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#Loqi[indienews] New post: "Going to work on implementing a guestbook of sorts for Koype for the online IndieWebCamp Summit. Should have something done by this time tomorrow!
published 2019-03-09T12:17:41.61200-..." https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/96f39c17-ee70-4ed4-9a3b-efb132f031af
#Loqi[indienews] New post: "We completed the #IndieWeb online homebrew club today - where people from all around the world were able to do a 2 day hackathon and demo stuff they were working on!
I got a prototype of ..." https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/3467cb19-2e02-4d59-9cc9-c7f144939d02
#sknebelbunch of tweets going out too, from posts labelled as 2 weeks ago?
#Loqi[indienews] New post: "Just left a note to consider adding IndieAuth support to ElixirStatus. That would be dope!
published 2019-03-02T17:12:58.66959-08:00
updated 2019-03-02T17:12:58.67012-08:00
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#jackyI don't think I can delete that from my site
#sknebelnot sure if indienews would handle it if it had the long url as a second url property
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#[jgmac1106]Jacky talked to mblaney about indiepay.me and Fediverse possibly... Also isn't [benwerd] was helping some kind of content payment company I thought
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#[tantek]Is anyone here owning their labelings or unlabelings? As in adding / removing labels from GitHub issues?
#[tantek]Or is anyone even thinking / wanting to do that?
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#aaronpkI don't really care to since it seems like a relative low value thing being created and also the end goal really is to add the label in someone else's space
#[tantek]It's a remaining interaction that you have to leave your /reader and go use the site-specific UI to do. Perhaps esoteric for doing self-owned repos/issues, but much more broadly applicable in the "tag a person in a photo", "remove yourself from being tagged in a photo" use-case which is the same interaction.
#aaronpkYes that's true. I think the photo tagging case is more interesting.
#[tantek]I'm looking at solving the labeling/unlabeling because it is a personal need (mf2 issues), and I'd like to use that solution as a way to drive visibility into and a step towards solving the more general case of photo tagging / removal of tagging.
#[tantek]Also applicable (for me at least) to aspects of SWAT0 support
#aaronpkI think even in the github case it's more interesting to talk about it in the context of readers, otherwise it will be more steps to post the label on your site instead of just on github directly .
#[tantek]totally agreed. goal is better UX (being able to stay in your reader and label / remove a label from an issue you happen to see in your reader without going to GH)
#[tantek]side effect is the /response post on your own site keeping track of you having done that
#[tantek]I figure solving the "post the label on your site" piece is a good building block towards that better UX, and one that I can personally help explore and solve (letting others solve the other building blocks as necessary for the complete UX)
#[tantek]at least to document the possibility, since a lot of times we seem to make assumptions that archiving the target of a link to Internet Archive is "good enough" etc.
#Jeremycherfas!tell Zegnat that happened to the Freakinomics feed but I keep it on because the posts are so weird.
#sketchesshah, I understand know.... the schedule lifted all question marks.
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#sketchesswell have a pleasant day, evening and night guys
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#[eddie]I know the original author of that website stopped blogging and basically switched to sending out an occasional newsletter. I wonder if he flipped a switch in the way a kid machine before he hand to erase the previous entries
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#aaronpkassuming "a kid machine" is supposed to be "wayback machine"?
#aaronpkthe way they handle that is if at any point robots.txt says to disallow the wayback machine, they'll go delete everything. that means a new domain owner can erase the archive from the previous owner.
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#[tantek]no they hide whatever robots.txt asks to not index. they don't delete. so if/when a future owner changes the robots.txt it comes back. or if the domain expires and the robots.txt 404s
#[tantek]even when hidden, the archives may still be available to researchers by special request
#LoqiGoogle+ (AKA Google Plus, GPlus, or G+) is a soon to be shut down (2019 April) social content hosting silo operated by Google, similar in many respects to Facebook, and formerly a centralized Google identity service (since transitioned to Google Identity Platform https://indieweb.org/G%2B
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#aaronpkah they don't actually delete? that's good at least
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#aaronpkstill kind of annoying that there's no way for the old owner of the domain to ensure that the content stays available after the domain expires
#[tantek]agreed. there ought to be a failsafe opt-in must-show-archive for this use-case.
#[tantek]but only affirmatively, so you could irrevocably grant permission to archive and show archive, but nothing for the opposite (irrevocably block archiving)
#[tantek]will try to remember to mention it Brewster next time I bump into him to see if they've thought of it already, or would consider supporting it
#[tantek]or maybe they could infer such irrevocability if they found a rel=alternate href=ipsf: