#indieweb 2017-11-27

2017-11-27 UTC
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Zegnat
Anyone working on a directory like this one for their website yet? https://allipossess.com/
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[jeremycherfas]
No. Also, hello indieweb and Zegnat.
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Zegnat
Good morning [jeremycherfas]
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[jeremycherfas]
After a week away, I’m ignoring the backlog.
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sknebel
good morning indieweb!
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sknebel
Zegnat: didn't rhiaro make a list like that at one point? but I don't think she kept it up to date. (really, I think most people can only reasonably start this when they move ;))
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sknebel
(also this person owns suspiciously little food)
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Zegnat
Yeah, I am bookmarking this as something to do when I move again
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cweiske
500 screws 6x50
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cweiske
498 screws 5x45
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sknebel
cweiske: exactly
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cweiske
746 nails 50mm
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cweiske
have fun counting
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Zegnat
To be honest, I do not own any hardware like that to count :P
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sknebel
I would not look forward to inventorizing the "big box of electronic components"
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sknebel
so yeah, not happening for me, at least not completely
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sknebel
I might make a list of all the books I own at some point, I should go through all of them and sell/give away a bunch anyways
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cweiske
I did that. Borrowed a hardware barcode scanner and scanned all books into calibre.
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Loqi
[Jules Verne] 20000 Meilen unter dem Meer
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Zegnat
Book list is definitely something I am making when I move out and live by myself again
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jeremycherfas
cweiske There must be an app that would do the same.
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cweiske
there are barcodescanner phone apps, yes
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cweiske
but the hardware scanner was faster and more accurate
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jeremycherfas
Most of the apps tend to be geared towards selling the books.
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sknebel
I use a scanner app in bookstores, to remember books that look interesting but I don't want to buy right now
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sknebel
What is wishlist?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "wishlist" yet. Would you like to create it?
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jeremycherfas
That's interesting sknebel. I just take a photo of the cover.
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cweiske
I use the "barcode scanner" app from zxing, which is open source and ad free
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cweiske
but it doesn't help when you want to scan 200+ books in a go
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[miklb]
has anyone written up the difference between Google’s/schema.org Event markup and mf2? https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/events
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[miklb]
the post basically about people spamming events with sales is what led me to be curious about the differences https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2017/11/a-reminder-about-event-markup.html
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@manton2
On this morning’s episode of my short-form podcast Timetable: plans for the week including IndieWebCamp promotion and the http://Micro.blog launch. http://timetable.manton.org/2017/11/episode-83-event-countdown/
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sknebel
[miklb]: haven't seen any detailed look into it (I know some people have added it on sites they work on, but no specifics)
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[miklb]
thanks. I don’t have a practical use for events currently, but would interesting to dive into the difference/similarities.
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gRegorLove_
Good morning, indieweb
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rhiaro
sknebel, Zegnat: I blogged when I downsized into backpacks: https://rhiaro.co.uk/2016/10/i-nomad and have continued to log all purchases: https://rhiaro.co.uk/stuff so from that you can extrapolate what I own now. Except I don't log when I get rid of stuff, which has happened more than acquring stuff in the last year. When I get on the move again in Jan/Feb I'll blog again cos I'm doing to downsize to one 40L backpack
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schmarty
good morning, gRegorLove_ !
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tantek
rhiaro: I have been thinking about that during this season of acquisition
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tantek
my goal is to get rid of at least 2x more things than I acquire
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tantek
til the end of the year at least
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Zegnat
“I'm doing to downsize to one 40L backpack” - I’d love to have that as a goal, but never going to happen, haha
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Loqi
hehe
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tantek
Zegnat, any incremental progress of downsizing is good
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rhiaro
when I left boston I got to a 40L and a 52L.. by the time I got back to europe 7 months later I was just the 52L.. then I got some more stuff cos winter happened and I didn't have any winter clothes. But when I leave most of that is staying in Bosnia
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Zegnat
Oh, yeah, I have downsized when I moved to the Netherlands.
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rhiaro
hostelling and getting backpack envy of people with less stuff than you is really motivating
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Zegnat
The biggest problem for me are books, board games, and LEGO. Bulky and valuable to me. Other things I can downsize away almost completely.
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rhiaro
I took a deep breath and gave all my books away. It was good.
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rhiaro
now I entertain myself with one book at a time, and just continually trade with people I meet or hostels
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tantek
rhiaro, just as you have posts for acquiring stuff (or is that only purchasing?), I've thought about posts for discarding stuff (donating etc.)
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rhiaro
but this is offtopic
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tantek
I mean I've done photo posts of "here's stuff I'm donating if anyone wants it"
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tantek
that's the closest real world example I have
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rhiaro
When I left Edinburgh I took pictures of all the stuff I donated intending to log that, but there was too much an dI never bothered
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gRegorLove
Way back in the day I think I posted links to books I was selling on half.com (now eBay)
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tantek
gRegorLove: yes, "listing" posts are another thing
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tantek
there was an hListing microformat back in the day that some folks used for a while
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aaronpk
[miklb]: I did that for review markup a while back, maybe I should do it again for events :)
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[miklb]
I would be interested for sure aaronpk. One of my projects for new year is to finally launch my local music calendar.
