#indieweb 2018-11-08

2018-11-08 UTC
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mblaney today in silo quits: https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1060219571620249607
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@Pinboard My treat for myself after the election, win or lose, was always going to be Twitter retirement. You can find political stuff from me at http://eepurl.com/dmnmUY, pinboard stuff at http://pinboard.in/blog and other stuff on http://idlewords.com. Thanks to all! Veni, vidi, tweeti (twitter.com/_/status/1060219571620249607)
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samw hello
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KartikPrabhu welcome samw
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jalcine hey samw
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jalcine woah @Pinboard@twitter.com's quitting
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petermolnar !tell aaronpk webmention.io looks fried
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jalcine oh damn
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jalcine SPOA
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel good morning!
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Loqi happy day
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[voss] Good morning IndieWeb 🙂
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[voss] Relative new-comer here, happy to "meet" everyone
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swentel welcome :)
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sknebel good morning and welcome!
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[voss] @swentel, big fan of Indigenous
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[voss] [sknebel] thank you
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swentel [voss], thanks, nice to hear :)
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[jgmac1106] Good Morning
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[schmarty] Wow about pinboard!
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swentel what happened?
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[schmarty] Retired from twitter. Tweet link in the back scroll a few hours ago.
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petermolnar still baffled by the fact that @mentions became a thing with the @ in front, given emails used to be [username] which then went to @localhost, so user@ could have been backward-compatible for mentions and we wouldn't have the awful looking @somene@instance things today.
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[jgmac1106] cut comic on likes: https://twitter.com/dogtrax/status/1059087300880150529
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@dogtrax On beyond like ... #clmooc #unboundeq https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrKiRfNUUAMM1t9.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1059087300880150529)
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[Vincent] Good morning/afternoon Indieweb
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[Vincent] In reference to Pinboard silo quit. I look forward to the day I can quit Social media, once my Indieweb implementation is complete.
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[Vincent] Blogs + Social reader FTW 😄
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jjuran petermolnar: My guess is that @user mentions emerged from Twitter users as a means of indicating replies manually, and was only enshrined as official syntax later.
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jjuran On YouTube, I and others used `user: "snipped quote" <blank line> My reply.`
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jjuran Until Google stepped in and made posting in such a format produce mysterious errors, that is.
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jjuran I assume the idea was that you were speaking "at" that person. So, similar to '@' meaning "at" in email addresses, but it's a "message directed at you" rather than "person at place".
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aaronpk Whoops will fix shortly. Was working on some updates to it yesterday
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Loqi aaronpk: petermolnar left you a message 5 hours, 53 minutes ago: webmention.io looks fried
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skippy good morning.
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Loqi morning!
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skippy aaronpk: i forget: does Quill do any kind of markdown or html processing of stuff i submit? Totally spacing out on how to make a link inside the quill editor: <a href> or [link](target) ?
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aaronpk In the note interface?
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skippy editor, not note
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skippy i think it passes markdown to my endpoint, whcih parses it as desired there.
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aaronpk Ah it's a rich text editor, if you select some text a little thingy should pop up that lets you turn it into a link or format it
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aaronpk it sends html in the end
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skippy ok thanks.
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kisik21 aaronpk: what's up with webmention.io?
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aaronpk I broke it during an upgrade
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aaronpk should be mostly back now
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kisik21 aaronpk: works...
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kisik21 also congratulate me I've got a micropub endpoint!
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[kevinmarks] The @ prefix came from irc
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[eddie] Great job kisik21! 👏
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[eddie] kisik21++
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Loqi kisik21 has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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[kevinmarks] Rabble wrote a great history of @ on twitter
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kisik21 Anyone knows a good application for reading indieweb sites on Android? (also I wanna make my site compatible with it)
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kisik21 what is reader
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Loqi A reader (AKA indie reader or social reader) in the context of the indieweb is the portion/feature integrated into an indieweb site that provides a way to read content from other indieweb sites, possibly including posts from the current site, and respond (like, comment, repost, etc) inline in the reading UI itself https://indieweb.org/reader
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swentel indigenous can post via micropub
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swentel and read via microsub
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swentel see https://indieweb.org/Indigenous
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skippy kisik21: you can also use Monocle via your phone's browser.
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kisik21 swentel: went with indigenous, 'cause already using it to post things
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[jgmac1106] Here is a small grant (2.5k) I am working on for IndieWebCamp New Haven: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jL2afKS9k0qjmDoPespDKEooSU8_w3LnWj8uNiU6dc/edit?usp=sharing combining it with another event I do
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kaushalmodi hello all
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kaushalmodi is there a known issue accessing webmention.io dashboard/
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kaushalmodi ?
