#indieweb 2019-07-03

2019-07-03 UTC
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jacky .
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lza1 l
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lza1 hi
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lza1 I have a question about webmentions, hoping someone can answer....
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lza1 the nature of it seems to be only a one-time notification/update - is it on the operator of a site with webmentions to store the webmentions persistently?
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lza1 and if you lose the data/database/however you're storing it you're SOL?
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[aaronpk] Yes that sounds accurate... how else would it work?
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[aaronpk] I suppose if there was some global search engine that you could search for links to your site then you could re-send them if you wanted. Too bad google doesn't really work like that anymore
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lza1 lol
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lza1 I suppose it's obvious but I wanted to be certain. I'm trying to get a handle on all of this.
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lza1 I want to run my own services and not rely on third party, but having a hard time conceptualizing all the pieces
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[KevinMarks] If you use mention.tech to send them it keeps a copy
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lza1 roger that - thanks
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[KevinMarks] I have an endpoint to query for inbound links, but I could add one for outbound that you have sent too I suppose
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[KevinMarks] Facebook << https://www.futurebook.co/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.futurebook.co/" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63225&oldid=61640
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[grantcodes] Interesting take on microblogging with WordPress https://wptavern.com/msgwp-to-launch-plugin-enabling-wordpress-microblogging-with-telegram
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[grantcodes] Also a mention of micro.blog
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[grantcodes] And also that workflow is already available with IndieWeb tools 🙂 Although probably not as polished
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mapkyca Bore da Indieweb - dumb question, forgive me if it's obvious, it there a place where we can look videos of the sessions at the summit?
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[grantcodes] mapkyca - there definitely will be. I am not sure they are up yet though
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mapkyca Yeah, they don't appear to be linked to from the events page (which I assume is where they'll be). I'll keep waiting, thanks!
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[grantcodes] Yeah, they will be linked from the summit page for sure.
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[jgmac1106] morning all
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David1 For bitcoin investment tips check http://mikecryptoacademy.com
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cweiske !spammer David1
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cweiske !spam David1
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cweiske !block David1
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Loqi Okay, I blocked "David1" from all IndieWeb Twitter searches
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cweiske !kick David1
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Loqi David1 joined 5 minutes ago and can no longer be kicked this way
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[KevinMarks] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/02/europe-band-together-rival-facebook
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[benatwork] STRONG FEELINGS ON THAT ONE
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[jgmac1106] looking forward to reading the post
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[jgmac1106] still think it has to begin with micro efforts at the local news, one new silo to replace the old one just leads to some pigs being more equal than others
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[jgmac1106] like I would love if my local newspaper (a tiny for profit just relaunched and making money) offered some kind of hosting to subscribers or businesses, its the facebook marketplace page that matters for revenue....forget trying to sustain oneself on CPM..fool's gold
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[jgmac1106] scratch that you can sell fool's gold in nick knack shops, less than fool's gold
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[Rose] I find that interesting, in my circle of friends a bunch of us don't actually check the news - there's too much negativity and if something is really important we'll find out another way anyway.
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[Rose] So for us we wouldn't even know about that as a platform.
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[jgmac1106] yeah I always feel like by the time you see the news you already know the new
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[jgmac1106] and this comment "Innovation is rarely driven by big committees at big organizations."
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[jgmac1106] I want each paper to be its own space, think there is space in cities for co-op owned and I think newspapers with targeted coupon newsletters could sell off subscribers a bit of space on their networks, possibly as an additional upcharge, if classified revenue (atleast in US) is not crawled back nothing matters
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[tonz] What @h0d3r describes is what PublicSpace in the Netherlands is trying to do (initiated by public broadcasting org, and a range of civil society orgs) https://publicspaces.net/manifesto/
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[tonz] They haven’t gotten far yet I believe.
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[jgmac1106] I live in a tiny town of privilege but people are fiercely loyal to local businesses that support local charity and businesses, something to be tapped here, but would require bringing youth sports, arts, and local biz to table...and money to pour into cities where this much disposable income doesn't exist
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[jgmac1106] but yeah I have always wanted to a version of #checkoutmydomain but with the local journalism students or high school studetns #ReportFromMyDomain, the idea would be newpapers would provide a hosting platform for subscribers and cultivate much richer sales relationships between advertisers and customers that way
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[KevinMarks] it's SPOF actually failing week: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/07/03/facebook-and-instagram-down-apps-keep-crashing-and-being-buggy/1638162001/
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[KevinMarks] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48855823
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[tantek] !tell petermolnar re: Instagram export and bookmarks, have you tried making a GDPR request of Instagram? Would be worth documenting the result (response time, contents sent to you) and in particular if there was anything missing (like bookmarks).
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] wow this outage thing is kinda nuts
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[tantek] Instagram << 2019-07-03 Outage: https://twitter.com/scottishstoater/status/1146522153644433414
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@scottishstoater Suppose this is what I get for using Instagram to pull in a photo feed to my personal site 🙄. #ownyourowndata #indieweb https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-lDq4uWwAELSxy.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1146522153644433414)
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Loqi ok, I added "2019-07-03 Outage: https://twitter.com/scottishstoater/status/1146522153644433414" to the "See Also" section of /Instagram https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63238&oldid=61549
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[tantek] Instagram << ^^^ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-lDq4uWwAELSxy.jpg
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Loqi ok, I added "^^^ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-lDq4uWwAELSxy.jpg" to the "See Also" section of /Instagram https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=63239&oldid=63238
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jacky I wonder how many people are losing out on sales because of it
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jacky apparently ads are still serving
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[Vanessa] Yeah, I noticed that post photos don’t load but the ad ones do. Funny that...
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