#indieweb 2018-06-13

2018-06-13 UTC
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@kevinmarks ↩️ It's all https://indieweb.org/admin_tax one way or another. There are successful companies with superbowl ads and underwriting lots of podcasts who are arbitraging that into $ (twitter.com/_/status/1006703139951693825)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ indeed - letsencrypt is easier then previous models - https://indieweb.org/HTTPS has some history. On the whole this is a good ratchet, but I understand the difficulty (twitter.com/_/status/1006705568747347969)
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@Dan_Blick "These days it's positively DISRUPTIVE to have your own website." - @wiobyrne (via @actualham) #Indieweb "Taking Back The Web" https://breadcrumbs.wiobyrne.com/taking-back-the-web/ (twitter.com/_/status/1006713898278510592)
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@GodKingNobody #CrowdFundingExposure #crowdfundingforeveryone #indiemusic #indie #indiegames #indiedev #indieauthor #indieauthors #indieweb #IndieFeatureFriday #indiegogo #Kickstarter Anyone wanna talk about ur projects on my blog? (twitter.com/_/status/1006714781091483648)
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@GodKingHeaveny #CrowdFundingExposure #crowdfundingforeveryone #indiemusic #indie #indiegames #indiedev #indieauthor #indieauthors #indieweb #IndieFeatureFriday #indiegogo #Kickstarter Anyone wanna talk about ur projects on my blog? (twitter.com/_/status/1006714791581437952)
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@jgmac1106 Using @gwg post-kind plugin for #IndieWeb @WordPress I can recreate my twitter feed: https://jgregorymcverry.com/kind/note,reply,like/ This is super cool. (https://jgregorymcverry.com/3511-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1006718141181939714)
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@jgmac1106 My apologies to @gwg who I have mistakenly sent all my tweets I wanted to send to @dshanske for a year or two. Side benefit, if @gwg ever wanted to use the #IndieWeb to help @endpovertyUSA he probably got a better education than most. (https://jgregorymcverry.com/3518-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1006725925378183168)
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conzeit conzeit
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conzeit did you guys make your own IRC web app? cool
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[conzeit] oh it's slack
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KartikPrabhu it is a slack to IRC bridge
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[conzeit] wow. You guys are so cool. So you dont lose any of the history to the slack?...what about image posts, emoticon reactions, threads and all the slack unique stuff?
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KartikPrabhu it is mostly so people on IRC can also talk to people who want to use Slack
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KartikPrabhu some Slack special things do get lost in translation
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[kevinmarks] Images get linked
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@trvisfw Thoughts on the #GithubAcquistion. Tl;dr: given the architecture of the web, we shouldn't be surprised. But now is a time to talk, again, about #indieweb and #contentaddressable software. https://plus.google.com/+TravisWellman/posts/bNA7W2HHYfa (twitter.com/_/status/1006819950865141760)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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jgmac1106 morning [Zegnat] looking forward to vHWC-Europe today
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Zegnat Same! :)
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jgmac1106 let me know if you think I need to add to mumble tutorial
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jgmac1106 if it is okay we can move it to main mumble page
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Zegnat I’ll give it another look soonish, currently struggling with my internet
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Zegnat The internet I woke up to: http://www.speedtest.net/result/7389370531.png
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jgmac1106 Ohh now, your perpetual albatross. sorry
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jgmac1106 wow that is horrible. at least your day is better than 14% of other folks
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/Lady_Ada_King/status/1006833650053283840?s=19
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@Lady_Ada_King Glitch has got me so lazy making static websites, I don't even leave the browser now. I just build/test on glitch then push it to github and host with github pages! (twitter.com/_/status/1006833650053283840)
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jgmac1106 [wiobyrne] Want to take our Open Pedagogy book and throw it on a Dead Simple WordPress site? We could do each chapter as a post and encourage review through webmentions
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Zegnat jgmac1106, honest question, why WordPress? A book doesn’t sound like a thing that you keep adding to, so seems the perfect usecase for SSG
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jgmac1106 I have grav, scalar, GitHub books as option, on gDocs now because a document there is more open for my audience than a GitHub repo
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jgmac1106 it was just on my mind due to convo [wiobyrne] and [chrisaldrich] were having about academic publishing and revision trails
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jgmac1106 An unwritten and unfinished book, you are right I haven't been adding. Due to publisher last August. Need to finish
