#indieweb 2018-01-14

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KartikPrabhu does anyone know how Twitter orders "replies" ? does not seem to be time-ordered e.g.: https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/952329596296417280
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@doctorow Dr Seuss Repeats from 1941 h/t Fipi Lele https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTdauEcW4AEcFoQ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/952329596296417280)
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Guerillero KartikPrabhu: Age + reactions + Verified Status + number of followers
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Guerillero no idea on the weights
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KartikPrabhu <sheesh> ok
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KartikPrabhu thanks
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KartikPrabhu Guerillero: is this documented somehwere?
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Guerillero no idea. This comes from lots of time on twitter
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KartikPrabhu cool! thanks anyway
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KartikPrabhu Guerillero: found it https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-conversations#ranking
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tantek wow good find
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tantek that's worth documenting, either on /Twitter, or perhaps on /comments#Twitter (inside a Silo Examples section if there isn't one already)
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KartikPrabhu what is comments?
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Loqi Comments are displayed in the context of an original post, and may be a mix of syndicated reply posts from other sites received via Webmention, as well as locally created comments https://indieweb.org/comments
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Loqi [superfeedr] "How To Make A Self Hosted Wordpress Blog Work With Micro Blog" on 2018-01-13 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ThePhoneBoyBlog/~3/Hb7E4T_6U0k/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "A Self-Hosted WordPress Blog with Micro.Blog" on 2018-01-14 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ThePhoneBoyBlog/~3/kmhUoFBarAc/
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[joe]1 Hey! Dropping by to test my Webmention support. https://bitworking.org/news/2018/01/one-million-webmentions
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Loqi [Joe Gregorio] One Million Webmentions
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[joe]1 success!
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[chrisaldrich] joe++ on being able to send and receive webmentions
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Loqi joe has 1 karma in this channel (3 overall)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reply to 2018: Some Hope by Brent Simmons" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-01-14 http://boffosocko.com/2018/01/14/reply-to-2018-some-hope-by-brent-simmons/
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tomasparks hello
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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tomasparks same
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jeremycherfas Good morning Zegnat and the rest of the IndieWeb
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sknebel good morning!
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jeremycherfas Morning sknebel
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[colinwalker] Morning all (just)
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jeremycherfas Nah. Morning by agreement is when you first appear here after a break.
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Zegnat What is UGT?
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Loqi Universal Greeting Time is the convention of greeting people in online chat with "good morning" regardless of the local time of day of either person https://indieweb.org/UGT
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jeremycherfas Zegnat++ for being more meta than I could possibly be.
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Loqi zegnat has 82 karma in this channel (168 overall)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "LinkedIn is ignoring user settings" on 2018-01-14 https://petermolnar.net/linkedin-public-settings-ignored/
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tomasparks I have group thoughts, I would like to get off my chest, but they are self incriminating, i wondering what is the best way to post them on my website
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Zegnat Oh, Superfeedr beat my feed reader to the punch.
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Zegnat goes to read petermolnar’s blog.
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Zegnat tomasparks, hmmm
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Zegnat What is private post?
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Loqi private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen or previously approved by the author https://indieweb.org/private_post
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tomasparks i looked at private post,I felt it was not suitable, the methods i can think of are Encryption or Steganography
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Zegnat Wouldn’t encryption just be another form of private post? Except that everyone can request the encrypted version.
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tomasparks good point
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GWG Morning all
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Zegnat If you have any ideas on how you would allow people to decrypt in an easy way, do document on the private post page, tomasparks :)
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tomasparks i know there are js libraries for decryption, but i dont want to go down that path
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tomasparks also i cant post to indieweb wiki yet
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Zegnat Oh, right, because we are apparently blocking GitHub hosted websites.
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dgold we are?
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Zegnat Yes (https://github.com/indieweb/mediawiki-extensions/blob/master/LassoAuth.php#L19)
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Zegnat I have conflicted feelings about that, because the list of hostnames to block becomes a little arbitrary, but that link shows the current limitations
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Zegnat dgold, as someone who didn’t know about the blocked hosts, would a page like this make sense on the wiki? https://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se_martijn/blocked_hosts
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aaronpk "Blocked hosts" sounds like hosting providers that are blocked which is not what's happening
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Zegnat Yeah, I don’t like the title either.
