#indieweb 2019-04-18

2019-04-18 UTC
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[jgmac1106] Ever read Automatic's ToS?? We create a "shadow site" for every website....
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[tantek] What does that even mean?
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[jgmac1106] Probably just a CDN to cut down on load times... But sounds shady AF
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[jgmac1106] But I can't even leave a comment on a WP blog now without logging in to Jetpack and automatic and giving away that data
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[jgmac1106] ... And the third party ad networks that get access to that data... Automattic and Jetpack big reason I walked away from WP
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[tantek] presumably you don't have to do that for self-hosted WP blogs
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[tantek] quiet writing hour here at HWC SF with three of us so far
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[tantek] we're talking about HTTP 417 now https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-5.1.1
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GWG You wild people you
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[schmarty] lol Expectation Failed
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[tantek] homepage << now
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Now]]" to the "See Also" section of /homepage https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=59388&oldid=59387
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[tantek] now << homepage
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Loqi ok, I added "[[homepage]]" to the "See Also" section of /Now https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=59389&oldid=52094
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[tantek] discussed /discovery a bunch
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[eddie] tantek any interesting /discovery bits?
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[tantek] Eddie yes let me see if I can recall some off the top of my head
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[tantek] Jeff observed that he felt like Mastodon’s UI provided some good ways to discover people
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[tantek] And he asked if there was an IndieWeb way to say see recent posts from people in the IndieWeb community
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[tantek] I thought of /planet so we looked at that and clicked thru a few of the examples
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[tantek] In particular the unicyclic (sp?) example and stream.indieweb.org (which is actually pretty neat)
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[eddie] Very. Cool!
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[eddie] Yeah I really enjoy stream.indieweb.org, I have it in its own channel in my reader
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chrisaldrich I could imagine that it would be cool if there were something like unmung.com's Mastodon Instance functionality, but that was drawing sites/feeds from something like /chat-names or /indie_map and it's list https://github.com/snarfed/indie-map/blob/master/crawl/domains.txt
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[eddie] What is unmung’s mastodon instance functionality? Looking I only see a “Mastodon preview” form.
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "unmung’s mastodon instance functionality" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "unmung’s mastodon instance functionality is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich eddie, it's exactly that. When you put in an instance name it gives you a view into it. For example: http://www.unmung.com/mastoview?url=mastodon.social&local=on
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chrisaldrich or you can click on the "random instance" button to see others
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chrisaldrich A random IndieWeb site button would be a pretty cool thing. The closest I'm aware of is custom built for sites whose owners' first name is Ben.
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chrisaldrich It's also not too dissimilar to the idea of a webring.
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[tantek] I mean come on: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/facebook-reportedly-uploaded-people-email-contacts-without-consent.html
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[tantek] Facebook << 2019-04-18 CNBC: [https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/facebook-reportedly-uploaded-people-email-contacts-without-consent.html Facebook says it ‘unintentionally uploaded’ 1.5 million users’ email contacts without permission]
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Loqi ok, I added "2019-04-18 CNBC: [https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/facebook-reportedly-uploaded-people-email-contacts-without-consent.html Facebook says it ‘unintentionally uploaded’ 1.5 million users’ email contacts without permission]" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=59399&oldid=59331
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jjuran What are "email contacts" really? Is this data from your computer? From Gmail?
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[tantek] see the article. from context it appears to be local addressbook email addresses, presumably uploaded by their native app on a mobile
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[Rose] Well, that's a "whoops" that deserves a few billion $ fine I personally think
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Jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "👓 Fixing the financial dilemma at the heart of our broken tech industry | Ben Werdmüller" https://werd.io/2019/fixing-the-financial-dilemma-at-the-heart-of-our-broken (from https://boffosocko.com/2019/04/17/fixing-the-financial-dilemma-at-the-heart-of-our-broken-tech-industry-ben-werdmuller/)
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[tantek] How I imagine historians 500 years from now will discover and appreciate [cleverdevil]'s incredibly comprehensive personal archives of everything he's posted anywhere ever, including summaries of things he's read, all his silo backfills, all collected on his own website: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/apr/10/extraordinary-500-year-old-library-catalogue-reveals-books-lost-to-time-libro-de-los-epitomes
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[cleverdevil] We shall see [tantek] !