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Zegnat Also, https://resilientwebdesign.com/ as an example of publishing a book online
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j4y_funabashi what is calendar
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "calendar" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "calendar is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jgmac1106 ooh [adacito] design does look nice. may play a bit
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@jgmac1106 @film_girl Are you going to shoot down to Portland for the #IndieWeb summit. Be cool to get more MSFT cloud developers building and playing in #IndieWeb spaces. I’ll even do reverse rocket rules and buy you the drink (PBR or Natty Light only). (https://jgregorymcverry.com/3538-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1006869743570161664)
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@jgmac1106 Hey @anildash anybody from the @glitch or @fogcreek team going to the #IndieWeb summit? Be fun to think about making #IndieWeb building block tools in @glitch. (https://jgregorymcverry.com/3542-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1006871371064987651)
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@anildash ↩️ I’m not sure we’ll be there in person, but lots of indieweb stalwarts are watching what we’re doing and I’m always listening for how we can enable them. (twitter.com/_/status/1006873032869187584)
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skippy guten morgen.
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jgmac1106 anybody ever think about adding “remote” as an rsvp option? Not just for summit but it would be nice to find out who attends events remotely
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Zegnat jgmac1106, there is a discussion about it somewhere.
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Zegnat And I have used it on my RSVP to lats year’s summit. And this year’s as well
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jgmac1106 [zegnat] when somebody else has loqi set a time can you ask how much time is left or ask to be notified when timer goes off
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jgmac1106 timer*
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@smerrill Silos, #IndieWeb, and Me: https://skippy.net/silos/ (twitter.com/_/status/1006903023036174336)
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jgmac1106 [skippy] great post. I have most of my tweets backed up here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B1GfJ-t-9N7RzTGVRBS-jlaWglOFfeW6Tp_1NCq2T3o/edit#gid=0 (well 9 spreadsheets to date) I wonder if a script could ever be written to import these to Known or WordPress
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skippy i'd be happy to share the scripts I cooked up to massage my tweets. All PHP command line driven. Should be easy enough to make something that WordPress could import.
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skippy i need to now go back through all my tweets to fetch media for local storage. But that's a minor improvement for another day.
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@harukasan_rss IndieWeb - The person-focused alternative to the corporate web https://ift.tt/2LOAI4d (twitter.com/_/status/1006907115632562179)
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[miklb] skippy++
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Loqi skippy has 6 karma in this channel (10 overall)
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb. Just emerged from a self-imposed internet blackout to get a piece of work done in time for vHWC. Took longer than I expected, so I may not be able to show any progress on my Grav micropub endpoint.
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@miklb This a wonderful writeup about IndieWeb from my friend @smerrill (skippy) https://skippy.net/silos/ (twitter.com/_/status/1006911176645672961)
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[cleverdevil] Good morning from Toronto, IndieWeb!
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skippy ahoy hoy
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[cleverdevil] Spoke with a couple of friends last night who are working on a really cool IndieWeb adjacent open source project and they’re now coming to IWS!
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aaronpk [cleverdevil]++
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aaronpk fun!
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Silos, IndieWeb, and Me" https://skippy.net/silos/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/13/11/)
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[cleverdevil] Looks like it’s going to be a good crowd.
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aaronpk yeah!
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aaronpk I still want to see us double our registration numbers in the next 2 weeks
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[cleverdevil] Wow that’d be awesome. It already appears to be north of 50
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aaronpk oh did I count wrong?
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aaronpk checking tito..
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aaronpk we have 36 people registered right now
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[cleverdevil] Maybe I am misreading
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aaronpk typically a bunch of people don't show up, so I'd like to have 30-40 people actually there. based on past years, it'll take ~50 registered to get there
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[cleverdevil] Ah I see. It’s at like 40+ now.
