#indieweb 2018-01-16

2018-01-16 UTC
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Made it to my destination safe & sound. Figured out the next big thing I want to build for my site, specifically for the #newwwyear: * POSSE issues^1 & replies to GitHub as part of my #indieweb 2018 stretch goal of owning/POSSEing all my public posts with content (not counting likes^2, reacji^3 etc.). I’m specifically postponing edits (like edits to wiki pages, pull requests), realtime chat (like IRC, Slack), and contributions to various commons^4 sites such as Wikipedia, wiki.mozilla.org, and the indieweb.org wiki, where they both show clear authorship, and their licenses do not prevent me in any way from using or backfilling that content to my own site eventually. ^1 https://indieweb.org/issue — the IndieWeb community has both thought about and built examples of how to post issues to your own site and syndicate them to GitHub. I’ll be using and contributing any improvements to that work. ^2 https://indieweb.org/like - though I’ve implemented like posts on my site (see that page for a lot of my design thinking), and have owned all my Twitter favorites for a while, more/better "likes" is not a priority for me in 2018. ^3 https://indieweb.org/reacji - similar to like, there is a lot more UX work to do to make the indieweb experience of posting reacji or reactions (indieweb.org/reaction) in general even close to as smooth as on silos. Or perhaps that’s more work than using those existing UIs with services like OwnYourGram to PESOS reactions to my site. Or good reaction UX may require first building an integrated reader (indieweb.org/reader) into my site. ^4 https://indieweb.org/commons" by Tantek on 2018-01-16 http://tantek.com/2018/015/t1/made-destination-figured-out-newwwyear
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KartikPrabhu oh boy! should Loqi truncate/summarise long posts?
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aaronpk lol wow
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gRegorLove I thought Loqi used to
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aaronpk guess not from superfeedr
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KartikPrabhu yeah ^
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KartikPrabhu one could dump a 5000 word article into chats this way
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[miklb] don’t given anyone any ideas 😉
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KartikPrabhu [miklb]: I am hoping aaronpk is faster than the malicious people
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[miklb] I’m confident he is
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@t Made it to my destination safe and sound. Figured out the next big thing I want to build for my site for the #newwwyear: * POSSE issues^1 and replies to GitHub as part of my #indieweb 2018 stretch goal of owning/POSSEing all* my public posts, ... http://tantek.com/t4sS1 (twitter.com/_/status/953065491014279168)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Another addition to the IndieWeb" by Joe Gregorio on 2018-01-15 https://bitworking.org/news/2018/01/another-addition-to-the-indieweb
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Loqi [superfeedr] "So, IndieWeb. Giving this a try. Thanks to indirect suggestions from people like @cleverdevil, and through the help of Known, I'm working to bring my" by Michael Singletary on 2018-01-15 https://singletary.io/2018/so-indieweb-giving-this-a-try-thanks-to-indirect-suggestions
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Loqi [superfeedr] "💬 Weeding My Social Networks" on 2018-01-16 https://mrkrndvs.tumblr.com/post/169763561572
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jjuran That page has a rapidly animated GIF which could be harmful for those with epilepsy (and just annoying for everyone else)
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@samim Keep your eyes on all the action around #ActivityPub - it might be one of the keys that will get the #indieweb to mass adoption. https://twitter.com/Chocobozzz/status/953209157292785664 (twitter.com/_/status/953229004127031296)
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sl007 Hey rhiaro, writing a node.js implementation for ActivityPub and started yesterday with JSON Schema. Are you the one who wrote https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams ?
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Loqi [Amy Guy] ActivityStreams 2.0 Terms
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sl007 I wonder about "content"/"contentMap" [same for "name" and "summary"] …
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aaronpk sl007: you might try asking in #social on irc.w3.org, the ActivityStreams/Pub people hang out there more often
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[kevinmarks] contentMap is if you have content in multiple languages iirc
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sl007 @kevinmarks ok - but I have either the "content" key with a string OR "contentMap" key with a language-object - right ?
