebel. I'm asking more about the former.
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ScalaWilliam Idea: I'm thinking what I could do for instance is to generate HTML with mf2 and then offer <link rel="alternate" type="application/json" href="https://some.generic.converter/my-page/"/> which would return JSON automatically from mf2
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ScalaWilliam this takes away any need for my app to serve JSON, but then it feels quite brittle, and I'd have more difficulty controlling the output format
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sknebel many here use things like that for h-feed to atom feed, but I think for something that's just on my site (vs a service many profit from, and thus can save their own development work) I wouldn't do that
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb
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petermolnar o/
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sknebel Morning!
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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j4y_funabashi is having fun building an h-feed normalizing service
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j4y_funabashi does willnorris come here often?
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sknebel Don't' think so, but he might be in slack?
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sknebel j4y_funabashi: what are you normalizing?
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j4y_funabashi sknebel: I am making a little service that I can give a url and it will pull all the posts and return them in a normalized format
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j4y_funabashi so that the client doesnt have to mess around with different date formats, authorship algorithm etc
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sknebel Ah. Kinda like xray?
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j4y_funabashi yeah alot like that - not sure whether i will return jf2
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j4y_funabashi but def the same sort of thing. Given an h-feed input, give me a clean version
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j4y_funabashi then next steps are to all polling/websub and some aggregation so I can say 'show me all photos from people i'm following'
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j4y_funabashi or 'show me all posts from May 2017'
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j4y_funabashi it's going to be the backend to my feed reader + post editing client
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@kevinmarks @heydonworks Also, come write decentralized social media things down at http://indieweb.org with the rest of us (twitter.com/_/status/920606900776968192)
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sknebel j4y_funabashi: yes, reader backend sounds great! looking forward to it
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j4y_funabashi sknebel: me too :)
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cweiske so people have to built extra services that get from h-feeds what atom has by default. sad.
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j4y_funabashi what does atom have by default?
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cweiske an author
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cweiske a standard post date
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j4y_funabashi are you forced to put dates in a specific format?
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cweiske yes
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cweiske because they were made to be easy to parse
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j4y_funabashi I am fairly certain that when I add RSS/Atom to this service then *some* amount of cleanup will be required but we will see :)
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[heydon] Hi everybody.
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[heydon] I’ve been thinking about decentralized social media from an accessibility perspective. Currently content and interfaces are tethered, meaning users have to suffer inaccessible interfaces to consume the social media content they desire.
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[heydon] This has resulted in separate interfaces for (example) Twitter, like EasyChirp (http://www.easychirp.com/) but does not solve other centralization problems such as data storage / hosting cost etc.
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[heydon] So I got to thinking about ways of consuming content from your choice of data feeds (probably JSON, behaves like RSS) and viewing that content locally (localhost) via your own choice of interface/theme (created yourself or acquired from a community of themes).
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[heydon] You’ve probably gone over this kind of stuff before here, but I’ve written some notes on these ideas for anyone who’s interested:
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Zegnat [heydon], was there supposed to be a link to your notes? Or is it some content that didn’t make it from Slack to IRC?
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Loqi Zegnat: jeremycherfas left you a message 2 days ago: I'm not sure I understand what is necessary to install the Mumble client. Is it just a question of going to voice.sknebel.net and logging into that.
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sknebel [heydon]: freenode threw your IRC representation out due to posting to quickly, throw that in a blogpost or something like that and share the link ;)
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sknebel Zegnat: [heydon] (~slackuser@chat.indieweb.org) has quit (Excess Flood) is freenode telling them to slow down, but I suspect the slack gateway doesn't handle that in any special way? (/cc aaronpk)
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[heydon] Okay, will do. I knew I shouldn’t have used Slack for this ?
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Zegnat Maybe it was one big post to Slack and the IRC gateway splits that into IRC-compatible line lengths. But when it submits all those lines at once that throws things out of whack
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[heydon] Makes sense.
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sknebel ah. was it one long message?
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sknebel (writing a bug report for the gateway right now, that'd be important to add ;))
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Zegnat [heydon], there are some brainstorming things about readers on here: https://indieweb.org/reader
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Zegnat There is also a session about bringing subscribing and reading together under the user’s control at the Summit this year: https://indieweb.org/2017/together - that page links to the project cleverdevil started.
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[heydon] @sknebel Yeah, a copy/paste.
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sknebel [heydon]: k, noting that
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[heydon] @Zegnat Thanks for the link
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[heydon] A ‘reader’ in my conception would probably be node-based install that ‘pulls’ and aggregates JSON URLs then launches an interface on localhost.
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sknebel 175 minutes until virtual HWC CEST: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-10-18-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_European_Time
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2017-10-18 5:29pm CEST (#6194)
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sknebel [heydon]: FYI, in IRC your long message got until "ou’ve probably gone over this kind of stuff before here, but I’ve written some notes on these ideas for anyone who’s interested:"
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j4y_funabashi [heydon]: I am currently in the process of building a back end for this sort of system :)
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[heydon] @j4y_funabashi Nice! Anything public I can look at?
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j4y_funabashi not yet, I have just started a couple of days ago
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[heydon] Okay, exciting
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j4y_funabashi [heydon]: it currently takes a url and walks through finding all h-entry's, cleans them up and saves them with the intent of exposing a json api for clients to read those posts and display them however they want.
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@kimberlyhirsh @ChrisAldrich I've used that since I first went IndieWeb. It's great. Thanks! (twitter.com/_/status/920632511117647883)
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[heydon] @j4y_funabashi This sounds great. If/when you’re ready I’d love a look at the repo’
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tantek hello #indieweb
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tantek it's HWC day!
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tantek [heydon]: about readers - there's no need for a separate JSON, you literally just read the h-feed from the web page you're following, subscribing etc.
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tantek hardest problems about readers are not the plumbing / formats, so that's not the best place to start (because it ignores the actual hard problems)
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tantek hardest problems are mostly UX, for more talk about formats and such, check out the #indieweb-dev channel (or # dev in Slack)
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GWG Yay
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Loqi :D
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tantek :)
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Zegnat Hmm, the in-between server both j4y_funabashi and [heydon] are talking about sounds a little like https://indieweb.org/Microsub
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Zegnat Where the microsub implementation takes care of the subscribing and data parsing, and feeds it to a client reader in a fixed format
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[heydon] tantek Thanks for the tips. I’m hoping to come up with something that sort of… decentralizes the UX / lets you consume things however you want. BTW am aiming to come to the Berlin meetup.
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[heydon] Do I need to sign up somewhere?
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tantek the Berlin meetup tomorrow or IWC Berlin in November?
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[heydon] Sorry, Novemebr.
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Zegnat [heydon]: http://jk.is/iwcber2017 - via https://indieweb.org/2017/Berlin
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aaronpk that does sound like the goal of Microsub
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aaronpk j4y_funabashi: have you seen that draft yet?
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sknebel I'm in mumble now
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Loqi virtual HWC CEST: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-10-18-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_European_Time
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Loqi Countdown set by sknebel on 2017-10-18 at 2:34pm CEST
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Zegnat I am heading over
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[markmhendrickso I've been reading a bit about Europe's General Data Protection Regulation recently. Have you all checked it out? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
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tbbrown i attended a session on gdpr at internet identity workshop yesterday
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[markmhendrickso It basically forces any internet service that operates with European customers to provide data portability, among other data protections. It seems pretty massively significant in concept at least, and given the steep fines for companies that don't conform by May 2018, likely to force their hands by then to support data portability?
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[markmhendrickso @tbbrown awesome, how'd it go? any gems?
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tbbrown ...picking up my notes...
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tbbrown there is an article 29 working group which documents guidance
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[markmhendrickso This is a pretty good quick intro for those interested: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r1sdtoc02lidfdb/opentext-dcg-insightbrief-talking.pdf?dl=0
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aaronpk what is GDPR?
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Loqi GDPR is the EU General Data Protection Regulation which sets much tighter guidelines on use of personally identifiable information, and is backed by law, including fines for non-compliance https://indieweb.org/GDPR
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aaronpk we talked about it during a session at indiewebcamp nürnberg too
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[markmhendrickso aaronpk fantastic
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tbbrown the main idea of the session was that you can process data if one of 6 things applied (article 6) and it was suggested that the last of the 6 options is consent.
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[markmhendrickso BTW I'll be in Berlin on Nov 4 for the camp there, looking fwd to meeting anyone else here who's going too ?
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[markmhendrickso I still have to RSVP though... =P
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calumryan Everyone’s had to do a course on GDPR in our company
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Zegnat calumryan, anything interesting you would be able to share coming out of that?
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[markmhendrickso I'm particularly interested in how companies will have to provide essentially a data export capability, but I worry it'll be like "submit your request and in 3 months we'll send you a ZIP file". It would be awesome if it were more like "here's your zip file option and an API to pull data now"
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[markmhendrickso If it were to specifically require export APIs, that'd be huuuge
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[markmhendrickso ....not to mention import APIs, which would be double huge
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[markmhendrickso calumryan where are you located?
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calumryan It’s quite stipulative on a range of matters from remote working in public spaces to capturing and keeping user data correctly
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calumryan UK
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j4y_funabashi aaronpk: I have not
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j4y_funabashi what is microsub
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Loqi Microsub is an early draft of a spec that provides a standardized way for clients to consume and interact with feeds collected by a server https://indieweb.org/microsub
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aaronpk i'd be interested in your thoughts on it if you're already working on the plumbing
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j4y_funabashi aaronpk: ha! yeah that totally sounds like the thing I am building. will have a proper read through this evening
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aaronpk sweet
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sknebel vhwc talking about https://louis.center/p2p-social-networking/ and IPFS
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tbbrown ...there will be a few more gdpr sessions at iiw today including "how the gdpr is making me track more" and i plan to do an indieweb session tomorrow morning
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[kevinmarks] Downstairs at hwc London
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calumryan kevinmarks: barryf should be coming to meet you
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[kevinmarks] They let us up - where are you?
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[kevinmarks] @j4y_funabshi - unmung.com will turn any atom/rss/whatever feed into h-feed
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tommorris tantek, [barryf], KevinMarks_ [kevinmarks] I am down in reception. Any chance you can let me in?
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tantek barryf kicking off HWC London!
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tantek kevinmarks is setting up his noterlive
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tantek barry's personal site is barryfrost.com
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tantek posts notes to his site, gets syndicated to twitter
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tantek posts photos to Instagram which get autoposted to his site
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tantek posts articles to his site
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tantek bookmarks to Pinboard
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tantek Swarm checkins get posted to his site
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @barryf: welcome to homebrew website club london - I'm Barry and my website is https://barryfrost.com/ usually barryf elsewhere (twitter.com/_/status/920702489061724169)
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tantek Tantek Çelik, tantek.com
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tantek co-founded indieweb
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tantek posting notes to my site since 2010
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tantek syndicating to Twitter
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tantek Jean Russell
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I'm Tantek Çelik at http://tantek.com - posting to my site since 2010 - I didn't think twitter would last (twitter.com/_/status/920702878653861889)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @NurtureGirl: I'm Jean and my site is http://jeanmrussell.com (twitter.com/_/status/920702964049858560)
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tantek Kevin Marks, of KevinMarks.com
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tantek co-founded microformats, has helped Indieweb since the start
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tantek uses Instagram and OwnYourGram to post photos to his site
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tantek wants to improve how he posts to Twitter using his own site
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Neil: I'm Neil and fairly new to Indieweb - my site is http://doubleloop.net and I post using wordpress and micropub (twitter.com/_/status/920703510961901568)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Neil: I use quill and shpub to post - I was syndicating to twitter but I broke that (twitter.com/_/status/920703637940301824)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Neil: I've started using mastodon as well (twitter.com/_/status/920703829720621056)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: if you go to http://fed.brid.gy you cna syndicate between your site and mastodon (twitter.com/_/status/920703906526760961)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @calum_ryan: I'm at https://calumryan.com and have built lots of indieweb tech into my site - syndicate to twitter and FB, (twitter.com/_/status/920704053134417925)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @calum_ryan: I also pull in Swarm checkins via http://ownyourswarm.com, and send out webmentions myself (twitter.com/_/status/920704177382330372)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @calum_ryan: I'll be giving a talk in a coupel fo weeks aimed at people who haven't heard of indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/920704264867143681)
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tantek "open sourcing the true meaning of social media"
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Grigor: I haven't heard of indieweb before - I understand that you don't want to be bound to a specific platform and I like it (twitter.com/_/status/920704443938680833)