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@jgmac1106 Can We Build a Static Site Generator for #IndieWeb: https://jgregorymcverry.com/can-we-build-a-static-site-generator-for-indieweb/ https://t.co/NgbNwEypxp (twitter.com/_/status/1006913560516186113)
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jgmac1106 looks like conferences have same statistics as weddings
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aaronpk oh hm, apparently some of the indie RSVPs have not RSVP'd on tito
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jgmac1106 mine won’t show up. Tried twice
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[cleverdevil] I’ve only Indie RSVP’d
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@jgmac1106 Hey #edcamppdx Everyone is invited to the #IndieWeb summit June 26th-27th https://2018.indieweb.org Going to be many educators there looking to see how we can help to teach with  and build a better web. (https://jgregorymcverry.com/3562-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1006914456994107393)
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@cleverdevil I’ll be in Portland, OR for the 2018 IndieWeb Summit in a few weeks. If you’re interested in the future of the open web, I’d encourage you to join me. It’s one of my favorite events of the year! https://2018.indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1006915185074896896)
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swentel pity I'm on holiday then
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swentel I would have made the long trip probably, been a while since I've been in the US
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[cleverdevil] It’s crazy to think that last year I was presenting the concept for Together at IWS 2017, and today we have a fully featured, really great app! Largely thanks to [grantcodes].
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[cleverdevil] Also, it looks like you’ve got me penciled in to talk about IndieWeb Readers [aaronpk] 😀
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snarfed [cleverdevil]++
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snarfed [grantcodes]++
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[cleverdevil] Hah, my map for yesterday on my first flight since implementing location tracking came out awesome - https://cleverdevil.io/s/OfIY2u78WLVMueZbkdqv.jpg
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aaronpk Nice
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aaronpk next time get a window seat and you'll probably get the actual flight path!
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[kevinmarks] that's a long enough journey to worry about map projections…
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aaronpk Planes don't fly in straight lines so there's your first problem
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[cleverdevil] I didn’t end up joining WiFi from my phone. I will on the way back and we shall see what happens.
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aaronpk GPS works in airplane mode, you don't need to join Wi-Fi. I wrote Overland so that it can buffer data while offline.
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[grantcodes] Together would be better if I had more time to spend on it / didn't get distracted by other projects 😅
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[kevinmarks] I've had wifi geolocation on planes put me in a different airport than either one I flew between before
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[cleverdevil] [grantcodes] it would be better if I was more up to speed on React too! 🤣
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[kevinmarks] I had it put me somewhere in the countryside on a different train when I got off at Kings Cross this morning
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[cleverdevil] [aaronpk] ah of course. I was in an aisle seat maybe? I also rebooted my phone at some point so that may be a contributing factor.
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aaronpk Yeah Wi-Fi positioning has some fundamental problems with Wi-Fi hotspots that move
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aaronpk [cleverdevil]: yea it only works from window seats in the big planes
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aaronpk It can really only see out the one window which is barely enough for it to work. In the middle of the plane it has barely any visibility of the sky so it fails pretty quick
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[cleverdevil] Makes sense.
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[kevinmarks] do you put your phone on the window ledge bit?
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[kevinmarks] it's kind of a shame that the plane can't send it's location to onboard phones in wifi headers
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aaronpk Yea sometimes I sandwich it between the window and the shade while the shade is down. But sometimes it works just in the seatback pocket too
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GWG aaronpk, my getting an aisle seat is more important to me than a GPS fix
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[cleverdevil] I feel the same way GWG 😉
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[cleverdevil] Unless I’m in first class.
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aaronpk GWG: yeah tbh I've been getting aisle seats more often latel
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aaronpk Especially on flights I've done a lot before
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GWG I am usually not in business class
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aaronpk if I'm going somewhere new then it's kind of fun to get the actual gps trail
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GWG I did spring for even more space to IWS, but I only do that on flights over 5 hours
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[cleverdevil] I travel enough that I get upgraded most of the time.