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: jgmac1106[m] left you a message 1 week ago: here is an example of a gDoc embedded slideshow in a blog post..thoguh there are a number of WP pulgins that make this easy: https://jorg.pareigis.se/2/2019/04/11/back-to-basics-for-sustainability-presentation-at-oer19/
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[tantek] [cleverdevil] 😳 I appreciate your optimism about being around 500 years from now
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[tantek] (to see it)
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[cleverdevil] Haha
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[tantek] longevity << 2019-04-10 The Guardian UK: [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/apr/10/extraordinary-500-year-old-library-catalogue-reveals-books-lost-to-time-libro-de-los-epitomes 'Extraordinary' 500-year-old library catalogue reveals books lost to time]
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Loqi ok, I added "2019-04-10 The Guardian UK: [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/apr/10/extraordinary-500-year-old-library-catalogue-reveals-books-lost-to-time-libro-de-los-epitomes 'Extraordinary' 500-year-old library catalogue reveals books lost to time]" to the "See Also" section of /longevity https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=59405&oldid=57992
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[tantek] What is Dipity?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Dipity" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Dipity is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] thread: https://twitter.com/prisonculture/status/1118849875913924609
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@prisonculture I've learned the hard way though that I need to figure out a way to independently archive our work because you never know when these "free" platforms will disappear. Years ago I made a police violence & rap music timeline on Dipity which took me years to compile & they went under (twitter.com/_/status/1118849875913924609)
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gRegorLove An unfortunate final tweet from 2014: https://twitter.com/dipity/status/517899311485820928
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@dipity annnnd....we're back! apologies for the downtime. problem resolved. (twitter.com/_/status/517899311485820928)
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gRegorLove checks internet archive
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gRegorLove Whoa, that's a nifty visualization: http://web.archive.org/web/sitemap/http://blog.dipity.com/
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gRegorLove Select 2013 for one with a lot more
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gRegorLove Couldn't find an "incredible journey" message, looks like the domain just stopped working in 2016-09
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infominer_ just discovering indieweb and pretty stoked
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[Michael_Beckwit welcome infominer_
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infominer_ Hi Michael!
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infominer_ I've been learning the basics of web-publishing over the last few months, and am far enough along that I'm pretty interested to looking at implementing some aspects of the indieweb
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infominer_ I'm kinda surprised I haven't run into it before, because I've followed the decentralized identity movement pretty closely, and it seems like a perfect match w the principles
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[Michael_Beckwit i’m still slowly dipping my feet in overall, but I figure join the rooms/slack/etc to keep the topic on the forefront of my mind 😄
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infominer_ I used to hang w IRC when I was a kid... I would not be dissapointed to find some corners that are still active...
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[Michael_Beckwit i can’t say for certain if IRC is thriving by any means, but it is most definitely still around
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infominer_ discord has got the UX..
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infominer_ obvs centralized.. but pretty configurable withing their silo.. so that's kinda where I've stuck my flag for now
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infominer_ matrix is exciting
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infominer_ eventually will have comperable ux to discord... so there's that
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infominer_ but I'm really curious about IndieWeb.. and integrating it w my static site, and getting to know the community a bit
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chrisaldrich Thanks for that Wayback machine visualization tip gRegorLove. Who knew my site had so much data? And particularly since I ping the archive at regular intervals: http://web.archive.org/web/sitemap/https://www.boffosocko.com/
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chrisaldrich comparing just a few years ago with only a few post types to now feels kind of crazy...
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gRegorLove ooh wow, chrisaldrich!
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[Michael_Beckwit yeah, i don’t have much on my sites
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[Michael_Beckwit my sitemaps are boring 😄
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jalcine wow this is reminding me how often I changed my site
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jalcine https://web.archive.org/web/20150315164035/https://jacky.wtf/
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jalcine I remember loving this page
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gRegorLove Hehe, look how tiny the items in the second ring are: http://web.archive.org/web/sitemap/https://indieweb.org
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jalcine I might bring it back
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gRegorLove Ahh, need a content warning for comic sans ;)
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gRegorLove It flashed into a better font after a second tho
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gRegorLove I dig the space background, jalcine
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[Michael_Beckwit shoutout for the visual banding https://cloudup.com/coBTMViM0t4
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jalcine hm so many of the assets are broken :(
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jalcine kinda making me sad
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jalcine but I have this all in my VCS
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[Michael_Beckwit most of my pride seems to come from domain names for me, more than content
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[Michael_Beckwit michaelbox.net, trexthepirate.com, achooandthesneezes.com
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[Michael_Beckwit at one point i had cynicalchicken.net
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gRegorLove I really want to recover my 8-bit, Atari-ish theme files. The header was "Gregorlove 2600"
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jalcine ooh I like this layout the most thus far lol https://web.archive.org/web/20171116180222/https://jacky.wtf/
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jalcine wow this is going to be a time sink
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gRegorLove haha
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jalcine might be the first explicit mention of the IndieWeb on my site tbh
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jalcine wow lol me with braids https://web.archive.org/web/20180120095948/https://jacky.wtf//
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[chrisaldrich] After looking at sparklines, calendar heatmaps, and now archive.org UI I'm not sure which one I want most or if I want all three on my site...
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[chrisaldrich] cynicalchicken.net sounds like it would have had the most amazing /chicken posts
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[chrisaldrich] [[posting graph]] << http://web.archive.org/web/sitemap/https://www.boffosocko.com/
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Loqi ok, I added "http://web.archive.org/web/sitemap/https://www.boffosocko.com/" to the "See Also" section of /posting_graph https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=59412&oldid=59380
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[Michael_Beckwit or the most cynical ones
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[Michael_Beckwit 😄
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gRegorLove This looks interesting, for anyone around Boston: https://www.northeastern.edu/law/academics/institutes/clic/events/about-face/