#indieweb 2019-03-31

2019-03-31 UTC
wolftune, nitot, iasai, eli_oat, mblaney, rEnr3n, tw2113, electronicmaji, snarfed, BenLubar1, KartikPrabhu, barpthewire, ingoogni and [Rose] joined the channel; tw2113 left the channel
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[Rose]
Good morning all.
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[sebsel]
Good morning :)
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sknebel
good morning!
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[sebsel]
what time is it for GWG?
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Loqi
In GWG's timezone, America/New_York, it is currently 6:20am on March 31
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Jeremycherfas
Good morning IndieWeb Looking forward to the long, light evening today.
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[sebsel]
more light, more demos :)
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[jgmac1106]
I love EU IndieWeb community only folk up at a reasonable hour. Early light most productive light
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GWG
Morning
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Loqi
greetings human
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Going to work on implementing a guestbook of sorts for Koype for the online IndieWebCamp Summit. Should have something done by this time tomorrow! published 2019-03-09T12:17:41.61200-..." https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/96f39c17-ee70-4ed4-9a3b-efb132f031af
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "We completed the #IndieWeb online homebrew club today - where people from all around the world were able to do a 2 day hackathon and demo stuff they were working on! I got a prototype of ..." https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/3467cb19-2e02-4d59-9cc9-c7f144939d02
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Koype's At 0.0.5!" https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/koype-0.0.5
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sknebel
jacky: ^^^
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sknebel
bunch of tweets going out too, from posts labelled as 2 weeks ago?
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Just left a note to consider adding IndieAuth support to ElixirStatus. That would be dope! published 2019-03-02T17:12:58.66959-08:00 updated 2019-03-02T17:12:58.67012-08:00 ..." https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/e044a006-8fd7-47ba-9d2c-484604ffb465
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jacky
oh boy
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jacky
I was testing some code to re-syndicate posts that hadn't fully syndicated
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jacky
did it last night and just pushed it a few minutes ago
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jacky
looks like a _lot_ of stuff didn't syndicate that I intended to
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sknebel
I also got a second github e-mail for https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/ababea36-dae4-4e5b-9c57-5c566c469417, but at github there's only one (maybe you did delete the first from 12 hours or so ago?)
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Loqi
[Jacky Alciné] What would that provide? The ability to amend / add notes to it?
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jacky
oh boy
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jacky
hmm that's odd
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jacky
I did delete the prior one
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jacky
to update it
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jacky
I _think_ it's done
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jacky
no, it got interrupted
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Loqi
[v2.jacky.wtf] Koype's At 0.0.5!
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jacky
ah that's a problem
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jacky
I don't think I can delete that from my site
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sknebel
not sure if indienews would handle it if it had the long url as a second url property
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[jgmac1106]
Jacky talked to mblaney about indiepay.me and Fediverse possibly... Also isn't [benwerd] was helping some kind of content payment company I thought
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106]
Morning Zegnat
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Zegnat
How much time until demoes?
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[jgmac1106]
Gimme 15 minutes doing some wiki gardening now will set timer
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Zegnat
Mostly just wondering if I should try and rush build something
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[jgmac1106]
You should never rush but always build
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Loqi
I agree
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GWG
Zegnat: Are you demoing?
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[jgmac1106]
Happy to do an EU Demo time as well we are -5 UTC demos set for 15:00 local
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Zegnat
Depends if I build something this afternoon, GWG. I am having a slow Sunday, so chances are I am not actually going to have anything to show
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[jgmac1106]
what is writeas?
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[jgmac1106]
What is write.as
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Loqi
write.as is a minimal UI blogging tool meant for quick posting with good pseudonymity https://indieweb.org/writeas
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Loqi
write.as is a minimal UI blogging tool meant for quick posting with good pseudonymity https://indieweb.org/write.as
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Zegnat
Hmm, on the subject of discovery from shared OPML files, this sounds interesting: http://inessential.com/2019/03/11/feed_discovery_with_feed_compass
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Simple Location 3.6.3 Released" https://david.shanske.com/2019/03/31/simple-location-3-6-3-released/
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[tantek]
Is anyone here owning their labelings or unlabelings? As in adding / removing labels from GitHub issues?
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[tantek]
Or is anyone even thinking / wanting to do that?
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aaronpk
I don't really care to since it seems like a relative low value thing being created and also the end goal really is to add the label in someone else's space
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[tantek]
It's a remaining interaction that you have to leave your /reader and go use the site-specific UI to do. Perhaps esoteric for doing self-owned repos/issues, but much more broadly applicable in the "tag a person in a photo", "remove yourself from being tagged in a photo" use-case which is the same interaction.
