#indieweb 2019-05-21

2019-05-21 UTC
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billbennettnz This may not be a big deal but I'm seeing incoming traffic looking for what I think are indieweb attributes getting 404 errors. One example of a target is /.well-known/nodeinfo is this because my indieweb plug-ins are set up wrong?
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billbennettnz also /api/statusnet/config
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billbennettnz Enquiries are coming from fediverse.network crawler which sounds indiewebish to me
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aaronpk Mastodon has stuff at that url and a bunch of other things assume anything that supports activitypub is mastodon and tries to poll that url to get stats about numbers of users and such
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Loqi aaronpk: petermolnar left you a message 18 hours, 54 minutes ago: do you ever get slightly bugos positions in your location tracking? If yes, do you get rid of them somehow? (Read: the min. accuracy of 50m allows a surprising range of errors while I'm staying at the very same spot in μlogger)
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aaronpk petermolnar: yes definitely, location tracking is super messy. When I draw lines from the data I usually toss points worse than 200m, and do some other smoothing
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chrisaldrich billbennettnz, if you set up https://wordpress.org/plugins/activitypub/ on your WordPress site, it could give those crawlers something to see. It's in development, but is reasonably stable in its current configuration.
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billbennettnz Thanks aaron, that's interesting that something in the Mastodon world thinks it's worth looking... I mean it's all wonderful content, ;-)
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billbennettnz I'll have a look at activity pub, I see it's from Matthias Pfefferle
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chrisaldrich You could also try the Bridgy Fed route, but it's a bit more involved.
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chrisaldrich What is Bridgy Fed?
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Loqi Bridgy Fed connects IndieWeb sites with federated social networks like Mastodon and HubZilla https://indieweb.org/Bridgy_Fed
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chrisaldrich pfefferle++
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Loqi pfefferle has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (30 in all channels)
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chrisaldrich snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (79 in all channels)
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snarfed billbennettnz: in general the internet is the wild west, you'll get requests for all sorts of random stuff, eg known vulnerable wordpress plugins. don't worry (or pay much attention) to random GET requests
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snarfed also https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/38
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Loqi [swentel] #38 Incoming requests from the fediverse once you're on it
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snarfed swentel++ ^ pretty comprehensive
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Loqi swentel has 7 karma in this channel over the last year (45 in all channels)
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petermolnar looking at the Utrecht schedule, I'm a bit sad I missed out on it :(
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[Rose] It was fun! Though sadly we had video issues in the second half of the room, so I need to debug that.
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petermolnar which vidconf system was in use, just for curiosity?
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[jeremycherfas] Were there problems beyond sound bleeding from one to the other?
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sknebel petermolnar: Zoom
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sknebel [jeremycherfas]: yes, the second room muted itself a few times, and sometimes connectivity was really bad
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[Rose] We had internet connections, and Zoom in the second room refused to ask for permission to access the microphone and camera
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[Rose] At least at the start of the day, once that was resolved it tried, but unfortunately I don't think the videos from those sessions worked. I need to watch them tonight to check.
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infominer[m] hello again
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[Rose] *internet connection issues
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[Rose] Hoi!
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[Rose] *Hi, sorry, spelling is hard 😉
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infominer[m] hoi it is
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infominer[m] i'm lost in a sea of links
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infominer[m] https://github.com/bmann/microglue/issues/5
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infominer[m] is what i'm working on right now
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infominer[m] more specifically
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infominer[m] ownyourgram
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infominer[m] >Could not find your Micropub endpoint!
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infominer[m] ><link rel="micropub" href="https://infominer.id/micropub">
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infominer[m] >Link: <https://infominer.id/micropub>; rel="micropub"
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infominer[m] the `Link: <https://infominer/micropub>; rel="micropub"`
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infominer[m] that specifically is what I"m confused about rn
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infominer[m] that goes right in the head?
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[Rose] Yes
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infominer[m] i never seen a line like that in html
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Zegnat The <link rel… is HTML
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Zegnat The Link: is HTTP
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Zegnat So that later line you would never have seen in HTML, servers send it before the HTML
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infominer[m] so I don't need to worry about that line?
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infominer[m] it seems I"m signed in w just the html
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infominer[m] resurrected my insta
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infominer[m] > Please check that you're handling the expected parameters and returning the "Location" header and try again.
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infominer[m] HTTP/1.1 405 Method Not Allowed
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Zegnat That sounds like an error coming from your micropub endpoint
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infominer[m] I gave the token repository access... but I can double check there
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infominer[m] using a fork-to-heroku of voxpelli/webpage-micropub-to-github
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infominer[m] yes.. it's something w the endpoint
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Zegnat I don’t know the specifics of that endpoint. You could try pinging voxpelli in the #indieweb-dev channel
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[frank] I don't see a micropub endpoint on your homepage anywhere in the code. You should add that one first
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[frank] Also no rel="me" for authentication
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infominer[m] yes.. but i'm testing it on https://infominer.id/indieweb
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infominer[m] got a bunch of that stuff in there
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[frank] Ah yes I see
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[frank] Do you redirect the heroku URL to your own infominer.id/micropub?
