#indieweb 2018-11-08

2018-11-08 UTC
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@Pinboard
My treat for myself after the election, win or lose, was always going to be Twitter retirement. You can find political stuff from me at http://eepurl.com/dmnmUY, pinboard stuff at http://pinboard.in/blog and other stuff on http://idlewords.com. Thanks to all! Veni, vidi, tweeti
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samw
hello
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KartikPrabhu
welcome samw
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jalcine
hey samw
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jalcine
woah @Pinboard@twitter.com's quitting
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petermolnar
!tell aaronpk webmention.io looks fried
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jalcine
oh damn
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jeremycherfas
Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel
good morning!
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Loqi
happy day
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[voss]
Good morning IndieWeb 🙂
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[voss]
Relative new-comer here, happy to "meet" everyone
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swentel
welcome :)
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sknebel
good morning and welcome!
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[voss]
@swentel, big fan of Indigenous
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[voss]
[sknebel] thank you
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swentel
[voss], thanks, nice to hear :)
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[jgmac1106]
Good Morning
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[schmarty]
Wow about pinboard!
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swentel
what happened?
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[schmarty]
Retired from twitter. Tweet link in the back scroll a few hours ago.
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petermolnar
still baffled by the fact that @mentions became a thing with the @ in front, given emails used to be [username] which then went to @localhost, so user@ could have been backward-compatible for mentions and we wouldn't have the awful looking @somene@instance things today.
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[Vincent]
Good morning/afternoon Indieweb
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[Vincent]
In reference to Pinboard silo quit. I look forward to the day I can quit Social media, once my Indieweb implementation is complete.
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[Vincent]
Blogs + Social reader FTW 😄
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jjuran
petermolnar: My guess is that @user mentions emerged from Twitter users as a means of indicating replies manually, and was only enshrined as official syntax later.
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jjuran
On YouTube, I and others used `user: "snipped quote" <blank line> My reply.`
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jjuran
Until Google stepped in and made posting in such a format produce mysterious errors, that is.
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jjuran
I assume the idea was that you were speaking "at" that person. So, similar to '@' meaning "at" in email addresses, but it's a "message directed at you" rather than "person at place".
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aaronpk
Whoops will fix shortly. Was working on some updates to it yesterday
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Loqi
aaronpk: petermolnar left you a message 5 hours, 53 minutes ago: webmention.io looks fried
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skippy
good morning.
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Loqi
morning!
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skippy
aaronpk: i forget: does Quill do any kind of markdown or html processing of stuff i submit? Totally spacing out on how to make a link inside the quill editor: <a href> or [link](target) ?
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aaronpk
In the note interface?
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skippy
editor, not note
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skippy
i think it passes markdown to my endpoint, whcih parses it as desired there.
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aaronpk
Ah it's a rich text editor, if you select some text a little thingy should pop up that lets you turn it into a link or format it
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aaronpk
it sends html in the end
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skippy
ok thanks.
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kisik21
aaronpk: what's up with webmention.io?
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aaronpk
I broke it during an upgrade
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aaronpk
should be mostly back now
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kisik21
aaronpk: works...
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kisik21
also congratulate me I've got a micropub endpoint!
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[kevinmarks]
The @ prefix came from irc
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[eddie]
Great job kisik21! 👏
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[eddie]
kisik21++
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Loqi
kisik21 has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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[kevinmarks]
Rabble wrote a great history of @ on twitter
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kisik21
Anyone knows a good application for reading indieweb sites on Android? (also I wanna make my site compatible with it)
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kisik21
what is reader
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Loqi
A reader (AKA indie reader or social reader) in the context of the indieweb is the portion/feature integrated into an indieweb site that provides a way to read content from other indieweb sites, possibly including posts from the current site, and respond (like, comment, repost, etc) inline in the reading UI itself https://indieweb.org/reader
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swentel
indigenous can post via micropub
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swentel
and read via microsub
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skippy
kisik21: you can also use Monocle via your phone's browser.
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kisik21
swentel: went with indigenous, 'cause already using it to post things
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[jgmac1106]
Here is a small grant (2.5k) I am working on for IndieWebCamp New Haven: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jL2afKS9k0qjmDoPespDKEooSU8_w3LnWj8uNiU6dc/edit?usp=sharing combining it with another event I do
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kaushalmodi
hello all
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kaushalmodi
is there a known issue accessing webmention.io dashboard/
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aaronpk
kaushalmodi: I was just rolling out some updates to it, and fixed it a couple hours ago
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kisik21
well, webmention.io was down recently
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kisik21
but now it's ok
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kaushalmodi
how recently?
