#indieweb 2019-04-02

2019-04-02 UTC
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jalcine https://easydns.com/blog/2019/04/01/easydns-social-justice-pricing-goes-into-effect-today/
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[schmarty] Oh no that is not a good look
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mblaney haha make sure you check out the pricing table :-D
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jalcine https://coolguy.website/links/index.html
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fluffy oh hey there's a slack, that's way easier than the web interface for me
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Zegnat IndieWeb has all the things.
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4zoJ3Rki.jpg
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[fluffy] so how do the web- and slack-based chatters show up on IRC? Is there just a bot which prefixes `<fluffy>` to its messages or something?
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[Rose] There's bridging software.
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[Rose] That's the extent of my knowledge.
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Zegnat On IRC a separate bot joins for every Slack user, and it wraps the nicks in square brackets
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Zegnat Or, well, not really separate bot, but separate instances of the same bot, I guess
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Ruxton wooow that easydns foools post :/
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Ruxton fluffy: they shw up like this https://puu.sh/D8UrY/858b974cbe.png
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Ruxton lol
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[fluffy] Huh, interesting. Does the IRC server have some funky extension to allow that? I’m way out of touch on what the IRC protocol folks have been doing, admittedly.
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Zegnat [fluffy]: no, I think the server just spins up several IRC connections. They are cheap, and IRC does not usually block concurrent connections coming from the same place
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[fluffy] I meant regarding the nickname formatting, not the multi-connections 🙂
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[fluffy] (of course back when I used IRC regularly, having more than a few connections from a single IP address would often trigger an instant k-line, but that’s dating me even further…)
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[fluffy] like from what I can tell on the screenshot, the webchat version of myself has a nickname of `[fluffy]` which I wasn’t aware was a valid IRC nickname.
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[fluffy] or is the IRC nickname `fluffy` which was somehow not reserved by the nickname registration system?
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Zegnat Ah, that, several IRC servers allow the square brackets actually. The IndieWeb system just uses it to lessen the chance of stepping on registered nicks
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[fluffy] ah, makes sense
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Zegnat Matrix bridges to Freenode usually add something like [m] behind nicks. All different flavours.
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[fluffy] obligatory https://www.xkcd.com/927/
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[Zegnat] Uuh, they add `[m]`. Sorry. Typing the square brackets on IRC makes it an @-mention on Slack
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "I finally did it. Koype’s first theme. I finally did it. Koype’s first theme. published 2019-04-02T02:26:36.94938-07:00 updated 2019-04-02T02:26:36.95001-07:00 by ..." https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/4453b88d-8a33-4b07-9bae-61a9fb08d15e
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jalcine welp
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jalcine hmm
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jalcine ah I see it
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jalcine I don't get the bit re: timestamps tho
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cweiske wow. commentpara.de is really used on https://babbagefiles.xyz/guix_maze_of_lispy_little_passages/
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Loqi [Benjamin Slade] Guix: You are in a maze of lispy little passages, (map equal? '('all 'alike) '('all 'alike))
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Jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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sl007 jalcine - saw the link recommendations - about 'Scuttlebut' :: It is currently (ep. 14) featured in this nice podcast https://librelounge.org – all the last 4 episodes are very nice. 11 is also featuring the indieweb Vlissingen week …
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Zegnat cweiske: that looks like a great example for webmention enabled comments!
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sknebel cweiske++ for running commentparade
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Loqi cweiske has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (21 in all channels)
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GWG Morning
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Loqi happy day
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[kenbauer] Good morning IndieWeb!
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jalcine some random thought
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jalcine I'm wondering how I'd mark up a up-vote of a link
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jalcine namely one on something like redditt or lobsters
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jalcine I guess it could be just a like
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[schmarty] but the downvotes!
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jalcine `u-dislike-of`
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jalcine lol
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[kevinmarks] or could be a review
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jalcine that feels like a bit of an overload, no?