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aaronpk At one point I wrote a little script that parsed out the JSON data from the in flight status web page and saves it locally. I need to turn that into a mobile app so I can run it for more of the flight
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GWG aaronpk, isn't each airline different?
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aaronpk They all use gogo
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GWG JetBlue, my usual carrier, doesn't
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aaronpk I haven't actually checked but I suspect there aren't that many different systems under the hood
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GWG Maybe I will try getting some samples en route to you
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GWG By the way, aaronpk, speaking of which, we didn't photo document our Meetup
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[kevinmarks] I like a window seat because then I can sleep without people climbing over me
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GWG You did call it an impromptu HWC
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GWG KevinMarks, I need to ambulate
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aaronpk Oh no you're right!
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GWG I just realized it
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GWG [cleverdevil]: You are pursuing areas that I want to get fixed
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GWG Location, flight tracking, etc
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aaronpk Oh yea the other flight tracking trick I've done is to use the FlightAware api to track my plane from my server
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@jgmac1106 #indieweb @jgmac1106: The vHWC opens up with a discussion on handles owning identity and different silos. (twitter.com/_/status/1006929537861652481)
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skippy oh, it's not a vHWC today?
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Zegnat It is :)
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Zegnat We’re in Mumble skippy
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb martijnvdven: Talks about the the difference between notes and articles as defined by having a title. (twitter.com/_/status/1006934230700646403)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ #indieweb JeremyCherfas: Notes discusses how different themes behave differently as I ask questions. (twitter.com/_/status/1006936205861294082)
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@kepford Implementing IndieWeb on your personal Drupal site, part 1 | yoroy https://buff.ly/2Jxppwp https://t.co/wPOwuBR3fl (twitter.com/_/status/1006942029824356352)
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jackjami_ gRegorLove, We're talking about indiebookclub now in vHWC
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jackjamieson If it's in a link, I think it should be to doi.org
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jackjamieson Oops wrong channel
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skippy http://scripting.com/2018/06/13/131758.html
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aaronpk -> #indieweb-chat
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Zegnat Thanks everyone for showing up to vHWC! Either just listening, or asking questions, or driving the debate! Do get back to me with ideas for streamlining the experience. I am definitely going to try harder to have some discussions points up on the wiki beforehand as conversation starters
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jgmac1106 zegnat: a fun icebreaker, or question What did you lasrt read? Favorite ice cream etc is always good. I do feel bad some first time folks were there and we didn’t recognize
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Zegnat I did try to call out everyone who dropped in as soon as there was a lull. Sometimes a little awkward. Those things are easier IRL
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jgmac1106 https://wordpress.org/themes/fluida/ that was the theme I spent days searching for. Going to try that and see what happens
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@ChrisAldrich The Story of My Domain @ontarioextend #whydomain #DoOO #edtech #IndieWeb https://boffosocko.com/2018/06/13/the-story-of-my-domain/ (twitter.com/_/status/1006980443143471106)
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gRegorLove Is there audio recording of vHWC?
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Zegnat No. I wonder if that is something we should look into
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chrisaldrich What are site-deaths?
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Loqi Site deaths are when sites go offline, taking content and permalinks with them, and breaking the web accordingly https://indieweb.org/site-deaths
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chrisaldrich site-deaths << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPt9uX9Gf2A
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPt9uX9Gf2A" to the "See Also" section of /site-deaths https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48697&oldid=48494
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chrisaldrich It's a somewhat dated video, but has an entertaining concept.
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jeremycherfas Zegnat++ for MCing vHWC and taking notes. I dropped in for a while and there was a good vibe.
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Loqi zegnat has 94 karma in this channel (225 overall)
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Zegnat Always a pleasure! Definitely still a lot that can be streamlined
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@calum_ryan Next Homebrew Website Club London: ⏰ 27-06-2018 at 19:00 ✏️https://hwclondon.co.uk/meetups/20180627 (twitter.com/_/status/1007018970749259776)
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