#indieweb 2019-01-26

2019-01-26 UTC
wolftune, [kevinmarks], snarfed, hadMar, nitot, KartikPrabhu and [tantek] joined the channel
#
[tantek] yes that example is a mention
#
[tantek] I was just offering that as evidence that Lessig had called out / recognized aaronsw. I was going to add him in my check-in (he's still in my Swarm friends)
gRegorLove joined the channel
#
[tantek] and Cory Doctorow just recognized aaronsw contribution to public domain
wolftune joined the channel
#
KartikPrabhu what is toots
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "toots" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "toots is ____", a sentence describing the term)
#
KartikPrabhu hmmm
#
KartikPrabhu isn't that mastdon name for notes?
#
KartikPrabhu relevance: https://twitter.com/zeldman/status/1088960066504540162
#
@zeldman They lost me at “toots.” (twitter.com/_/status/1088960066504540162)
#
[tantek] lol Mastodon reference
#
[tantek] what is a toot
#
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "toot" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "toot is ____", a sentence describing the term)
#
[tantek] heh
#
[tantek] what are notes
#
Loqi A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page https://indieweb.org/notes
#
[tantek] toot is /note
#
Loqi ok
#
[tantek] toots is / note
#
Loqi ok
DenSchub, nitot, tw2113, wolftune, leg, GWG_, GWG, KartikPrabhu and sl007 joined the channel; leg left the channel
#
sl007 tantek - Yes right - I'll sit there with Christopher and some kids. I have cancelled the library and the session area in the cinema because that was to much for 2 persons. Exerybody is always welcome. The accomodation is for free - monday - friday http://watertorenvlissingen.com and on friday we go to FOSDEM Brussels
[frank] and jgee joined the channel
#
[frank] This Tuesday I will visit a Dutch meetup about PublicSpaces. A new initiative from well-respected organisations here in the Netherlands, to providing a digital social platform that serves the common interest and does not seek profit. More on https://publicspaces.net/
#
[frank] They have plans to build middleware components, open for the public, among others based on Activitypub. Read more on https://publicspaces.net/2018/09/24/aiming-for-agile-product-development/
#
jacky [frank]: might be more suitable for #fenas
[pfefferle] joined the channel
#
[frank] What's #fenas?
#
jacky https://feneas.org
#
jacky they have more of a focus on the Fediverse / ActivityPub / federation aspect of things
#
sl007 [frank] As said, Christopher, one of the two ActivityPub authors, is in Vlissingen then : We could come by.
#
[frank] @sl007 the meeting already has a waitinglist so changes are low you can get in. And it's on the other side of the country. I think you'll be travelling about 3-4 hours to get there...
#
sl007 oh, sorry - I thought more it might be interesting for them if one of the invetors is there - however : no worries.
leg joined the channel
#
sl007 Everybody coming to FOSDEM : ActivityPub is in the devroom - room number https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/room/ud2218a/
cweiske, nitot, markoong and [tantek] joined the channel; leg left the channel
#
[tantek] sl007 thanks for the update - shall we make some of those details more clear on the wiki page? E.g. it would be great if we could list some additional details like cwebber will be there, and that there will be ActivityPub discussions, note which room you will be in, etc.
#
[tantek] The more we set clearer expectations for folks of who will be there, and what are likely topics, the more likely you may get a few more people at least!
[frank] joined the channel
#
[frank] You can always contact them to see what's possible.
#
[frank] You can find (Dutch) info about the meetup on https://www.meetup.com/nl-NL/Media-Villa-Arnhem/
#
sl007 Ok, we can extend the page for the above FOSDEM schedule tomorrow. I'll ask CLW if anything else is planned - the ActivityPub panel in https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/room/ud2218a/ is in 7 days SAT : https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/activitypub_panel/ - the problem with FOSDEM is more or less that people will fight for space in this small room as it was in the last years ...
mickael and barpthewire joined the channel
#
sl007 [frank] Is the event in dutch or english ?
catsup joined the channel
#
Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
mickael joined the channel
#
sknebel good morning!
anotheryou joined the channel
#
Zegnat Still catching up on logs in the other channels, but how is everyone?
nitot and mickael joined the channel
#
Zegnat So I just saw https://adactio.com/notes/14683 by adactio in my backlog and am wondering what people think of the use of tinyurl there?
#
sknebel is the idea to hide the titles?
#
sknebel (given that Twitter shows the URLs)
#
Zegnat Hmm, I guess that could be a reason? Not sure. I feel like you lose value as you now depend on tinyurl to be up for your post to mean anything
#
sl007 Hm, I saw that someone commented out FOSDEM (incl. their call for participation) on indieweb/events but I still saw it (maybe cached). But finally that explains why people told me they could nott see it on the wiki.