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infominer[m] hmmm
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infominer[m] no
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infominer[m] I was wondering about that, since I have nothing at that location
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infominer[m] idk how even
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[frank] Back when I used heroku on my jekyll site, I just used the Heroku URL I received
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infominer[m] right
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[frank] Something like https://<instance-name>.herokuapp.com/micropub/main
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infominer[m] I was just copying something from some instructions somewhere
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[frank] So it would become <link rel="micropub" href="https://<instance-name>.herokuapp.com/micropub/main"> in your <head>
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[frank] Yeah it took me quite a while to get it going as well
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infominer[m] lets see if this is right
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infominer[m] https://micropub-info.herokuapp.com/micropub/main
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infominer[m] so I'll try `<link rel="micropub" href="https://micropub-info.herokuapp.com/micropub/main">`
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[frank] Yeah
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[frank] You can try it with any micropub client, like Quill.p3k.io or micropublish.net
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[frank] If you already can login with your site through indieauth
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Zegnat Please take the conversation to the dev channel if you have a need for copying code :)
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infominer[m] thx I am in need
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infominer[m] I should prolly give up and rest.. but I'm so close I can taste it
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infominer[m] actually idk where the dev room is via the riot app
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Zegnat You should be able to access it the same way as this one, except go to #indieweb-dev instead of just #indieweb
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Zegnat what is discuss?
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Loqi Join the #indieweb discussions via the web, Slack, IRC, or Matrix interfaces now with additional channels for dev, wordpress, and meta specific chat! https://indieweb.org/discuss
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Zegnat Information there ^^^
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Loqi I agree
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Zegnat Hmm, maybe someone who uses Matrix can write up a little how to for the channels?
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Zegnat jgmac1106, did you ever document that?
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[jgmac1106] no, at a conference and grades due this week but I will try to match all the room names...I remember it taking me some guessing
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infominer[m] Not available on riot via indieweb-dev or #indieweb-dev
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Zegnat It should be. Riot should have a full Freenode bridge.
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Zegnat does not have a Riot/Matrix setup to test with
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infominer[m] this is my first time setting up a github personal access token \ creating a heroku app..
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infominer[m] i'm sure my issue is there...
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infominer[m] as far as indieweb-dev or #indieweb-dev I cannot find them on freenode via riot
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Zegnat should be #freenode_#indieweb-dev:matrix.org (https://riot.im/develop/#/room/#freenode_#indieweb-dev:matrix.org)
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Zegnat But I can’t confirm it myself. I use IRC
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infominer[m] https://infomicro.herokuapp.com/
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infominer[m] 😅
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doubleloop Is there an indieweb cooking club like there's an indieweb book club? I am going to try [Rose]'s creme fraiche pasta recipe :D
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[Rose] Is there a micropub format for recipes?
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[Rose] https://indieweb.org/h-recipe
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[Rose] Microformat markup rather
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[Rose] https://indieweb.org/recipe is interesting! I vote for a cooking club 😛
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sknebel Reminds me that I owe people a Käsespätzle recipe
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[jeremycherfas] I tried marking up recipes a couple of times. Too fiddle and no evidence of interest.
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doubleloop [jeremycherfas]: do you still post recipes (without markup)?
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Zegnat Wasn’t there an iOS app that was able to extract hRecipe?
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[eddie] I believe Paprika 3
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Zegnat That sounds familiar!
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snarfed hey Zegnat, out of curiosity, how does your search tool compare to https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/ ?
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Zegnat Completely different. Mine is a meta search engine. It actually lets every site do their own search, and then it combines the results.
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Zegnat So I do not have to do crawling or building indices
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Zegnat That is also why I could build it in half a day.
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Zegnat Stupid thing is, I knew meta searchengines were a thing. I have hosted searx. I know about MetaGer and a couple others. I just never thought to do one that does IndieWeb.
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Zegnat Until Djoerd presented the Searsia project and I wondered how hard it would be to just pull the results from indieweb sites
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doubleloop I also came across Gourmet (https://thinkle.github.io/gourmet/) which could be extended to have an h-recipe importer
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Zegnat snarfed, does that answer your question? :) I can go into more detail, but probably move to -chat or -dev at that point
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snarfed ahhh interesting ok. remind me of the link? i haven't actually tried it yet
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Zegnat It is not currently online. It was only demoed as PoC during demos on Sunday
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snarfed ok!
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Zegnat I can see about putting it up at some sneaky URL tonight
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snarfed meta search engines make sense across maybe up to a few dozen base sites, but when you're looking at hundreds to thousands, it's going to be pretty awkward. so scaling seems unlikely
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snarfed still, interesting!
