#indieweb 2017-11-27

2017-11-27 UTC
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jihaisse al
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Zegnat Anyone working on a directory like this one for their website yet? https://allipossess.com/
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[jeremycherfas] No. Also, hello indieweb and Zegnat.
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Zegnat Good morning [jeremycherfas]
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[jeremycherfas] After a week away, I’m ignoring the backlog.
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sknebel good morning indieweb!
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sknebel Zegnat: didn't rhiaro make a list like that at one point? but I don't think she kept it up to date. (really, I think most people can only reasonably start this when they move ;))
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sknebel (also this person owns suspiciously little food)
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Zegnat Yeah, I am bookmarking this as something to do when I move again
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cweiske 500 screws 6x50
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cweiske 498 screws 5x45
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cweiske ...
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sknebel cweiske: exactly
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cweiske 746 nails 50mm
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cweiske have fun counting
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Zegnat To be honest, I do not own any hardware like that to count :P
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sknebel I would not look forward to inventorizing the "big box of electronic components"
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sknebel so yeah, not happening for me, at least not completely
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sknebel I might make a list of all the books I own at some point, I should go through all of them and sell/give away a bunch anyways
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cweiske I did that. Borrowed a hardware barcode scanner and scanned all books into calibre.
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cweiske exported to http://cweiske.de/books.htm
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Loqi [Jules Verne] 20000 Meilen unter dem Meer
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Zegnat Book list is definitely something I am making when I move out and live by myself again
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jeremycherfas cweiske There must be an app that would do the same.
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cweiske there are barcodescanner phone apps, yes
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cweiske but the hardware scanner was faster and more accurate
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jeremycherfas Most of the apps tend to be geared towards selling the books.
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sknebel I use a scanner app in bookstores, to remember books that look interesting but I don't want to buy right now
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sknebel hm...
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sknebel What is wishlist?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wishlist" yet. Would you like to create it?
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jeremycherfas That's interesting sknebel. I just take a photo of the cover.
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cweiske I use the "barcode scanner" app from zxing, which is open source and ad free
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cweiske but it doesn't help when you want to scan 200+ books in a go
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@manton2 EFF-Austin party after IndieWebCamp: http://www.manton.org/2017/11/eff-austin-party-after-indiewebcamp.html (twitter.com/_/status/935169934266650624)
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[miklb] has anyone written up the difference between Google’s/schema.org Event markup and mf2? https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/events
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[miklb] the post basically about people spamming events with sales is what led me to be curious about the differences https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2017/11/a-reminder-about-event-markup.html
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@manton2 On this morning’s episode of my short-form podcast Timetable: plans for the week including IndieWebCamp promotion and the http://Micro.blog launch. http://timetable.manton.org/2017/11/episode-83-event-countdown/ (twitter.com/_/status/935195065395314689)
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sknebel [miklb]: haven't seen any detailed look into it (I know some people have added it on sites they work on, but no specifics)
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[miklb] thanks. I don’t have a practical use for events currently, but would interesting to dive into the difference/similarities.
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gRegorLove_ Good morning, indieweb
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rhiaro sknebel, Zegnat: I blogged when I downsized into backpacks: https://rhiaro.co.uk/2016/10/i-nomad and have continued to log all purchases: https://rhiaro.co.uk/stuff so from that you can extrapolate what I own now. Except I don't log when I get rid of stuff, which has happened more than acquring stuff in the last year. When I get on the move again in Jan/Feb I'll blog again cos I'm doing to downsize to one 40L backpack
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schmarty good morning, gRegorLove_ !
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tantek rhiaro: I have been thinking about that during this season of acquisition
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tantek my goal is to get rid of at least 2x more things than I acquire
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tantek til the end of the year at least
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Zegnat “I'm doing to downsize to one 40L backpack” - I’d love to have that as a goal, but never going to happen, haha
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Loqi hehe
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tantek Zegnat, any incremental progress of downsizing is good
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rhiaro when I left boston I got to a 40L and a 52L.. by the time I got back to europe 7 months later I was just the 52L.. then I got some more stuff cos winter happened and I didn't have any winter clothes. But when I leave most of that is staying in Bosnia
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Zegnat Oh, yeah, I have downsized when I moved to the Netherlands.