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aaronpk kaushalmodi: I was just rolling out some updates to it, and fixed it a couple hours ago
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kisik21 well, webmention.io was down recently
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kisik21 but now it's ok
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kaushalmodi how recently?
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kaushalmodi I was trying to sign in 2 mins back and I got https://i.imgtc.com/ftlqPJ5.png
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kaushalmodi using both GitHub and email sign in methods
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aaronpk what's your URL?
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kaushalmodi https://scripter.cp
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kaushalmodi typo
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kaushalmodi https://scripter.co
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kaushalmodi also this may be a good time to freshen up on "best practices".. indieauth.com or indielogin.com? :)
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aaronpk funny you should mention that
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aaronpk I am working on that thing exactly right now
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kaushalmodi aaronpk: In your Oct 2018 mozilla blog you mention indieauth.com
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kaushalmodi but on indieauth.com, it says we should use indielogin.com
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aaronpk it's a little confusing, sorry
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kaushalmodi aaronpk: no worries; I am not troubled
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sebsel kaushalmodi You're giving away a lot of information with sharing the code, me and state in your screenshot
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sebsel although aaronpk should probably work on not displaying them this way either :P
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aaronpk that's my fault for showing the full debug info
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kaushalmodi sebsel: oops
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aaronpk it's fine, the code should be expired already
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kaushalmodi I'll be careful next time
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kaushalmodi though, what should I report next time?
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kaushalmodi so that you can debug the problem
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kaushalmodi saying that "logging doesn't work" won't help
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aaronpk this isn't something you should have to worry about, that's my fault for showing stuff on the screen that isn't safe to share
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kaushalmodi ok
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kaushalmodi aaronpk: so did that help identify the issue on webmention.io?
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kaushalmodi aaronpk: did you *just* change the login to redirect to indielogin?
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aaronpk yes like a few minutes ago
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aaronpk I have another change i'm about to push too
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kaushalmodi logging in works now, yay!
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kaushalmodi hanks
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kaushalmodi thanks
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Loqi giggles
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kaushalmodi aaronpk: so does this need to change?: <link rel="authorization_endpoint" href="https://indieauth.com/auth" data-proofer-ignore>
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aaronpk no, which is the confusing part of indieauth.com :)
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kaushalmodi ok, thanks for confirming though
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kaushalmodi I don't mind fixing/updating things as necessary; just making sure that I am still all set
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kaushalmodi I am very appreciative of this service you have set up
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aaronpk yep, I don't have a replacement service for indieauth.com set up yet
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kaushalmodi webmention.io has helped me receive a magnitude of more comments than disqus ever did
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aaronpk eventually it will be at myindieauth.com and will work similarly to indieauth.com
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aaronpk that's great to hear!
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kaushalmodi that, in association with https://commentpara.de so shout out goes to cweiske too!
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kisik21 https://fireburn.ru/note/1541701591/
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Loqi [Vika] wait, does monocle allow making posts?!
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aaronpk sure does! it's a micropub client too if you have that set up
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kisik21 fun fact: this was posted via micropub ^^
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aaronpk kisik21++ nice
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Loqi kisik21 has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (3 in all channels)
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kaushalmodi kisik21: I don't know if you have github notifications enabled. But while checking if that recent webmention.io issue was recorded in existing issues, I came across your issue on Hugo + wm's
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kaushalmodi I have pasted a link there that shows an example of how I pass the target parameter
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kaushalmodi though .. I also don't know JS .. so I am dealing with the fetched JSON statically in Hugo
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[dave] [kaushalmodi] your social links on scripter.co would be cooler with `rel="me"` 🙂
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[dave] [aaronpk] you have some JS throwing an exception when paginating on your site. Looks like it's because it's expecting your main profile bits to be on every page
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aaronpk oh no thanks
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[dave] Oh neat, an old friend from elsewhere on the web has popped up as a moderator at mastodon.technology
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kaushalmodi [dave] I am not too conversant with rel=me
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kaushalmodi Do you mean I need rel=me attr in the a tag here: https://gitlab.com/kaushalmodi/hugo-theme-refined/blob/master/layouts/partials/social.html ?
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kaushalmodi how will that help?
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kaushalmodi I already have rel=me in the html head: https://gitlab.com/kaushalmodi/hugo-theme-refined/blob/96d571b7b9ef6ca81b6f8d833e78a39912aef08c/layouts/partials/indieweb-head.html#L4-9
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kaushalmodi [dave] .. and was surprised to see mastodon.technology mentioned; I am on there
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[dave] [kaushalmodi] it identifies that those social profiles are also you
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[dave] yes, to the links in that section
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[dave] I found that my friend is a mod there by clicking through to your profile and seeing his name in the sidebar
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kaushalmodi hmm, I am adding rel=me only for github
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kaushalmodi because webmention.io uses either github or email for verifying that it's me
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[dave] If you add rel="me" for mastodon, the newest mastodon release will show that your homepage is "verified"
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kaushalmodi ah! I didn't know that
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kaushalmodi doesn't hurt adding
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[dave] https://puz.fun/@dave
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Loqi 🌮 Dave Millar 🌮
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kaushalmodi though, the way I have structure the template of my site, that rel=me will go in the head
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kaushalmodi and not in the a tags of the actual links in the footer
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kaushalmodi does that matter?