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Zegnat Yeah, there are some ways to do scaling. Searsia I think randomly goes and fires off popular previous searches when it isn’t doing other things.
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[jeremycherfas] !tell doubleloop I do, but mostly bread.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat But this is also why you may have seen me say it does not get to have a name or exist as a project, snarfed ;) Because I know I could spent every free minute of the rest of the year on this, hahaha
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Loqi Zegnat: lol
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Zegnat [Access denied]
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Bridging the IndieWeb and the Fediverse, part 3 – WordPress ActivityPub plugin" https://doubleloop.net/2019/05/21/bridging-indieweb-fediverse-part-3-wordpress-activitypub-plugin/
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[tantek] looks like I got Dens's attention re: 4sq deletion btw. stay tuned
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aaronpk nice
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[schmarty] tantek: best of luck getting your 4sq/swarm account re-instated!
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[schmarty] i have been using perkeep to backup my checkins from there since before i started ownyourswarm-ing.
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[schmarty] i have been wondering what other options there are for backups / dumps from 4sq.
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[tantek] they used to provide an ICS "feed" of all your checkins (for all time) but I think that stopped working a little while ago
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[schmarty] there was a blog post about that recently IIRC
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[schmarty] oh! maybe they still exist: https://foursquare.com/feeds/
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[schmarty] oh, haha, i signed in and see my links but also this message: "Please note: The Check-in Feeds functionality has existed for a while now, and we've gone through lots of changes over the years. These unique URLs may or may not still work for you and, unfortunately, we no longer provide support for this feature. YMMV!"
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[schmarty] which is what i recalled reading earlier. now i gotta figure out where i read it!
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[tantek] interesting. maybe something worth documenting on /Foursquare
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[tantek] "How to export" etc.
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Zegnat [schmarty], I remember reading the same thing, so pretty sure it was in one of the indieweb channels
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[schmarty] it's linked on /Foursquare in See Also. maybe a little confusingly named. https://www.gyford.com/phil/writing/2019/05/13/foursquare-swarm-ical-feed/
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jbove Hi. Anyone if there is a tutorial or post somewhere that explains how I could get my Knowns CMS notifications as a feed in the "Notifications" Aperture.p3k.io channel??
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jbove When I add this [URL](https://social.johanbove.info/account/notifications), I get the message that "No feeds were found at the given URL".
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aaronpk hmm known requires login for that URL to work
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jbove Yep, that's the issue :-)
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jbove aaronpk: not sure how I can use the API key in Aperture to authenticate with Known
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aaronpk the api key thing is unique to aperture and we haven't really made an attempt to adopt that in other software yet, so i don't think there's an easy way to do that right now
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aaronpk sounds like a good discussion topic for the next indiewebcamp tho :)
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jbove I guess I should check the source of those notifications first: Known. I decided only recently to join the Indieweb and picked up Known. It works great so far, although had some hiccups to resolve. Much thanks to Marcus Povey of course.
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jbove He's basically keeping the Known cms single-handedly up. I wish I had more PHP skills to help out. I can read the code and find my way around, as a front-end dev, but there are times when one needs to acknowledge their own limitations.
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jbove aaronpk: While you're here: Thanks for everything you do for the IndieWeb! When you and Tantek were in Düsseldorf I wanted to bring over some Belgian beers as a small token of gratitude (and chocolate in case you don't drink); but due to family priorities I didn't.
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aaronpk aw thanks!
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jbove I owe you that much ;-)
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[tantek] Welcome [Melanie_Richards]!
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Loqi jbove has 2 karma over the last year
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[tantek] jbove++ mmmm chocolate 😋 it's the thought that counts
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Hyro Hello everyone! I can't log into indieweb.org, is there a particular reason? I use IndieAuth with Github and it works on Aperture and Monocle
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[Melanie_Richard hey Tantek! (and friends)
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KartikPrabhu Hyro: does it show anyparticular error?
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[ldavid_ensiie] In fact, i found two log in, one at the upper right that use indieAuth and do nothing when i click on githubAuth, just redirect me to indieweb.org, and i found another one with login and password, and it seems i can't sign up
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gRegorLove What's your domain?
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KartikPrabhu indieweb.org should not have a login and password (I think)!!
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[ldavid_ensiie] https://hyrovitalyprotago.github.io
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[tantek] Hyro, that's a subdomain. Do you own a domain name yourself?
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[tantek] Also where did you find the one with login and password?
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KartikPrabhu [ldavid_ensiie]: I used that and tried to login, of course it failed since it sent me to my github
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[ldavid_ensiie] I don't have a domain for now. To find the one with login and password, go to indieweb.org, the last link "upload file", then click on log in on the page
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KartikPrabhu ^ that needs to be fixed :P