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kaushalmodi
I was trying to sign in 2 mins back and I got https://i.imgtc.com/ftlqPJ5.png
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kaushalmodi
using both GitHub and email sign in methods
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aaronpk
what's your URL?
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kaushalmodi
also this may be a good time to freshen up on "best practices".. indieauth.com or indielogin.com? :)
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aaronpk
funny you should mention that
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aaronpk
I am working on that thing exactly right now
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kaushalmodi
aaronpk: In your Oct 2018 mozilla blog you mention indieauth.com
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kaushalmodi
but on indieauth.com, it says we should use indielogin.com
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aaronpk
it's a little confusing, sorry
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kaushalmodi
aaronpk: no worries; I am not troubled
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sebsel
kaushalmodi You're giving away a lot of information with sharing the code, me and state in your screenshot
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sebsel
although aaronpk should probably work on not displaying them this way either :P
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aaronpk
that's my fault for showing the full debug info
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kaushalmodi
sebsel: oops
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aaronpk
it's fine, the code should be expired already
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kaushalmodi
I'll be careful next time
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kaushalmodi
though, what should I report next time?
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kaushalmodi
so that you can debug the problem
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kaushalmodi
saying that "logging doesn't work" won't help
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aaronpk
this isn't something you should have to worry about, that's my fault for showing stuff on the screen that isn't safe to share
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kaushalmodi
aaronpk: so did that help identify the issue on webmention.io?
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kaushalmodi
aaronpk: did you *just* change the login to redirect to indielogin?
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aaronpk
yes like a few minutes ago
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aaronpk
I have another change i'm about to push too
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kaushalmodi
logging in works now, yay!
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Loqi
giggles
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kaushalmodi
aaronpk: so does this need to change?: <link rel="authorization_endpoint" href="https://indieauth.com/auth" data-proofer-ignore>
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aaronpk
no, which is the confusing part of indieauth.com :)
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kaushalmodi
ok, thanks for confirming though
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kaushalmodi
I don't mind fixing/updating things as necessary; just making sure that I am still all set
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kaushalmodi
I am very appreciative of this service you have set up
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aaronpk
yep, I don't have a replacement service for indieauth.com set up yet
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kaushalmodi
webmention.io has helped me receive a magnitude of more comments than disqus ever did
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aaronpk
eventually it will be at myindieauth.com and will work similarly to indieauth.com
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aaronpk
that's great to hear!
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kaushalmodi
that, in association with https://commentpara.de so shout out goes to cweiske too!
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Loqi
[Vika] wait, does monocle allow making posts?!
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aaronpk
sure does! it's a micropub client too if you have that set up
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kisik21
fun fact: this was posted via micropub ^^
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aaronpk
kisik21++ nice
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Loqi
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kaushalmodi
kisik21: I don't know if you have github notifications enabled. But while checking if that recent webmention.io issue was recorded in existing issues, I came across your issue on Hugo + wm's
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kaushalmodi
I have pasted a link there that shows an example of how I pass the target parameter
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kaushalmodi
though .. I also don't know JS .. so I am dealing with the fetched JSON statically in Hugo
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[dave]
[kaushalmodi] your social links on scripter.co would be cooler with `rel="me"` 🙂
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[dave]
[aaronpk] you have some JS throwing an exception when paginating on your site. Looks like it's because it's expecting your main profile bits to be on every page
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aaronpk
oh no thanks
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[dave]
Oh neat, an old friend from elsewhere on the web has popped up as a moderator at mastodon.technology
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kaushalmodi
[dave] I am not too conversant with rel=me
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kaushalmodi
how will that help?
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kaushalmodi
[dave] .. and was surprised to see mastodon.technology mentioned; I am on there
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[dave]
[kaushalmodi] it identifies that those social profiles are also you
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[dave]
yes, to the links in that section
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[dave]
I found that my friend is a mod there by clicking through to your profile and seeing his name in the sidebar
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kaushalmodi
hmm, I am adding rel=me only for github
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kaushalmodi
because webmention.io uses either github or email for verifying that it's me
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[dave]
If you add rel="me" for mastodon, the newest mastodon release will show that your homepage is "verified"
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kaushalmodi
ah! I didn't know that
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kaushalmodi
doesn't hurt adding
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Loqi
🌮 Dave Millar 🌮
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kaushalmodi
though, the way I have structure the template of my site, that rel=me will go in the head
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kaushalmodi
and not in the a tags of the actual links in the footer
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kaushalmodi
does that matter?
