#indieweb 2018-04-27

2018-04-27 UTC
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[jgmac1106] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/26/square-to-buy-weebly-for-365-million.html called that one. The PoS page builders in square and stripe wil be future of web design for ecommerce
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-04-27.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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Zegnat Seeing Salt[m] mention them again: validators. Do we have a collection of these listed somewhere? Thinking things like “does your homepage represent you?” (representative h-card), “do you have clear author markup?” (authorship algo)
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sknebel What is tools?
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Loqi Here are some tools that are helpful for building and debugging an IndieWeb site https://indieweb.org/tools
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Zegnat Not really a whole lot there apart from indiewebify
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sknebel and all the .rocks, or did you not mean those?
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sknebel can't think of many more examples
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Zegnat Yes, the .rocks are good. But I was thinking more along the lines of indiewebify-ish validators. As people have been asking when something is IndieWeb etc.
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Zegnat The .rocks feel more like technical implementation test suits for implementers than validation of “the thing I just publish, is it IndieWeb friendly?”
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Zegnat (If that makes sense.)
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chrisaldrich for Salt[m], it's been almost a year, but http://www.indiemap.org/ is an interesting project which provides some social "proof" also micro.blog launched and is almost a year old (this month?)
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Loqi Indie Map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset. 2300 sites, 5.7M pages, 380GB HTML with microformats2. Social graph API and interac...
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swentel wow
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swentel indiemap is so cool
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skippy i agree with zegnat that the .rocks tools are more for implementors of new things to confirm conformance.
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sknebel I don't think anyone would claim otherwise
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skippy needs to get on the websub bandwagon.
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jgmac1106_ @skippy me as well, just haven’t had the time to try and then try again to spin up an instance of apeture to give it a whirl, though I haven’t tried the Wordpress plug-in approach either. Still I want read/write with indigienous, not just my cufrrent write. I love the app so far
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Zegnat WebSub !== Microsub
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Zegnat confusingnames--
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Loqi confusingnames has -1 karma
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skippy naming is hard.
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Zegnat For whoever is reading that and getting confused:
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Zegnat WebSub is your website telling subscribers (e.g. Aperture via Watchtower) that it has updated.
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Zegnat Microsub is your reading application of choice talking to a aggregation server (e.g. Aperture).
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skippy i could just go back to consuming RSS feeds, like some kind of prehistoric savage...
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[matthilt] ^^^^^ Prehistoric Savage
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb
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skippy i had a fully functional miniflux setup that i've abandnoned. i really liked miniflux, overall.
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Zegnat I am just on Feedbin and subscribing to old school feeds. But I am happy with the flow for now
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[kevinmarks] Microsub is the most confusing name, as the sub is hidden from you deliberately - it's more about reading than subscribing.
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petermolnar "prehistoric savage" would be an awesome band name
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Zegnat “with their first album: ArrrSS.”
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aaronpk Zegnat++
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Loqi zegnat has 88 karma in this channel (201 overall)
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skippy aaronpk: quill's editor doesn't offer a syndication option?
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skippy only notes?
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jgmac1106_ @skippy I want a little more, and I also have a part of my eye on how all these tools can finally build the classroom I want
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Zegnat jgmac1106_, have you tested Known in the classroom at all? Seeing how that was targetted at edu
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jgmac1106_ I aslo hate most rss readers. Feedly’s shared bundles can’t be shared as rss (so not an rss reader but another silo then) and something with inoreader and Wordpress http/https enters every feed twice and they recommend you use http over https, I think based on what I see the possibility of every kid on their own website, a microblog for just chatting with class, an integrated reader with a tweedeck like feel, and a powerfu
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jgmac1106_ analytics board due to common mark-up of student pages…..
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jgmac1106_ @zegnat yes, and I got the closet. You can see an example on the indieweb in education page
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jgmac1106_ closest not closet
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jgmac1106 I used and still use the multisite option. I need a group of students for multiple semesters. Just building in mindsets for the first two principles takes time
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jeremycherfas !tell jgmac1106 I don't want to derail you completely, but there's a guy called Paul Hibbitts doing amazing things with the Grav CMS as an open educational tool. http://www.hibbittsdesign.org/blog/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel I'm fairly happy with inoreader, but I haven't used the sharing functions much
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jgmac1106 jeremycherfas: I have a Grab sandbox, haven't used it in my class. Addicted to idea of a headless rss driven class
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aaronpk skippy: yeah i didn't want to clutter up the little publish dropdown in quill's editor, plus I think syndicating complete blog posts is relatively uncommon compared to short posts
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aaronpk also i normally post from the editor to my site in draft mode, then do some final tweaks on my site before publishing
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skippy aaronpk: fair. Is it not "syndication" to post a notice to Twitter that I posted a new article? I could submit to Twitter the title and link.
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[tantek] Skippy, title & link used to be all you could really fit on twitter so that counted as best effort syndication yes
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[tantek] Pretty sure there’s a /Twitter section on POSSE an article
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aaronpk yea but i think that might be a somewhat surprising result of using a syndication option in the quill editor
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[tantek] With 280 chars you could syndicate title, 1-2 sentences, and permalink
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aaronpk also when i post an article to twitter i usually write a little thing about it instead of just posting the title
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jgmac1106_ @sknebel Laura Gibss (@onlinecourselady) is probably the best at building these using inoreader: http://mythfolklore.net/
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[tantek] Aaronpk perhaps add to examples on /Twitter POSSE an article then?
