#indieweb 2017-12-24

2017-12-24 UTC
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@callovarne My #newwwyear plans 👨‍💻: 1. starting today 2. automating site infrastructure with #Terraform: Ghost blog, #LetsEncrypt TLS, scheduled database backups; bonus points for new content, #IndieWeb features, push-button restore 3. due 31 January 2018 https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/943323088405581824 (twitter.com/_/status/944728050553389056)
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[mrkrndvs] Just posted a reflection on developing my #indieweb inspired site for bringing together my presence on the web https://readwriterespond.com/2017/12/read-write-collect/
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Loqi [Aaron Davis] Co-claiming and Gathering Together – Developing Read Write Collect https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/d00e7ca24ca1b9c853da43af229c0e0e?s=100&d=mm&r=g
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Co-claiming and Gathering Together - Developing Read Write Collect" on 2017-12-24 https://mrkrndvs.tumblr.com/post/168882029437
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@johnjohnston Co-claiming and Gathering Together – Developing Read Write Collect by Aaron Davis (Read Write Respond) A reflection on developing a site building upon the ideas of the #IndieWeb to bring together all my disparate pieces around the web in one place. ... http://johnjohnston.info/blog/%f0%9f%91%8d-co-claiming-and-gathering-together-developing-read-write-collect/ (twitter.com/_/status/944840287519756288)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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Loqi Zegnat: chrisaldrich left you a message 1 day, 13 hours ago: AltPlatform was an experiment that Rick didn't think was getting the traction he had hoped, so he let it die. Fortunately there was /PASTA so all was not lost.
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sknebel good morning!
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Zegnat Any IndieWeb plans today or is everyone concentrating on the end-of-year holidays?
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dgold Winterval!
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dgold Zegnat: i'm presently debating internally between a) refining what I have or b) going mad with composer and external libraries to create a monster
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Zegnat I am spending the morning setting up XRay
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dgold that's what I'm doing!
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dgold well, reading & learning xray
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KartikPrabhu what is xray?
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KartikPrabhu what is xray?
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Loqi XRay is an open source API that returns structured data for a URL by parsing microformats and following other indieweb algorithms, and is part of the p3k suite of applications https://indieweb.org/XRay
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Zegnat Since most of aaronpk’s tools use it in the background, for testing purposes I want to be able to run it offline on my projects :)
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dgold i've been playing with it as a library; is the API more featureful?
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Zegnat Should both give you exactly the same things.
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Zegnat !tell chrisaldrich have you thought about just publishing a backup of all articles from AltPlatform? (Also by others than you?) I think everything had a CC licence?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek indeed
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sknebel seems like archive.org has pretty good coverage of it if no other source is available
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Zegnat Google Cache may also have some pages, though those have been spotty for me
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Co-claiming and Gathering Together - Developing Read Write Collect" https://readwriterespond.com/2017/12/read-write-collect/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/24/2/)
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Zegnat Wow. I have never seen this before. A GitHub repo marked as an archive within the GitHub UI rather than just the README: https://github.com/thephpleague/url
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Loqi [thephpleague] url: A simple PHP library to parse and manipulate URLs
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aaronpk so that's what that button does
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aaronpk launched last month https://github.com/blog/2460-archiving-repositories
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Zegnat I should maybe subscribe to that blog
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Loqi totally
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gRegorLove Speaking of Internet Archive: https://twitter.com/internetarchive/status/944720521513406465
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@internetarchive Wow! Gift of a lifetime to the open world! Pineapple Fund just gifted $1M in bitcoin to @internetarchive. We are blown away -- we’ll strive to preserve our digital world. THANK YOU #pineapplefund 🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🎉🌟🌍🚀 2018 looking up! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRxSIshUMAA3gt8.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/944720521513406465)
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aaronpk wow, think they could spare a few bitcoin for indiewebcamp?
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GWG Maybe for hosting
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[miklb] or to fund a team to build Vouch…
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GWG [miklb]: Can I have some of it?
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[miklb] asking the wrong person 🙂
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GWG [miklb]: tantek told me I should get payments working on my site
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dgold how does one go about doing that?
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aaronpk What is Pay?
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Loqi payment in the context of the indieweb refers to a feature on an indie web site that provides a way for the visitor to that website to pay (currency, gift card credit, etc.) the person represented by that indie web site https://indieweb.org/pay
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gRegorLove GWG: I was thinking about /pay in regard to paying you for IWC Baltimore hotel. :)
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GWG dgold: Watch the session from IWC Austin.
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dgold I'll add it to the list
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gRegorLove dgold: short version is you create a page with links to the ways you can accept money. Can also append an amount to request a specific amount like /pay/10
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gRegorLove Easier to give someone a URL than say "send to this email on this service..."
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gRegorLove tantek.com/pay for example
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aaronpk Mine accepts Apple Pay :-)
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dgold aye, I'm looking at the stripe docs atm; it seems less than clear what they provide
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dgold "Checkout generates normal Stripe tokens for use on your server."
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gRegorLove Stripe tokenizes credit card information on their server, so it never touches yours. You get the token and submit it along with the payment details to their API.
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dgold so... the js they provide only gives you _tokens_, which you then have to utilize to ontain payment?
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gRegorLove That's if you want to build a direct payment form on your site.
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gRegorLove what is Stripe?
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Loqi Stripe is a service for processing credit card payments https://indieweb.org/Stripe
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gRegorLove Didn't realize PayPal owns Venmo.
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gRegorLove For those who use Venmo, is it easier than PayPal? Or cheaper fees?
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dgold looks like they don't charge _anything_ for non-cc payments
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dgold and (of course) it is us-only
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aaronpk The paypal app and interface has gotten better Forbes personal payments but I do think Venmo is still a bit simpler
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gRegorLove Venmo payment history is all public, too, right? Or did that change?
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gRegorLove Or public-to-your network?
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@steveivy I'm reaching a decision point in my blog publishing again: go full indieweb and find a host and manage software, or be happy with half-measures but not have to worry about hosting? https://toot.cafe/@sivy/99231231905594354 (twitter.com/_/status/945034720588455936)
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aaronpk You can mark them private but I think it's public by default
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dgold square cash also "Not available in your territory"
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dgold it _is_ available in the UK, which is kind of all sorts of hillarious
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KartikPrabhu local laws probably
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dgold KartikPrabhu: local laws which apply in the UK, but not in the rest of the EU
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dgold ??
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KartikPrabhu dgold: hmm did UKs (soon former) arrangement not include such things?
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KartikPrabhu I am not very sure
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[miklb] I wouldn’t want to guess how Irish banks are dealt with considering so much off shore money passes through them.
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dgold [miklb]: very little money runs through the irish banks
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[miklb] ok. That’s the perception here in the US, companies setting up offices in Ireland to stash money to avoid taxes.
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dgold you didn't think the MNCs actually provide a _benefit_ to the local economy, did you?
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dgold that perception is very _very_ incorrect
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KartikPrabhu dgold: ok pretty off topic now I guess
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KartikPrabhu :)
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dgold irish banks are (largely) on the verge of illiquidity
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dgold and yeah
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dgold -> chat
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@ChrisAldrich Our #indieweb friend @dshanske has kindly improved the Post Kinds plugin (v2.7.6) to include audio posts out of the box. This reminds me I need to get back to making my microcast so that I've got more than just the one episode. http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/24/audio-in-post-kinds-plugin/ (twitter.com/_/status/945055035355840512)
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@schmarty Your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for December 16th - 22nd, 2017. https://martymcgui.re/2017/12/24/182250/ (twitter.com/_/status/945072988906573824)
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@huffduffer This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • December 16th - 22nd, 2017 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/449401 (twitter.com/_/status/945073153465835521)
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