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[dave]
I don't know if mastodon's validation checks links in the head or not
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gRegorLove
It should
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[dave]
Claiming those other profiles can also be used to help validate you in other instances or at least verify that those are also you, such as in the microformats reader chrome extension or IndieAuth -- I think the latter supports Twitter, GitHub, email, and PGP key
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kaushalmodi
[dave] may be mastodon.technology is not updated?
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[dave]
Aaron has enough that it takes up more than the visible space of the chrome extension viewport XD
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[dave]
[kaushalmodi] perhaps
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kaushalmodi
[dave] confirmed: m.t. is on 2.5.2, whereas rel=me support was added in 2.6.0.
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kaushalmodi
in any case, now I added rel=me for mastodon; will see that link turn green when m.t. gets updated.
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kaushalmodi
thanks! :)
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[dave]
😄
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kaushalmodi
[dave] IndieAuth dropped Twitter support
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kaushalmodi
because I think twitter handicapped its API or something
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kaushalmodi
so that wasn't possible any more (I could be wrong)
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[dave]
The checkmark shows when I see your profile in my instance of mastodon
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kaushalmodi
[dave] interesting
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kaushalmodi
I don't see it on my own m.t. profile page though hehe
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[dave]
I don't know if I would call the Twitter API handicapped. Handicapped people can do much more than the Twitter API can.
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kaushalmodi
[dave] sincere apologies
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kaushalmodi
I should be more observant of how I say things
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kaushalmodi
and think things
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kaushalmodi
About the checkmark, I don't see it on https://mastodon.technology/@kaushalmodi/
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Loqi
Kaushal Modi :emacs:
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kaushalmodi
[dave] In summary, looks like setting the rel=me in HTML head worked (it was too easy: https://gitlab.com/kaushalmodi/kaushalmodi.gitlab.io/commit/45fac3bef3f19c85bfbb68d7fbd4a3ac6d1db7ff :D)
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[dave]
Yeah, I think that's just because it's pulling the data from your instance and showing it in mine with the new code.
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[dave]
That is definitely mega easy
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kisik21
does someone show comment threads on indieweb posts? is it a common practice? should I do this (and how, if it's possible at all?)
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kaushalmodi
kisik21: is this related to showing webmentions?
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kaushalmodi
or is it something else?
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kisik21
kaushalmodi: yes
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kaushalmodi
was the "yes" answer to?
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kisik21
webmention threads
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kaushalmodi
so I replied to your issue on webmention.io github
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kisik21
kaushalmodi: I was talking about showing replies to replies. Do you think it's possible?
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kaushalmodi
kisik21: yes, replies to replies (webmentions) is not possible AFAIK
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[eddie]
Replies to replies is something called Salmention
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[eddie]
it is possible but not super widely supported that I know of
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[eddie]
But probably a topic for the #dev channel, there should be a summary on the wiki though
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[eddie]
What is salmention?
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Loqi
Salmention is a protocol extension to Webmention to propagate comments and other interactions upstream by sending a webmention from a response to the original post when the response itself receives a response (comment, like, etc.) https://indieweb.org/Salmention
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[eddie]
kisik21 You can take a look there and if you have any questions you can ask in the #indieweb-dev channel
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kisik21
how do I make my webaction buttons more obvious? currently you can click on "like" or "comment" emoji in counters. Is this obvious enough?
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kisik21
if you wanna try out: https://fireburn.ru
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Loqi
Vika
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kisik21
oh wait
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kisik21
I haven't pushed the update yet!!!
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kisik21
ok pushed it... but it doesn't work for some reason
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kisik21
can someone test my webaction buttons?
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[eddie]
If you wanted to make the fact that they are buttons a bit more obvious, you could provide some type of border or background color to indicate it's click/tapable
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[manton]
I wrote a short post about how I think Micro.blog will settle into different types of usernames, including IndieWeb domain names. After the dust settles with this, I hope to revisit some of the recent nickname cache discussions too. https://manton.org/2018/11/08/usernames-on-microblog.html
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[schmarty]
manton++ really cool how you are exploring this space!
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Loqi
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sknebel
hm, does the activitypub community have a name for the user@domain.tld syntax users recognize? WebFinger identifier isn't it I guess, and activitypub itself doesn't know that syntax at all
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aaronpk
Heh good question