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[tantek] Pretty sure I’ve added my own examples there
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jgmac1106_ here is her blog page set up in the Canvas LMS: https://canvas.ou.edu/courses/97417/pages/blog-stream
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swentel I use a summary field and the p-summary class for articles, and p-bridgy-twitter-content on that element to be sure as well
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skippy syndication isn't a one-size-fits-all operation. The MP server should decide how to syndicate to targets. I understand why Quill doesn't do it for articles. thanks for the info.
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aaronpk looking through my examples, it looks like i actually do a mix
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jgmac1106_ @tantek “With 280 chars you could syndicate title, 1-2 sentences, and permalink” I like that. Teaches folks how important those first 1-2 sentences can be. What mark up is needed choose a “featured image” when sharing? Is there specific image markup or a built in taxonomy?
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aaronpk added to https://indieweb.org/Twitter#POSSE_Articles_to_Twitter
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jgmac1106_ the click through rates when images unfurl versus to when they just have texts is substantial
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skippy ultimately I'm shooting for "long term lazy", so if I can Tweet about a new post I've written automatically, without opening another app, that's what I desire.
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aaronpk hm i wonder if a dropdown of the syndication options would be reasonable for quill
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aaronpk or would you want to be able to choose more than one?
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skippy Indigenous for Android does not present a syndication option for articles, either.
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swentel no?
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skippy I strong suspect that many are looking at Quill as the gold standard for what features to implement, and how.
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swentel hmmm
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jgmac1106_ I like the tuncation features in Known
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skippy swentel: no syndication option for notes either, looks like. maybe my endpoint isnt giving Ingigenous what it wants?
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swentel skippy, have you toggled 'refresh syndications' ?
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jgmac1106_ I have been very conscience of words I know will show in Twitter as you usually need to have hashtags in title or first 1-2 sentences
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swentel note that there's a bug depending how your endpoint looks like
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swentel and also, q=config is not supported yet
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swentel coming up in the next release though
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swentel + the bug fix
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skippy swentel: Ah! Didnt see that in the menu. Now it works.
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swentel aha cool
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swentel yeah, I also fixed to autoget the syndications when authenticating
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swentel all coming in the weekend I hope
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Zegnat jgmac1106_, for feature image you could use u-featured in the markup. But a lot of this discussion is probably better had over in #indieweb-dev :)
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jgmac1106_ loki what is the difference between indieweb, indieweb-meta, and indieweb-dev?
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/discuss#Chat_Channels
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jgmac1106_ wow @aaronpk great guidelines? Could we pin each to the top of each Slack channel?
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jgmac1106_ or make them the topic
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jgmac1106_ opps that shoudl go in meta ;)
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klez can someone kindly help me? I'm trying to validate my website with https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fklezlab.it%2Fendless-computer-code-dumps-free-software.html and it says I should add an author to my posts, which is actually already there. What am I doing wrong?
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aaronpk klez: happy to help in #indieweb-dev since this is gonna get markup-heavy in a minute
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klez aaronpk: thanks, I'll be there
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/bobmarshall/status/989881417155989509?s=19
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@bobmarshall I put the choir cover of "Creep" from The Social Network over that creepy new Facebook commercial and wow does it sync up well https://twitter.com/bobmarshall/status/989881417155989509/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/989881417155989509)
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[kevinmarks] https://medium.com/@julien51/its-time-to-unlock-the-web-b98e9b94add1
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skippy unlock will cause trouble for all the js;dr folks.
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[kevinmarks] This is interesting https://blog.pacific-content.com/exclusive-inside-the-new-google-podcasts-strategy-that-could-double-audiences-worldwide-b556cdc26e43
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gRegorLove_ Howdy, #indieweb
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Loqi gRegorLove_: Salt left you a message 1 week, 6 days ago: totally! SeaGL is Nov 9/10 this year and I can get us free space on UW campus. Giving my IndieWeb 101 talk at LFNW in a couple of weeks... really need to spend some time on it but just so busy with school.
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GWG Hi, Gregorlove
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gRegorLove_ Guess I've been quiet in #indieweb lately.
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gRegorLove_ Yay for maybe IWC Seattle!
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gRegorLove_ o/ GWG
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GWG I want to visit Seattle someday
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GWG Gregorlove, hopefully not inactive, just quiet
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gRegorLove_ Not much unfortunately. Been doing a little bit of work on the ProcessWire Webmention plugin. Might get a new release out this weekend.
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GWG I am hoping to fix some things over the weekend.
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GWG I am worried auto POSSE will continue to die a slow death
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GWG I need to get more native webmention interactions
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GWG Probably I need to post more
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jgmac1106 @gwg half the conversations we have here should just be posts and webmentions. Best way to post more is to work ooutloud
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GWG I need to get in the habit.
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GWG Also, I need a stable Micropub client for my phone
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[miklb] Quill is pretty darn stable.
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[miklb] that said, I need to debug Quill->WP micropub photos. It seems to be intermittently failing silently to attach images.
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[miklb] the photos get adde to my media library, just don’t make it into the post.
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-04-27.html
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-04-27.html
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tantek wasn't able to check or change anything
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aaronpk no events last week?
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aaronpk this week
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tantek odd that searching capability URLs did not find the existing article /capability-urls
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aaronpk it does for me
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tantek odd then I wonder why Zegnat created it https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Capability_URLs&action=history
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aaronpk doesn't show up for "capability URL"
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aaronpk only plural
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aaronpk lol we also have https://indieweb.org/unguessable_URL
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tantek but he created the plural
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[chrisaldrich] Hello indiewebz!