#
sl007 Added the devroom there.
mickael and deathrow1 joined the channel
#
Zegnat sl007, maybe it was this? https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Events&diff=55496&oldid=55494 FOSDEM has very little wiki presence (https://indieweb.org/FOSDEM) so I guess its relevance to IndieWeb wasn’t clear.
[jgmac1106] joined the channel
#
[jgmac1106] Good morning
#
Loqi good morning!
iasai, swentel, sl007, deathrow1 and [kevinmarks] joined the channel
#
[kevinmarks] PESOS needed https://twitter.com/katebevan/status/1089135449493422086
#
Zegnat Some content works better on one medium than on the other. I do not think that is anything new
#
Zegnat The hashtag thing is interesting though.
[jgmac1106] joined the channel
#
[jgmac1106] #but #that #is #how #all #the #kids #insta
#
[jgmac1106] #LongLiveTheTotallyUselessHashtagUsedForAllTheWrongReasonsThusMakingItTheMostestRightReasonEver
#
Zegnat I wonder if it is just a photo thing though. And that people (not just kids who are “instaing”) are more likely to put more categorisations/labels/tags on photos.
#
[jgmac1106] it is a discourse pattern more than categorization
#
[jgmac1106] I think it has sent 17 librarians to seek long term residency in mental health hospitals due to the unorganized chaos of a tool to help organize
nunatak, [Rose] and nloadholtes joined the channel
#
jjuran Most people are terrible at metadata. Napster taught me that.
#
[jgmac1106] yes and they aren't seeing hashtags as metadata, its just a way to be, how you hang on instagram, to signify membership within the larger community
#
jjuran I'm inclined to believe it's a mistake for tags to be mixed in with the message body.
#
[jgmac1106] not me, need them in the body for reference and promotion the tag is the message
#
Zegnat I am with jjuran. Tumblr also did fine not having tags in the body, and people still grouped around specific tags.
#
Zegnat wonders if hashtag use on IG is closer to Tumblr tag use than Twitter hashtag use
#
[jgmac1106] yes Tumblr way better metaphor
#
[jgmac1106] people vomit hashtags in both places
#
[jgmac1106] but here is an example of me using a tag in the content, bc the tag represents more than metadata, it is the community of my students
#
[jgmac1106] https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/01/26/dogtrax-check-it-out-edu407-here-is
#
Loqi [Greg McVerry] @dogtrax Check it out #edu407 here is a literacy mantra and it's never too late for a mantra by definition they should transcend time and space https://twitter.com/dogtrax/status/1089142504610512896
#
jeremycherfas I think there may also be a snake-oil SEO background to the people who use scores of hashtags on IG. Use hashtags, get followers.
#
aaronpk Can confirm it works
#
aaronpk At lest gets you followers who also use hashtags to get followers
#
aaronpk But actually more often gets you likes from random people because they have an easy way to find you photo now that it shows up in the hashtag
mickael joined the channel
#
jeremycherfas I mostly gave up on hashtags because Known deletes them, which results in choice nonsense if you integrate them in the text.
#
[jgmac1106] what do you mean Jeremy granted they use rel rather than p-category
#
[jgmac1106] ahhh I see what you mean no value is set: class="p-category" rel="tag">#opepedagogy but any hashtag gets converted to a link so they can be sorted
#
jeremycherfas No. When Known receives a POST from oyg it strips all words that begin with # and they are gone forever.
#
Zegnat That sounds like a bug
#
[jgmac1106] ....yeah that is the rich text editor in status updates messes up PESOS and micropub all the time
deathrow1 joined the channel
#
jeremycherfas Known knows about it. 😀 I’m sure that and the other entity issues could be solved relatively easily, but I am scared of enabling injects.
#
sknebel weird, I can't think of way in which escaping of *plaintext* would remove hashtags...
#
sknebel jeremycherfas: is there a filed issue against known to follow?
sl007 and wolftune joined the channel
#
sl007 Leaving for the Netherlands - in Vlissingen on Monday. https://indieweb.org/2019/Vlissingen - just two notes about FOSDEM - if you arrive by car: There is a low emission zone and the fines are high, so just register our car.
#
sl007 FOSDEM 2: There is only space for up to 400 people in the devrooms - so as always it will be impossible to watch a keynote (8000 people room) and go to the devroom after because it will be full then. Recommending to watch keynotes on video later …
KartikPrabhu, snarfed, [Rose], [nick], wolftune and tw2113 joined the channel