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rhiaro hostelling and getting backpack envy of people with less stuff than you is really motivating
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Zegnat The biggest problem for me are books, board games, and LEGO. Bulky and valuable to me. Other things I can downsize away almost completely.
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rhiaro I took a deep breath and gave all my books away. It was good.
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rhiaro now I entertain myself with one book at a time, and just continually trade with people I meet or hostels
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tantek rhiaro, just as you have posts for acquiring stuff (or is that only purchasing?), I've thought about posts for discarding stuff (donating etc.)
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rhiaro but this is offtopic
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tantek I mean I've done photo posts of "here's stuff I'm donating if anyone wants it"
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rhiaro acquiring, eg. http://rhiaro.co.uk/2017/11/5a1367af678bc
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tantek that's the closest real world example I have
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rhiaro When I left Edinburgh I took pictures of all the stuff I donated intending to log that, but there was too much an dI never bothered
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gRegorLove Way back in the day I think I posted links to books I was selling on half.com (now eBay)
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tantek gRegorLove: yes, "listing" posts are another thing
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tantek there was an hListing microformat back in the day that some folks used for a while
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aaronpk [miklb]: I did that for review markup a while back, maybe I should do it again for events :)
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[miklb] I would be interested for sure aaronpk. One of my projects for new year is to finally launch my local music calendar.
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@derhess Don't forget: Homebrew Website Club #Berlin #17 on Thursday! November, the 30th starting at 7 p.m. Check out here https://indieweb.org/events/2017-11-30-homebrew-website-club or here https://www.meetup.com/de-DE/Indie-Web-Homebrew-Website-Club/events/245333572/ #indieweb #web #Webdesign #webdev #meetup #colearning #community (twitter.com/_/status/935210604201160704)
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@ChrisAldrich Between @BeakerBrowser and @IndieWebCamp, it looks like Austin is the place to be in December: https://twitter.com/BeakerBrowser/status/935182379139952640 https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin (twitter.com/_/status/935219952516259840)
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@taravancil @ChrisAldrich @BeakerBrowser @indiewebcamp Whoa cool! I had no idea there was going to be an @IndieWebCamp in Austin (twitter.com/_/status/935220651576709125)
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grantcodes2 I did a similar thing when I went down to one backpack too, just had a page with a list of things for sale. Didn't look into any microformats for it though
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[manton] Didn't realize the BeakerBrowser folks were in Austin. That's cool.
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@t Event: Homebrew Website Club SF At: 2017-11-29 17:00 @MozSF RSVP: http://tantek.com/e/4re1 (twitter.com/_/status/935233052543942656)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Event" on 2017-11-27 http://tantek.com/2017/333/e1/homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWeb on WordPress" by Khürt Williams on 2017-11-27 https://tracking.feedpress.it/link/1771/7538929
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@khurtwilliams #IndieWeb on WordPress https://islandinthenet.com/indieweb-wordpress/ #PESOS #POSSE #General (twitter.com/_/status/935236892416765953)
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@OpenRightsGroup Tired of Twitter? Fed up with Facebook? Miss the variety and quirkiness of the open web? Be the change you want to see in the world by coming to @OpenRightsBrum's introduction to the #Indieweb! @indiewebcamp https://www.meetup.com/ORG-Birmingham/events/244943786/ (twitter.com/_/status/935237061203955714)
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@jonathanprozzi Homebrew Website Club Baltimore: November 29, 2017: https://jonathanprozzi.net/indieweb/homebrew-website-club-baltimore-november-29-2017/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPqql3NUQAAKB0E.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/935247442311831552)
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tantek woot!
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Loqi giggles
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWeb on WordPress by Khürt Williams" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-11-27 http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/27/indieweb-on-wordpress-by-khurt-williams/
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@ChrisAldrich Our friend @khurtwilliams on The #IndieWeb and @WordPress http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/27/indieweb-on-wordpress-by-khurt-williams/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPqxegWVQAAxbYI.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/935255687248060416)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://islandinthenet.com/indieweb-wordpress/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=feedpress.me&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+island (from http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/27/indieweb-on-wordpress-by-khurt-williams/)
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@autimodo The #Indieweb, which we used to know as simply the Web. <sigh> https://twitter.com/OpenRightsGroup/status/935237061203955714 (twitter.com/_/status/935264050895835140)
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@frankmeeuwsen [Mijn #IndieWeb reisverslag...] Hoe werken Webmentions? http://diggingthedigital.com/webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/935265770556280833)
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gRegorLove Anyone else publishing /throwback posts? I just added an IndieWeb Examples section if you want to add yourself.
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GWG Hello, gRegorLove
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tantek what is a throwback
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Loqi A throwback is a current post of content from some time ago, typically at least days, often years https://indieweb.org/throwback
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KartikPrabhu is that a repost?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I think the content wasn't posted before
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KartikPrabhu oh
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tantek gRegorLove: your examples sound like reposts though - of other people's photos (even if they have you in them)
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tantek this sounds like a repost: "link to the original photo post on Facebook and credit the person who took the photo"
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tantek though I get why it may feel like a throwback
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gRegorLove True. Throwback posts as I've seen them on Facebook are also reposts.
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gRegorLove what is repost?
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Loqi A repost on the indieweb is a post that is purely a 100% re-publication of another post. The act of reposting is an umbrella term that covers the general practice of republishing another post typically on the same service or silo, but more and more across sites https://indieweb.org/repost
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gRegorLove Ok, most /throwback I see on Facebook aren't strictly reposts I guess, since they usually include extra text. More like a quote tweet in that regard.
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gRegorLove So I guess I need clarification between /throwback, /repost, and /quote
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aaronpk Isn't a throwback post more about the actual text of the post and what it's about rather than any sort of structural thing?
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gRegorLove Regardless of the proper term, it feels nice to be capturing silo content from 10 years ago on my own site :)
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tantek that is pretty amazing
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gRegorLove I've never really uploaded photos to FB, but lots of friends have and I like having those memories on my site
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tantek still dreading how to do that with everything on Flickr (which I have local copies of, but not all the responses (favorites, comments, tags, person-tags))
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Yeah, it does seem a key component is indicating it's an older post. Timehop frames the post and indicates at the top "X years ago"
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aaronpk for real. flickr is still a huge missing piece for me.
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tantek at least we have backfeed from Flickr working for new posts right?
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tantek though I don't know if Bridgy yet supports tags and person-tags backfeed from Flickr
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tantek checks github
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snarfed argh check the docs first!
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aaronpk i barely post anything publicly on flickr anymore, instagram basically took over that use case for me
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tantek aaronpk I POSSE to it only because Bridgy makes it easy to do so
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tantek ok snarfed, checking docs first
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snarfed anticlimactic; it doesn't. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/488
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Loqi [tantek] #488 backfeed person tags (especially on photos)
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snarfed it includes person tags in the mf2, but doesn't send them to tag-ees
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tantek huh somehow I missed filing an issue about backfeeding just plain tags
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snarfed ? confused
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tantek tag != person-tag
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snarfed sure, but i don't know how they'd be backfed
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snarfed since tags aren't people or websites...?
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tantek patience, I'm writing the issue!
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snarfed lol
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snarfed we also need indie examples of receiving/consuming person tag wms. none on https://indieweb.org/photo
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snarfed i kinda suspect no one has done it yet
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tantek perhaps I should file a webmention io feature request to do so so I can add those to my photo posts via another embed fo streams tmbm
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tantek snarfed, spoiler: https://indieweb.org/tag-reply#How_to_simple_tag-reply
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snarfed the wmio feature request would be to add category as a new type filter?
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snarfed ahh ok. tantek do you have a example of tag reply in a silo?
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snarfed expects only FB, if any ?
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tantek https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/776
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Loqi [tantek] #776 backfeed Flickr tags from other users on your photos
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snarfed ah flickr ok
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tantek I think FB only allows person-tag responses, not plain text tag responses
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tantek Flickr was kinda innovative in that way
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tantek social tagging as it were
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snarfed tantek: i'm struggling to find that proposed tag feature on https://www.flickr.com/services/api/ . any ideas?
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tantek takes the Flickr API discussion to #indieweb-dev
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snarfed i haven't found the user feature itself in https://help.yahoo.com/kb/flickr-for-desktop either
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tantek snarfed that's odd as the ability to tag each other's photos was one of the big deals about Flickr
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snarfed i'm not seeing it in the UI either
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snarfed (but i don't really use flickr at all so i'm probably just missing it)
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tantek by default you have to be friends with someone
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tantek in order to tag their photos on Flickr
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snarfed ah ok i see it
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