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tantek (from Gregor)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Alex: I'm Alex and the only one without a computer - I've been a developer for 10 years, and the web is my passion (twitter.com/_/status/920704716664958976)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Alex: I ma working on a site at https://new.avdanov.com - it is in Laravel and is a PWA and works offline too (twitter.com/_/status/920705015261655040)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I have http://tommorris.org which I don't post to much - maybe 10-15 times a year (twitter.com/_/status/920705103203590144)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I jumped into the indieweb with great gusto at the first indiewebcamp Brighton, built it on the train back (twitter.com/_/status/920705239812116484)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I spent a lot of time working on checkins, which I don't use, I built reviews which I don't use (twitter.com/_/status/920705358175375366)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I wrote short notes syndicated to twitter, but I don't use it much because people don't like 140 chars of 200 (twitter.com/_/status/920705561020305410)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I spend more time in silos like facebook, whatsapp and private chat and less time on the public internet 'cos Nazis (twitter.com/_/status/920705698639511553)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I may rebuild my site as more of a structured reference - I am not sure what I want to do with it (twitter.com/_/status/920705804990406656)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @tommorris: I do post music - currently playing - mostly mixes (twitter.com/_/status/920706142396968960)
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tantek https://tommorris.org/tag/currently%20playing
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tantek http://tantek.com/#recent-articles
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tantek what are recent articles
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "recent articles" yet. Would you like to create it?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I have http://tantek.com/#recent-articles for my longer posts (twitter.com/_/status/920707133859155968)
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tommorris here's mine - https://tommorris.org/articles
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I have recent publications for my external posts http://www.kevinmarks.com/#Publications, but http://kevimarks.com is long things (twitter.com/_/status/920707426919346177)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: my shorteer notes are at http://known.kevinmarks.com (twitter.com/_/status/920707487287971849)
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tantek Kevin's most popular post of 2017: http://www.kevinmarks.com/twitternazifilter.html
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Loqi Twitter’s Nazi Filter 2017-10-13
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I posted http://www.kevinmarks.com/twitternazifilter.html about Twitter's secret nazi filer, and it has lots of replies (twitter.com/_/status/920707900628242436)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: which show up on my site due to brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/920707950007783424)
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tantek I've had problems with nonsense replies, e.g. on this tweet https://twitter.com/t/status/912705778275975174
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@t Nice @IndieWebCamp NYC posts: @schmarty https://martymcgui.re/2017/09/25/162422/ @dshanske https://david.shanske.com/2017/09/26/heading-indiewebcamp-nyc-sunday/ See you in 4 days! (ttk.me t4qa1) (twitter.com/_/status/912705778275975174)
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tantek tommorris: I like the idea of just anonymous +1s
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dgold seems that the nazifilter only aplied to the twitter website, on a per-browser basis
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dgold ie: setting country to germany doesn't -> no nazis in tweetbot
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snarfed anonymous +1s remind me of the famous slashdot poll disclaimer:
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snarfed "This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane."
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Loqi [superfeedr] "#746" by Neil Mather on 2017-10-18 https://doubleloop.net/2017/10/18/746/
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/craigbased/status/920055710678843393
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@craigbased When do we want it? A TL arranged by time. Now. What do we want? (twitter.com/_/status/920055710678843393)
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tommorris no venmo in UK
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tommorris paypal.me also outs your location. if that's city-level like "London, GB" or "San Francisco, CA" that's not such a big deal, but if you are in a small town that's a bit creepy. still no opt-out on that. :(
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @barryf: I have been using untappd to check in when I drink beers - which goes to Swarm, so ends up at my site (twitter.com/_/status/920714183636914179)
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tantek BTW one thought for showing facepiles for likes and reposts etc. and avoiding bad icons, only show avatars (even names) from those you "follow" (insert vague dfn here), and then just show a summary number (and 47 others) afterwards
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @barryf: I checked into a micropub using micropub! - I'd like to bring the beers in too (twitter.com/_/status/920714315950428173)
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tantek "owning my beers, that is something I'd like to do" -barryf
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tantek barryf is showing us his Medium export
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tantek and it has microformats2 h-entry
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[kevinmarks] http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/the-ideal-place-for-a-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] The ideal place for a Homebrew Website Club? #indieweb #micropub http://known.kevinmarks.com/file/cf0d21e222be16587533d3d9ed8287e8/thumb.jpg
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tommorris https://github.com/jekyll/minima/pull/160
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Loqi [barryf] #160 Add Microformats markup
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tommorris ^ win
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @barryf: I got microformats into the default theme for jekyll, and has been approved, but not merged to master yet (twitter.com/_/status/920715648929599495)
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tantek GDPR?
