#indieweb 2019-09-09

2019-09-09 UTC
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[tantek] Is Swarm / Foursquare down for anyone else?
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gRegorLove yeah https://status.foursquare.com
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jacky petitions to add that status page's RSS feed to #-dev
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jacky as it's important to us lol
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[tantek] Foursquare << 2019-09-08 Outage: http://web.archive.org/web/20190909065234/https://status.foursquare.com/
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Loqi ok, I added "2019-09-08 Outage: http://web.archive.org/web/20190909065234/https://status.foursquare.com/" to the "See Also" section of /Foursquare https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=64861&oldid=61565
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jamietanna[m] Yesterday's goal was met - get my git history ready to be shared with the world for my Micropub endpoint (which I forgot to then share publicly - task for later)
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jamietanna[m] And also started work on webmention sending from my site, thanks to mention.tech 🙌🏼
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jacky jamietanna[m]++
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Loqi jamietanna[m] has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (8 in all channels)
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beko[m] Discovered http://fetchrss.com that is able to parse public FB pages to RSS (without access_token). It comes with a plan (or injects ads) but yeah that's basically exactly what I need for my Microsub to just stay in the loop with my handful of pages that only post on FB and don't syndicate elsewhere.
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beko[m] I wonder… do others exist that solved this?
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ShokuninDiscord[ Interesting
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ShokuninDiscord[ Not that I know
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ShokuninDiscord[ I would have used IFTTT and forwarded to email
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ShokuninDiscord[ But this is more elegant
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beko[m] FB mails don't reach me a lot. They tend to end up on blacklists for violating best practises. I've my own mailserver going so I'm not with the big 5. Not going to soften this up for FB since it keeps a shiton of spammers out.
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beko[m] Interesting. Will keep IFTTT on my radar.
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beko[m] fetchrss also has an element picker alowing to add any website with some sort of structure to the feed. Neat neat. Granary is probably similar but definetly not that userfriendly 🙂
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beko[m] Here is a similar one specialized in Instagram (and Twitter) https://queryfeed.net/
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beko[m] Requires a payed subscription tho. Scraping is resource-consuming https://queryfeed.net/pages/instagram-paid/
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[grantcodes] what is instagram atom
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "instagram atom" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "instagram atom is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[grantcodes] https://instagram-atom.appspot.com/ is the more indieweb friendly alternative - but it does require using developer tools to get a instagram cookie
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beko[m] Dunno… it's FB right? So that requires probably a creditcard or phonenumber.
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[grantcodes] Don't think it needs any of that
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beko[m] When I was going to sign up for Graph on FB it was required.
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[grantcodes] hmm maybe they tightened direct api access, but you don't need that if you use those other tools
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beko[m] That's the idea. I avoided providing any of both to FB for years. Not going to add it now that I part with this 🙂
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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ShokuninDiscord[ It's 3:35AM
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ShokuninDiscord[ Good night!
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Loqi night night
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jeremycherfas Good night.
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vika_nezrimaya Hm. Assume I'm checking in @ McDonald's or Burger King or KFC or something similar. Can I make one h-card with several geo objects or should I make every single fast food venue from the same chain I'm going to a separate h-card?
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Zegnat I feel like they should be separate by virtue of the check-ins being in separate physical locations?
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vika_nezrimaya But technically they're still being McDonalds
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vika_nezrimaya or KFC
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vika_nezrimaya or whatever
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vika_nezrimaya we don't have Wendy's or Chick-Fil-A in Russia
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vika_nezrimaya (lol Chick-fil-A should totally consider expanding in Russia with its conservative political stance - are my memories of them being zealously religious and conservative correct?)
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Zegnat For sure. But in the specific context of checking in, surely you are checking in to a specific venue? Just so happens to be a venue of a big chain. (The local venue may or may not be a locally operated franchise even, hard to know.)
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vika_nezrimaya Zegnat: a counter-argument could be that on the internet they all are represented by the same website
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Zegnat I think if you want to have an h-card somewhere, that you tag/refer to from posts, it totally make sense to have one with multiple locations.
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Zegnat Just in the context of a check-in is when I do not see a value in that.
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Zegnat You didn’t check-in to McDonald’s Global HQ, you checked in to a specific venue.
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vika_nezrimaya lol sounds reasonable :3
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vika_nezrimaya In check-ins I'm currently using URL+embedded h-card markup
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vika_nezrimaya A small h-card with p-name, u-url (referring to a bigger h-card) and h-geo
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Zegnat Theoretically (though this is probably not going to be consumed anywhere), I guess you could have a page that is h-card for McD global. And then make every p-location an embedded h-card rather than just h-geo.
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Loqi vika_nezrimaya, Zegnat: it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev
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Zegnat Woops, didn’t realidse we were in the main channel!
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vika_nezrimaya seriously? loqi can detect techy talks like this?
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vika_nezrimaya wow
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Zegnat Once we start talking specific tags, yes ;)
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Zegnat Moved my weird idea into #indieweb-dev, thanks for the reminder Loqi!
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Zegnat gives Loqi a cookie
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Loqi gives back the cookie
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Zegnat :o
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Zegnat Avabrooks: cool! Are any of those themes compatible with any IndieWeb building blocks? :)
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[jgmac1106] Yeah I think there is a hug3 business opportunity for a theme store that has IndieWeb compatible themes
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[snarfed] beko grantcodes: facebook-atom and instagram-atom both scrape, so they don't need or use API keys/tokens
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[snarfed] also FB *pages* are public, you can fetch them without a login session cookie, which is (i expect) how http://fetchrss.com/ gets them
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[snarfed] user profile pages, however, are not publicly fetchable
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[snarfed] facebook-atom is different (and imho more useful) in that it gets your *news feed*, not just single public pages, which usually aren't people you care about anyway
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[snarfed] queryfeed.net looks nice too, but similar drawback: it only generates feeds for individual accounts and searches, not your full feed (ie everyone you follow)
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[snarfed] honestly if i found other services that generated RSS for your full FB/IG/Twitter news feeds, i'd *love* to switch to them and decommission *-atom entirely. i just still haven't seen any yet. 😐
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[snarfed] skimming https://queryfeed.net/pages/ (their blog) is amusing. Instagram has blocked geo-pages, Deprecation of Google Plus and Facebook feeds, Instagram outage, Troubles with Instagram, again, Instagram feeds work, Troubles with Instagram feeds
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[snarfed] yuuuup
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beko[m] [snarfed]: I did explicitly look for a FB page feed that does not require a token. I did not get this to work with yours. I'm not interested in an FB account whatsoever at all [as long as syndication and backfeeds are gone]. Just don't want to miss out on a handful of pages.
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beko[m] Your tool is great as well and I started using it.
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[snarfed] great! sounds like your use case is not one that facebook-atom or granary really handle. which is ok!
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beko[m] It's just that particular scene is basically hiding inside FB. I'd be out of the loop in no time 😕 It's a shame but that's how it is. No, nothing kinky 😉
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[KevinMarks] Good news for brid.gy etc https://twitter.com/OrinKerr/status/1171116153948626944?s=20
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@OrinKerr BIG NEWS: 9th Circuit holds that scraping a public website likely does not violate the CFAA, even after website owner prohibits with a cease-and-desist letter; language strongly suggests CFAA only applies to bypassing authentication. Blog post up soon. http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2019/09/09/17-16783.pdf #N https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EECj7yCU0AENsJh.png (twitter.com/_/status/1171116153948626944)
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[snarfed] KevinMarks++
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Loqi KevinMarks has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (40 in all channels)