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rhiaro sl007: yes
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rhiaro I didn't write the spec though, which is at http://w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core and http://w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary
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Loqi [James M Snell] Activity Streams 2.0
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sl007 rhiaro - cool, and nice piece - basically I just wonder if the 2nd spec. shouldn't mention e.g. "content" and "contentMap" in two different table rows - I mean they are different "Term"s
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rhiaro hm, maybe
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rhiaro they're listed as separate properties in the core and ns though
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rhiaro btw my 'yes' was in answer to your 'I have either..' question
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rhiaro youcould open an issue on the spec (github.com/w3c/activitystreams) and maybe the CG will pick it up for future improvement
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi morning!
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jeremycherfas Hi aaronpk
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@fletcher0xFF @danielpunkass Natural-born microblogger. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/953280407621001216)
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snarfed for those of you who are into tracking your location: https://nelsonslog.wordpress.com/2018/01/16/launched-wanderin-gs/
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GWG snarfed, if they go Android, tell me? No use for me yet
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snarfed GWG: lol. not everything has to be immediately usable. it can still be interesting to look at for ideas, etc
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GWG snarfed, I bookmarked it. But I figured I might miss it if it happens
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aaronpk unlikely they're going to do an Android version given that it stores the data in the user's iCloud account
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GWG I follow several iOS things, but only peripherally
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aaronpk unfortunately this kind of thing is not trivial to just make an Android version of
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GWG The page says Not Me
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[xavierroy] What about Owntracks?
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[xavierroy] But development has stopped on it I think
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[mail] OSMand on android had a location tracker option. And could export file from that?
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aaronpk we keep having this conversation. do we have a wiki page for this yet?
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[xavierroy] https://github.com/LINKIWI/orion-server this looks interesting
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Loqi [LINKIWI] orion-server: Database-backed storage solution for OwnTracks location data
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GWG I switched from Owntracks to Zanzito, the suggested replacement.
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GWG I just need MQTT to some sort of storage solution
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GWG I will get to it eventually.
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GWG I have a temporary solution in mind
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GWG Either way, need this
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/simple-location/issues/56
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Loqi [dshanske] #56 Add support for alternative geolocation
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aaronpk there now there's a bunch of apps listed here https://indieweb.org/Category:location and here https://indieweb.org/location#Location_Tracking_Apps
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sl007 rhiaro - ok, thankyou - I'll do when the JSON schemas are ready (maybe the can use them as well).
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snarfed [joe]: hey, welcome! whoa, just noticed odd
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snarfed er, sorry. just fyi, odd unicode garbage on https://bitworking.org/news/2018/01/one-million-webmentions
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Loqi [Joe Gregorio] One Million Webmentions
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snarfed oh interesting, on firefox but not chrome
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[joe] woah, yeah, can reproduce
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[joe] hmm, maybe a bug with fetch and gzip'd content
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[joe] yup, that was it, should now work on FireFox
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[joe] I disabled all gzip'ing for my entire site though, so I should spend some time figuring out what went wrong there
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snarfed [joe]: looks good!
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[joe] snarfed Thanks! I ended up just turning off gzip for the dynamic content, not for the static content, not sure why FF disliked my gzip => fetch.
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skippy I'm curious if anyone has collected any stats -- for themselves, or aggregates from IndieWeb sites -- around how often visitors use specific features of the tools we provide. That is, how often do visitors actually use a search function? how often do they click tag or category links? things like that.
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snarfed skippy: https://snarfed.org/2018-01-02_bridgy-stats-update-3 has a bit of that
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Bridgy stats update https://snarfed.org/bridgy_stats/2018/costs_vs_users_thumb.png
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snarfed http://www.indiemap.org/ is also loosely related
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Loqi Indie Map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset. 2300 sites, 5.7M pages, 380GB HTML + mf2. Social graph API and interactive ma...
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skippy thanks snarfed. I'm more curious about functions of sites from a visitor perspective. do visitors use search? is that a critical component to provide? i'm mostly just noodling over quantifiable differences between interactive tools (WP, Known, whatever) and static site generators.