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tantek what is GDPR?
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Loqi GDPR is the EU General Data Protection Regulation which sets much tighter guidelines on use of personally identifiable information, and is backed by law, including fines for non-compliance https://indieweb.org/GDPR
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[kevinmarks] http://www.kiaikim.com/2017/how-to-install-the-known-platform-on-a-dreamhost-shared
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Loqi [Kiai Kim] How to Install the Known platform on a Dreamhost shared server
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tantek is Dreamhost doing one-click Known installs? cleverdevil?
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Zegnat Last time I checked, they didn’t.
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Zegnat We were also discussing hosted Known in vHWC today.
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tantek https://twitter.com/craigbased/status/920055710678843393
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@craigbased When do we want it? A TL arranged by time. Now. What do we want? (twitter.com/_/status/920055710678843393)
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@grantcodes Got a colourful new refresh of my #indieweb site online: https://grant.codes (twitter.com/_/status/920726584071479296)
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sknebel colorful indeed :)
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grantcodes Did you find the not super obvious color switcher? :D
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sknebel grantcodes: yes!
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sknebel very nice
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grantcodes Yeah css custom properties are fun
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sknebel although while scrolling a copy of your face flickers at the bottom. is that intentional, and if yes what it is supposed to look like? it's kind of weird
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grantcodes nah, probably because it's fixed position, you using firefox?
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sknebel in chrome
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sknebel i'll screenshot, one sec
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grantcodes Hmm, I'll check, didn't even bother with chrome
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grantcodes Oh yeah it's a bit wonky in chrome
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grantcodes And now it's fine...
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grantcodes blend modes or something...
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sknebel https://www.svenknebel.de/temp/grant.codes.png
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sknebel yep
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sknebel the underlines of the links are also kind of broken
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sknebel surprising how wonky this stuff is
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sknebel (when it redraws the normal underline after I stop hovering the link it seems to forget to clear the entire space the wiggly line needed)
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grantcodes I know right, I kind of like the broken underlines, they are quite fun. But the background fixed itself for me as soon as i resized the window
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sknebel yes, resize or further scrolling or even just changing windows fixes it
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sknebel well, glitches are art too :)
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@xtof_party @leGouter Merci Sylvain pour l’info. Relativisons, ce n’était qu’une marque et non un patronyme. #ownyourdomain https://indieweb.org/domain (twitter.com/_/status/920736141942325248)
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grantcodes Ha yeah, I don't hate it. The site is still usable. Will probably be fixed in chrome at some point :P But I may simplfy that background css a bit
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@barryf Bumper Homebrew Website Club London tonight. Thanks everyone for coming ? #hwclondon #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMcjet8WAAAID2y.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/920743672446160896)
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@markhobson The rise of the silos. Great history lesson by @t and optimism for the future social web: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNr0JNwsLy8 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/920758206779011078)
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GWG I just changed the theme on my site from the old one to my 2016 fork
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GWG Needs work, but not bad
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reply toMeredith Fierro on Setting up a Feed with Feedly" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-10-18 http://boffosocko.com/2017/10/18/reply-tomeredith-fierro-on-setting-up-a-feed-with-feedly/
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@GrigorYosifov Thanks for introducing us to the heart of IndieWeb! :) https://twitter.com/barryf/status/920743672446160896 (twitter.com/_/status/920795156298711041)
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