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[dave] I don't know if mastodon's validation checks links in the head or not
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gRegorLove It should
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[dave] Claiming those other profiles can also be used to help validate you in other instances or at least verify that those are also you, such as in the microformats reader chrome extension or IndieAuth -- I think the latter supports Twitter, GitHub, email, and PGP key
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kaushalmodi [dave] may be mastodon.technology is not updated?
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[dave] Aaron has enough that it takes up more than the visible space of the chrome extension viewport XD
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[dave] [kaushalmodi] perhaps
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kaushalmodi [dave] confirmed: m.t. is on 2.5.2, whereas rel=me support was added in 2.6.0.
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kaushalmodi in any case, now I added rel=me for mastodon; will see that link turn green when m.t. gets updated.
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kaushalmodi thanks! :)
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[dave] 😄
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kaushalmodi [dave] IndieAuth dropped Twitter support
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kaushalmodi because I think twitter handicapped its API or something
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kaushalmodi so that wasn't possible any more (I could be wrong)
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[dave] The checkmark shows when I see your profile in my instance of mastodon
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kaushalmodi [dave] interesting
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kaushalmodi I don't see it on my own m.t. profile page though hehe
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[dave] I don't know if I would call the Twitter API handicapped. Handicapped people can do much more than the Twitter API can.
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kaushalmodi [dave] sincere apologies
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kaushalmodi I should be more observant of how I say things
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kaushalmodi and think things
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kaushalmodi About the checkmark, I don't see it on https://mastodon.technology/@kaushalmodi/
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Loqi Kaushal Modi :emacs:
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kaushalmodi [dave] In summary, looks like setting the rel=me in HTML head worked (it was too easy: https://gitlab.com/kaushalmodi/kaushalmodi.gitlab.io/commit/45fac3bef3f19c85bfbb68d7fbd4a3ac6d1db7ff :D)
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[dave] Yeah, I think that's just because it's pulling the data from your instance and showing it in mine with the new code.
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[dave] That is definitely mega easy
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kisik21 does someone show comment threads on indieweb posts? is it a common practice? should I do this (and how, if it's possible at all?)
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kaushalmodi kisik21: is this related to showing webmentions?
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kaushalmodi or is it something else?
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kisik21 kaushalmodi: yes
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kaushalmodi hehe
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kaushalmodi was the "yes" answer to?
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kisik21 webmention threads
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kaushalmodi so I replied to your issue on webmention.io github
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kisik21 so
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kisik21 kaushalmodi: I was talking about showing replies to replies. Do you think it's possible?
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kaushalmodi kisik21: yes, replies to replies (webmentions) is not possible AFAIK
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kisik21 sad
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[eddie] Replies to replies is something called Salmention
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[eddie] it is possible but not super widely supported that I know of
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[eddie] But probably a topic for the #dev channel, there should be a summary on the wiki though
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[eddie] What is salmention?
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Loqi Salmention is a protocol extension to Webmention to propagate comments and other interactions upstream by sending a webmention from a response to the original post when the response itself receives a response (comment, like, etc.) https://indieweb.org/Salmention
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[eddie] kisik21 You can take a look there and if you have any questions you can ask in the #indieweb-dev channel
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kisik21 how do I make my webaction buttons more obvious? currently you can click on "like" or "comment" emoji in counters. Is this obvious enough?
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kisik21 if you wanna try out: https://fireburn.ru
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Loqi Vika
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kisik21 oh wait
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kisik21 I haven't pushed the update yet!!!
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kisik21 ok pushed it... but it doesn't work for some reason
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kisik21 can someone test my webaction buttons?
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[eddie] If you wanted to make the fact that they are buttons a bit more obvious, you could provide some type of border or background color to indicate it's click/tapable
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[manton] I wrote a short post about how I think Micro.blog will settle into different types of usernames, including IndieWeb domain names. After the dust settles with this, I hope to revisit some of the recent nickname cache discussions too. https://manton.org/2018/11/08/usernames-on-microblog.html
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[schmarty] manton++ really cool how you are exploring this space!
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Loqi manton has 38 karma in this channel over the last year (68 in all channels)
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sknebel hm, does the activitypub community have a name for the user@domain.tld syntax users recognize? WebFinger identifier isn't it I guess, and activitypub itself doesn't know that syntax at all
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aaronpk Heh good question