#indieweb 2018-01-14

2018-01-14 UTC
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KartikPrabhu
does anyone know how Twitter orders "replies" ? does not seem to be time-ordered e.g.: https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/952329596296417280
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Guerillero
KartikPrabhu: Age + reactions + Verified Status + number of followers
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Guerillero
no idea on the weights
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KartikPrabhu
<sheesh> ok
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KartikPrabhu
Guerillero: is this documented somehwere?
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Guerillero
no idea. This comes from lots of time on twitter
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KartikPrabhu
cool! thanks anyway
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tantek
wow good find
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tantek
that's worth documenting, either on /Twitter, or perhaps on /comments#Twitter (inside a Silo Examples section if there isn't one already)
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KartikPrabhu
what is comments?
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Loqi
Comments are displayed in the context of an original post, and may be a mix of syndicated reply posts from other sites received via Webmention, as well as locally created comments https://indieweb.org/comments
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "How To Make A Self Hosted Wordpress Blog Work With Micro Blog" on 2018-01-13 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ThePhoneBoyBlog/~3/Hb7E4T_6U0k/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "A Self-Hosted WordPress Blog with Micro.Blog" on 2018-01-14 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ThePhoneBoyBlog/~3/kmhUoFBarAc/
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[joe]1
Hey! Dropping by to test my Webmention support. https://bitworking.org/news/2018/01/one-million-webmentions
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Loqi
[Joe Gregorio] One Million Webmentions
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[joe]1
success!
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[chrisaldrich]
joe++ on being able to send and receive webmentions
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Loqi
joe has 1 karma in this channel (3 overall)
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Reply to 2018: Some Hope by Brent Simmons" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-01-14 http://boffosocko.com/2018/01/14/reply-to-2018-some-hope-by-brent-simmons/
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tomasparks
hello
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb
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tomasparks
same
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jeremycherfas
Good morning Zegnat and the rest of the IndieWeb
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sknebel
good morning!
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jeremycherfas
Morning sknebel
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[colinwalker]
Morning all (just)
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jeremycherfas
Nah. Morning by agreement is when you first appear here after a break.
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Zegnat
What is UGT?
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Loqi
Universal Greeting Time is the convention of greeting people in online chat with "good morning" regardless of the local time of day of either person https://indieweb.org/UGT
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jeremycherfas
Zegnat++ for being more meta than I could possibly be.
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Loqi
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "LinkedIn is ignoring user settings" on 2018-01-14 https://petermolnar.net/linkedin-public-settings-ignored/
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tomasparks
I have group thoughts, I would like to get off my chest, but they are self incriminating, i wondering what is the best way to post them on my website
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Zegnat
Oh, Superfeedr beat my feed reader to the punch.
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Zegnat
goes to read petermolnar’s blog.
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Zegnat
tomasparks, hmmm
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Zegnat
What is private post?
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Loqi
private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen or previously approved by the author https://indieweb.org/private_post
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tomasparks
i looked at private post,I felt it was not suitable, the methods i can think of are Encryption or Steganography
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Zegnat
Wouldn’t encryption just be another form of private post? Except that everyone can request the encrypted version.
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tomasparks
good point
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GWG
Morning all
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Zegnat
If you have any ideas on how you would allow people to decrypt in an easy way, do document on the private post page, tomasparks :)
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tomasparks
i know there are js libraries for decryption, but i dont want to go down that path
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tomasparks
also i cant post to indieweb wiki yet
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Zegnat
Oh, right, because we are apparently blocking GitHub hosted websites.
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dgold
we are?
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Zegnat
I have conflicted feelings about that, because the list of hostnames to block becomes a little arbitrary, but that link shows the current limitations
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Zegnat
dgold, as someone who didn’t know about the blocked hosts, would a page like this make sense on the wiki? https://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se_martijn/blocked_hosts
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aaronpk
"Blocked hosts" sounds like hosting providers that are blocked which is not what's happening
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Zegnat
Yeah, I don’t like the title either.
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aaronpk
"Blocked subdomains" is clearer, other than that I like the page
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Zegnat
Ooh, I like subdomains!
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Zegnat
I was going between domains/hosts/hostnames. Domains seemed to all-encompassing and hostnames to jargony.
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aaronpk
"Subdomains" also hints at the solution being to get a real domain
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aaronpk
To be clear, we are not blocking github hosted sites. We are blocking github.io identities. You can certainly host your website on github as long as you have your own domain name.
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Zegnat
Alright, rewrote to use subdomain and provider: https://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se_martijn/blocked_hosts - better, aaronpk? (Do not mind the URL.)
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aaronpk
tomasparks: out of curiosity, what's stopping you from getting a domain name?
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aaronpk
Zegnat: good enough to start with, we can always change it later :-)
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Zegnat
What are blocked subdomains?
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Loqi
The blocked subdomains on the wiki are subdomains offered by hosting providers that cannot be used to login with https://indieweb.org/blocked_subdomains
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Zegnat
There we go!
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tomasparks
aaronpk: Re: domain I have not got around to it, its on my todo list
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dgold
Zegnat: yes, that page makes a lot of sense
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dgold
i honestly wouldn't have understood what was meant
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@calum_ryan
Listing some new guides and content for IndieWeb Guides (a work in progress) Pull requests welcome! https://indiewebguides.org
(twtr.io/1_XZsvS4f28)
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@aswath
@PhoneBoy Wouldn't that be antithetical to IndieWeb? Personally I prefer OpenID (at a practical level it has to be self-hosted)
(twtr.io/1_XazNgnak4)
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GWG
I think someone needs to get into that conversation. Not sure its me
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dgold
GWG: I feel the same; again, not the best person to do so
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@PhoneBoy
IndieWeb Auth seems like another system designed by geeks that normal people will never be able to figure out and u… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/952614828841099268
(twtr.io/1_XcMqLTJg8)
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dgold
wahey! I won my bet with myself
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aaronpk
not really sure what he's referring to, "IndieWeb Auth" is not a term we've ever used
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jjuran
“Way to be open and inclusive, guys!” <— Sounds like trolling.
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dgold
jjuran: you think?
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aaronpk
I don't really have the patience for that kind of negativity. I'm just going to stop replying to him.
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dgold
he has very strong antipathy for indieweb-type things
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dgold
he's quite difficult to deal with
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Zegnat
“IndieWeb Auth” just goes to show that it isn’t clear to people yet that IndieWeb doesn’t have 1 true way of authentication.
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Zegnat
And different people have been implementing different things for different use-cases (IndieAuth, RelMeAuth, ...)
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[kevinmarks]
Not sure if normal people can figure out links, yet assumes they can deal with dns?
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[kevinmarks]
What's the meme syntax?
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chrisaldrich
good morning
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chrisaldrich
Looks like we've all been neglecting the Wikipedia "mention" page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mention_(blogging)
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "1 Million Webmentions" https://snarfed.org/1-million-webmentions
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gRegorLove
Good afternoon, #indieweb
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gRegorLove
This was an interesting allegation against Instagram delaying showing "likes". The CTO responded saying they don't. https://qz.com/1179432/instagram-allegedly-withholds-likes-to-addict-users-and-keep-them-coming-back-for-more/
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[kevinmarks]
eventual consistency interpreted as malice
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@kevinmarks
@craigstuntz "eventually consistent" means "when you eventually replace mongodb"
(twtr.io/1_LA2gmcuqf)
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sknebel
was there actual examples of late delivery in the source, or just that likes appear bit by bit (e.g. because ppl only see/like thepost later)?
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aaronpk
My understanding was people were seeing the notification clustering
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