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aaronpk "Blocked subdomains" is clearer, other than that I like the page
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Zegnat Ooh, I like subdomains!
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Zegnat I was going between domains/hosts/hostnames. Domains seemed to all-encompassing and hostnames to jargony.
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aaronpk "Subdomains" also hints at the solution being to get a real domain
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aaronpk To be clear, we are not blocking github hosted sites. We are blocking github.io identities. You can certainly host your website on github as long as you have your own domain name.
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Zegnat Alright, rewrote to use subdomain and provider: https://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se_martijn/blocked_hosts - better, aaronpk? (Do not mind the URL.)
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aaronpk tomasparks: out of curiosity, what's stopping you from getting a domain name?
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aaronpk Zegnat: good enough to start with, we can always change it later :-)
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Zegnat What are blocked subdomains?
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Loqi The blocked subdomains on the wiki are subdomains offered by hosting providers that cannot be used to login with https://indieweb.org/blocked_subdomains
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Zegnat There we go!
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tomasparks aaronpk: Re: domain I have not got around to it, its on my todo list
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dgold Zegnat: yes, that page makes a lot of sense
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dgold i honestly wouldn't have understood what was meant
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@calum_ryan Listing some new guides and content for IndieWeb Guides (a work in progress) Pull requests welcome! https://indiewebguides.org (twitter.com/_/status/952605081697968128)
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@aswath @PhoneBoy Wouldn't that be antithetical to IndieWeb? Personally I prefer OpenID (at a practical level it has to be self-hosted) (twitter.com/_/status/952610981552840704)
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GWG I think someone needs to get into that conversation. Not sure its me
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sl007 cool. just BTW https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/zmqgn4/facebook-algorithm-news-feed-change
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dgold GWG: I feel the same; again, not the best person to do so
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@PhoneBoy IndieWeb Auth seems like another system designed by geeks that normal people will never be able to figure out and u… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/952614828841099268 (twitter.com/_/status/952614828841099268)
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dgold wahey! I won my bet with myself
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aaronpk not really sure what he's referring to, "IndieWeb Auth" is not a term we've ever used
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jjuran “Way to be open and inclusive, guys!” <— Sounds like trolling.
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dgold jjuran: you think?
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aaronpk I don't really have the patience for that kind of negativity. I'm just going to stop replying to him.
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dgold he has very strong antipathy for indieweb-type things
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dgold he's quite difficult to deal with
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Zegnat “IndieWeb Auth” just goes to show that it isn’t clear to people yet that IndieWeb doesn’t have 1 true way of authentication.
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Zegnat And different people have been implementing different things for different use-cases (IndieAuth, RelMeAuth, ...)
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[kevinmarks] Not sure if normal people can figure out links, yet assumes they can deal with dns?
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[kevinmarks] What's the meme syntax?
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Zegnat [kevinmarks]: https://indieweb.org/Loqi#Meme_image_generation
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dgold [kevinmarks]: https://is.gd/ppSg4C
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chrisaldrich good morning
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chrisaldrich Looks like we've all been neglecting the Wikipedia "mention" page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mention_(blogging)
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[kevinmarks] https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/exclusive-networks-of-teens-are-making-thousands-of-dollars?utm_source=indieweb
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "1 Million Webmentions" https://snarfed.org/1-million-webmentions
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, #indieweb
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gRegorLove This was an interesting allegation against Instagram delaying showing "likes". The CTO responded saying they don't. https://qz.com/1179432/instagram-allegedly-withholds-likes-to-addict-users-and-keep-them-coming-back-for-more/
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[kevinmarks] eventual consistency interpreted as malice
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/950690775397949440
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@kevinmarks @craigstuntz "eventually consistent" means "when you eventually replace mongodb" (twitter.com/_/status/950690775397949440)
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sknebel was there actual examples of late delivery in the source, or just that likes appear bit by bit (e.g. because ppl only see/like thepost later)?
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aaronpk My understanding was people were seeing the notification clustering
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