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jalcine hm
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jalcine yeah it is technically a review lol
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jalcine but now I feel compelled to write something + my downvote
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[kevinmarks] review makes sense when you're aggregating votes
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[kevinmarks] otherwise it may just be a like
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jalcine I'm looking at http://microformats.org/wiki/votelinks
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[kevinmarks] heh
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[kevinmarks] we tried with that, and did some aggregation, but star ratings won out overall
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[jgmac1106] Stars go negative?
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jalcine I didn't figure that myself
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jalcine I'm going to try out the votelinks
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[jgmac1106] Mmmm me sees this going into your events stuff as well for a Doodle poll
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[kevinmarks] well, 1 star is negative, 5 is positive
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Zegnat Are star ratings still winning though? Wasn’t one of the reasons Netflix did away with them because they noticed people actually tended to just do 1 and 5?
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jalcine 1 isn't a negative number?
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jalcine Zegnat: some sites try it out but map the values to text
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[kevinmarks] it is in sigmas
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jalcine https://i.imgur.com/ebV5o55.png
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[kevinmarks] you plot the distributions of stars and see whats above the mean/media
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Zegnat jalcine: interesting, though I think Netflix also used to map to text and that apparently didn’t change people’s minds
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Zegnat So I wonder what the raw votes behind that 6 look like
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[kevinmarks] https://www.evanmiller.org/how-not-to-sort-by-average-rating.html
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Zegnat Or behind the 76%, if that is the aggregate and the 6 is your actual rating
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jalcine Zegnat: really? I don't recall
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Zegnat Hmm, one dot of 3G is not enough to turn up good Google imagge results
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[kevinmarks] if you have a star system, plotting the histogram as a sparkline is good
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Zegnat Ugh, now I want to start storing screenshots of all such ui elements and what shows when you hover them so I do not need to go trawling the internet for a screenshot of old-reddit
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[kevinmarks] I have a vote counting site: https://indicativevote.uk/
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jalcine I'm not aiming to do any statistics with this kind of info
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jalcine I just want to capture that I upvoted a link on a site that points to another site
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Zegnat jalcine: http://bogost.com/images/content/blog/netflix.gif
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jalcine which, in retrospect, kind of sounds weird
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jalcine Zegnat: ahh gotcha
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Zegnat Which I would say was their form of 6 = Fair
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Zegnat That sounds more like you want to own a +1 / -1 response than an actual vote of some kind. Especially since context is important. A -1 may not mean you disliked the thing that was linked to, just didn’t think the link itself was aproriate for the agregator
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Zegnat E.g. -1 a reddit post about horses on a dogs subreddit
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Zegnat votelinks make that a little murky. Should that be a vote against the reddit post? A vote for the post it links to? Neither of those seem like the full intent of a downvote on reddit
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jalcine I guess I'm working with the assumption that the link I'm pointing to is the aggregate link and not the actual content I'm responding to
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jalcine granted, without a common semantic value for "up", "agree" and "down", "disagree" and/or values inbetween, the value sent could mean anything
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jalcine trying to mirror the idea behind rsvp posts
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sknebel jalcine: one interpretation: the like is of the content, the aggregate is something along the lines of a syndication? (But arguably not the same)
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[tantek] jalcine see /reacji 👎
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[tantek] Already works to POSSE to Github issues & comments too via Bridgy
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[tantek] If you’re trying to mirror anything behind RSVP posts, please first look at just how much research (on mf wiki, IndieWeb wiki) it took to (and iteration over time) to make that happen.
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[tantek] It was one of the harder new properties and sets of values we introduced and took a lot of work to get “right” (and there’s still more features people want! /rsvp#Brainstorming
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[tantek] Coming up with a discrete set of values for a property for a format is a very hard thing to do well, only do it if it is absolutely necessary for well known and already established publishing/consuming use-cases
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[tantek] (And then expect it to take at least months and more likely a year+ based on past successful examples)
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NotFBI hello
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