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sknebel skippy: I know sgreger has been looking at stats while redesigning his site, but I don't think he's written anything publicly about that yet
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snarfed there's also https://indieweb.org/website-analytics ... but usually the answer around here is to scratch your own itches
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snarfed otherwise broader web dev analytics will probably apply, indieweb isn't that different
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skippy thanks.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "An Introduction to the IndieWeb" on 2018-01-15 https://hugo.soucy.cc/note/2018/01/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb.html
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWeb, Make your social media posts open first" on 2017-11-03 https://hugo.soucy.cc/note/2016/11/indieweb-make-your-social-media-posts-open-first.html
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Indieweb in a nutshellown your identity domain website content uiux" on 2017-11-03 https://hugo.soucy.cc/note/2016/05/indieweb-in-a-nutshellown-your-identity-domain-website-content-uiux.html
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aaronpk I am enjoying this pretty nice back-and-forth experience chatting with someone on micro.blog by posting from my website
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dgold aaronpk: can I ask - how are you getting the permalink for a micro.blog reply?
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aaronpk it's on the timestamp when I click "mentions"
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aaronpk tho now that I think about it, i'm not receiving webmentions for these. is that expected?
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aaronpk goes to ask [manton] in the micro.blog slack
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snarfed candidates for 1M webmentions logo, suitable for custom [cup]cakes: https://snarfed.org/1mwm_cupcake_comic.png , https://snarfed.org/1mwm_cupcake_arial.png
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snarfed i like comic better. the white outline on the 1M needs to be thicker, but so far that's proved beyond my skills
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aaronpk agreed! I can make that for you
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snarfed ooh thanks!
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snarfed i just used comic sans for the 1M
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snarfed open to totally different ideas too, obviously
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dgold You should use Eurostile Extended Bold for for the 1M
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snarfed ducks
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Loqi it is probable
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Zegnat “I can make that for you”, the cupcakes too, aaronpk?
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aaronpk noo haha
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Loqi aaronpk: lol
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ben_thatmustbeme wonders why the M isn't just the W upside down
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ben_thatmustbeme if you get it right, you need to figure out a font that would make a 1 upside down look like a !
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ben_thatmustbeme and then its the same either direction
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ben_thatmustbeme like how this works http://piusmedia.com/images/the%20princess%20bride.jpeg
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ben_thatmustbeme :D
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Zegnat Ambigrams. http://www.johnlangdon.net/#ambigrams
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ben_thatmustbeme didn't know there was a word for that
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ben_thatmustbeme cool
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[kevinmarks] I already did the M for https://mention.tech
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aaronpk different W
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ben_thatmustbeme trying to find the svg for the W
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: I just uploaded it https://indieweb.org/File:webmention-rocks-W.svg
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aaronpk there you go snarfed https://indieweb.org/File:1000000webmentions.svg
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ben_thatmustbeme sing_around.svg
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ben_thatmustbeme oops
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ben_thatmustbeme http://ben.thatmustbe.me/static/messing_around.svg
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ben_thatmustbeme not happy with it, but to get the look of it
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aaronpk lol
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ben_thatmustbeme if anyone wants to iterate on it, please do
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snarfed aaronpk++ woo thanks!
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Loqi aaronpk has 536 karma in this channel (1537 overall)
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme++ too
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snarfed i'm planning to do these for SF HWC next wed: https://cako.com/p/cako-bakery-logo-mini-cupcakes-dozen
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aaronpk haha amazing
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Loqi awesome
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chrisaldrich I've just submitted a Webmentions related article to A List Apart in honor of https://indieweb.org/Webm1m
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aaronpk chrisaldrich++
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chrisaldrich Are there any other outlets we might like to approach?
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ben_thatmustbeme that will be excellent
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Fears of the IndieWeb" by Michael Singletary on 2018-01-16 https://singletary.io/2018/fears-of-the-indieweb
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@singletary Fears of the IndieWeb: https://singletary.io/2018/fears-of-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/953393243026280448)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Fears of the IndieWeb" https://singletary.io/2018/fears-of-the-indieweb (from https://aaronparecki.com/2018/01/16/16/)
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KartikPrabhu very nice post ^
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Liked: Fears of the IndieWeb... ”Some of my favorite memories of writing online were during the early days of Blogger, prior to the Google acquisition. Personal journals were still a fairly new idea, with fairly few people publishing them. We were a community of people and of writers and we had a connection to each other and a desire to share, help, and enjoy unique content online. This feels like that.” Read the full post..." by Colin Walker on 2018-01-16 https://colinwalker.blog/16-01-2018-2308/
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[colinwalker] Agreed, very good post.