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aaronpk
Yes that's true. I think the photo tagging case is more interesting.
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[tantek]
I'm looking at solving the labeling/unlabeling because it is a personal need (mf2 issues), and I'd like to use that solution as a way to drive visibility into and a step towards solving the more general case of photo tagging / removal of tagging.
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[tantek]
Also applicable (for me at least) to aspects of SWAT0 support
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aaronpk
I think even in the github case it's more interesting to talk about it in the context of readers, otherwise it will be more steps to post the label on your site instead of just on github directly .
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[tantek]
totally agreed. goal is better UX (being able to stay in your reader and label / remove a label from an issue you happen to see in your reader without going to GH)
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[tantek]
side effect is the /response post on your own site keeping track of you having done that
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[tantek]
I figure solving the "post the label on your site" piece is a good building block towards that better UX, and one that I can personally help explore and solve (letting others solve the other building blocks as necessary for the complete UX)
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[tantek]
[aaronpk] so far my deep/broad thinking on this has led me to this brainstorm, with a few options that I'd appreciate your insights & opinions on: https://indieweb.org/edit#add_remove_properties_on_other_posts
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Zegnat
When you have to remove a blog from your reader because the domain was turned into a spam blog: sadness
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Zegnat
And looks like they also unlisted it from the web archive: double sadness
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[tantek]
ouch whoa
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Zegnat
https://web.archive.org/web/*/jamesshelley.net “This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine.”
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Zegnat
I think the original owner may have moved to the dot-com
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[tantek]
I wonder if those are worth tracking on /Internet_Archive as an Issue?
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[tantek]
at least to document the possibility, since a lot of times we seem to make assumptions that archiving the target of a link to Internet Archive is "good enough" etc.
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Jeremycherfas
!tell Zegnat that happened to the Freakinomics feed but I keep it on because the posts are so weird.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat
These are really just spam for products in a language I do not understand anyway
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sketchess
good morning Indieweb
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sknebel
good evening sketchess!
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[jgmac1106]
Well leaving New Haven all packed up. Event was small but the successes were huge... Elm City Webmakers going have a big HWC meeting
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sketchess
sounds lovely jgmac1106
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[jgmac1106]
You need to remote into next IWC sketchess
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sketchess
I do?
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sketchess
I do not understand what you are trying to say, jgmac1106.
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sketchess
remote like remote access?
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sketchess
hah, I understand know.... the schedule lifted all question marks.
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sketchess
well have a pleasant day, evening and night guys
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[eddie]
I know the original author of that website stopped blogging and basically switched to sending out an occasional newsletter. I wonder if he flipped a switch in the way a kid machine before he hand to erase the previous entries
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aaronpk
assuming "a kid machine" is supposed to be "wayback machine"?
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aaronpk
the way they handle that is if at any point robots.txt says to disallow the wayback machine, they'll go delete everything. that means a new domain owner can erase the archive from the previous owner.
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[tantek]
no they hide whatever robots.txt asks to not index. they don't delete. so if/when a future owner changes the robots.txt it comes back. or if the domain expires and the robots.txt 404s
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[tantek]
even when hidden, the archives may still be available to researchers by special request
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[tantek]
when is G+ shutting down?
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Loqi
what
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[tantek]
what is G+
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Loqi
Google+ (AKA Google Plus, GPlus, or G+) is a soon to be shut down (2019 April) social content hosting silo operated by Google, similar in many respects to Facebook, and formerly a centralized Google identity service (since transitioned to Google Identity Platform https://indieweb.org/G%2B
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aaronpk
ah they don't actually delete? that's good at least
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aaronpk
still kind of annoying that there's no way for the old owner of the domain to ensure that the content stays available after the domain expires
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[tantek]
agreed. there ought to be a failsafe opt-in must-show-archive for this use-case.
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[tantek]
like an unrevocable robots index
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[tantek]
but only affirmatively, so you could irrevocably grant permission to archive and show archive, but nothing for the opposite (irrevocably block archiving)
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[tantek]
will try to remember to mention it Brewster next time I bump into him to see if they've thought of it already, or would consider supporting it
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[tantek]
or maybe they could infer such irrevocability if they found a rel=alternate href=ipsf:
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[tantek]
er href=ipfs:
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[tantek]
looking at my G+ export now
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[tantek]
wow my last post was 6 years ago
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[tantek]
some HTML, vcf, ics, JSON, jpg. no microformats
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