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@derhess
Don't forget: Homebrew Website Club #Berlin #17 on Thursday! November, the 30th starting at 7 p.m. Check out here https://indieweb.org/events/2017-11-30-homebrew-website-club or here https://www.meetup.com/de-DE/Indie-Web-Homebrew-Website-Club/events/245333572/ #indieweb #web #Webdesign #webdev #meetup #colearning #community
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@taravancil
@ChrisAldrich @BeakerBrowser @indiewebcamp Whoa cool! I had no idea there was going to be an @IndieWebCamp in Austin
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grantcodes2
I did a similar thing when I went down to one backpack too, just had a page with a list of things for sale. Didn't look into any microformats for it though
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[manton]
Didn't realize the BeakerBrowser folks were in Austin. That's cool.
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@t
Event: Homebrew Website Club SF At: 2017-11-29 17:00 @MozSF RSVP: http://tantek.com/e/4re1
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "IndieWeb on WordPress" by Khürt Williams on 2017-11-27 https://tracking.feedpress.it/link/1771/7538929
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@OpenRightsGroup
Tired of Twitter? Fed up with Facebook? Miss the variety and quirkiness of the open web? Be the change you want to see in the world by coming to @OpenRightsBrum's introduction to the #Indieweb! @indiewebcamp https://www.meetup.com/ORG-Birmingham/events/244943786/
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tantek
woot!
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Loqi
giggles
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "IndieWeb on WordPress by Khürt Williams" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-11-27 http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/27/indieweb-on-wordpress-by-khurt-williams/
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@autimodo
The #Indieweb, which we used to know as simply the Web. <sigh> https://twitter.com/OpenRightsGroup/status/935237061203955714
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@frankmeeuwsen
[Mijn #IndieWeb reisverslag...] Hoe werken Webmentions? http://diggingthedigital.com/webmentions/
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gRegorLove
Anyone else publishing /throwback posts? I just added an IndieWeb Examples section if you want to add yourself.
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GWG
Hello, gRegorLove
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tantek
what is a throwback
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Loqi
A throwback is a current post of content from some time ago, typically at least days, often years https://indieweb.org/throwback
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KartikPrabhu
is that a repost?
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: I think the content wasn't posted before
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tantek
gRegorLove: your examples sound like reposts though - of other people's photos (even if they have you in them)
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tantek
this sounds like a repost: "link to the original photo post on Facebook and credit the person who took the photo"
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tantek
though I get why it may feel like a throwback
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gRegorLove
True. Throwback posts as I've seen them on Facebook are also reposts.
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gRegorLove
what is repost?
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Loqi
A repost on the indieweb is a post that is purely a 100% re-publication of another post. The act of reposting is an umbrella term that covers the general practice of republishing another post typically on the same service or silo, but more and more across sites https://indieweb.org/repost
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gRegorLove
Ok, most /throwback I see on Facebook aren't strictly reposts I guess, since they usually include extra text. More like a quote tweet in that regard.
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gRegorLove
So I guess I need clarification between /throwback, /repost, and /quote
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aaronpk
Isn't a throwback post more about the actual text of the post and what it's about rather than any sort of structural thing?
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gRegorLove
Regardless of the proper term, it feels nice to be capturing silo content from 10 years ago on my own site :)
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tantek
that is pretty amazing
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gRegorLove
I've never really uploaded photos to FB, but lots of friends have and I like having those memories on my site
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tantek
still dreading how to do that with everything on Flickr (which I have local copies of, but not all the responses (favorites, comments, tags, person-tags))
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gRegorLove
aaronpk: Yeah, it does seem a key component is indicating it's an older post. Timehop frames the post and indicates at the top "X years ago"
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aaronpk
for real. flickr is still a huge missing piece for me.
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tantek
at least we have backfeed from Flickr working for new posts right?
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tantek
though I don't know if Bridgy yet supports tags and person-tags backfeed from Flickr
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tantek
checks github
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snarfed
argh check the docs first!
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aaronpk
i barely post anything publicly on flickr anymore, instagram basically took over that use case for me
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tantek
aaronpk I POSSE to it only because Bridgy makes it easy to do so
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tantek
ok snarfed, checking docs first
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Loqi
[tantek] #488 backfeed person tags (especially on photos)
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snarfed
it includes person tags in the mf2, but doesn't send them to tag-ees
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tantek
huh somehow I missed filing an issue about backfeeding just plain tags
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snarfed
? confused
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tantek
tag != person-tag
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snarfed
sure, but i don't know how they'd be backfed
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snarfed
since tags aren't people or websites...?
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tantek
patience, I'm writing the issue!
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snarfed
we also need indie examples of receiving/consuming person tag wms. none on https://indieweb.org/photo
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snarfed
i kinda suspect no one has done it yet
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tantek
perhaps I should file a webmention io feature request to do so so I can add those to my photo posts via another embed fo streams tmbm
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snarfed
the wmio feature request would be to add category as a new type filter?
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snarfed
ahh ok. tantek do you have a example of tag reply in a silo?
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snarfed
expects only FB, if any ?
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Loqi
[tantek] #776 backfeed Flickr tags from other users on your photos
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snarfed
ah flickr ok
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tantek
I think FB only allows person-tag responses, not plain text tag responses
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tantek
Flickr was kinda innovative in that way
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tantek
social tagging as it were
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snarfed
tantek: i'm struggling to find that proposed tag feature on https://www.flickr.com/services/api/ . any ideas?
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tantek
takes the Flickr API discussion to #indieweb-dev
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snarfed
i haven't found the user feature itself in https://help.yahoo.com/kb/flickr-for-desktop either
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tantek
snarfed that's odd as the ability to tag each other's photos was one of the big deals about Flickr
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snarfed
i'm not seeing it in the UI either
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snarfed
(but i don't really use flickr at all so i'm probably just missing it)
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tantek
by default you have to be friends with someone
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tantek
in order to tag their photos on Flickr
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snarfed
ah ok i see it
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