#indieweb 2019-09-19

2019-09-19 UTC
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GWG mblaney: How is the stand doing?
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mblaney hey GWG, the stand?
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GWG mblaney: From IWS
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GWG Also, the issue of updating SimplePie in WordPress was just given some attention
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mblaney oh right! I'm sorry to say I haven't used it yet... but will be glad to have it when I need it :-)
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mblaney cool I'm subscribed to the ticket feed but didn't see the last few comments (including yours)
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mblaney I think the previous comment is fair enough, I haven't written tests to cover my mf2 changes :-/
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GWG mblaney: I doubt they will incorporate php-mf2 anyway
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jamietanna[m] Morning IndieWeb!
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[Lewis_Cowles] Morning
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[Lewis_Cowles] The meme above, here's it's direct media URL https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/EEH1gogU0AIQyOt.mp4
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Loqi good morning
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[Lewis_Cowles] as a non-twitter user they don't play the video's, also they have a lot of JS
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aaronpk iOS PWAs have a ways to go heh. I got stuck being unable to close that video
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[Lewis_Cowles] the mp4 or the twitter direct one?
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aaronpk the mp4
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aaronpk still a few bugs with stuff around PWAs
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[Lewis_Cowles] I apologize, it should have no modal, it's a direct file. Interesting thing to learn about though
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aaronpk Well iOS turns it into a modal effectively
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[Lewis_Cowles] shakes fist at apple. Get off my lawn kids 😉
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[jgmac1106] this is cool: https://monitor.firefox.com/scan
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beko[m] Huge fan of https://haveibeenpwned.com/ for this [jgmac1106] - it let's you subscribe with domains (via e.g. postmaster accounts) and lets you know about any compromised mail account on it. It's run by Troy Hunt so it has quite a name on it.
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jgmac1106 yeah the data is all from https://haveibeenpwned.com/
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beko[m] He is looking for a new provider of this tho. It's kinda huge nowadays
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[chrisbergr] Hi IndieWeb 🙂 I have a question about the concept of replies.
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[chrisbergr] If I post a reply to another post that is also a reply itself,.. Wouldn't it make sense to webmention both sites instead of the direct post I'm replying to?
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[chrisbergr] I see that I write really confused 😄 Here is an example: http://ari.culties.com/reply/109/
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[chrisbergr] This way I can create conversations like in the social networks (Twitter..)
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beko[m] Wondering about the same atm. I remember some wiki page about threaded replies but I don't know where exactly that was
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[chrisbergr] I haven't seen anybody from the indieweb community doing this. But it feels like it should be the default case for replies
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beko[m] https://indieweb.org/reply-chain
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beko[m] found it
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[chrisbergr] That's a good read, tanks. It works a bit different. In my demo I do the mf2 discover stuff and send a webmention, if the target has a reply-to declaration I repeat the whole process,.. and so on. And for me the important thing is to also display both (or more) posts on top of my.
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[chrisbergr] Almost the same demo with wordpress, but only one reply-to on top. I think the context is missing. https://christian.hockenberger.us/test/561/
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[grantcodes] what is salmention?
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Loqi Salmention is a protocol extension to Webmention to propagate comments and other interactions upstream by sending a webmention from a response to the original post when the response itself receives a response (comment, like, etc.) https://indieweb.org/Salmention
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[chrisbergr] Thanks, that's new to me. Will read about it 🙂
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cambridgeport90[ Something else to add in there. Notifications should definitely change reply status.
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[jgmac1106] I can kinda do this in Known with Bridgy in a way but I must reply to my syndicated tweet and not to my canonical url...more hacky than an actual plan
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[chrisbergr] Wired. But if you know the workflow you can do it
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cambridgeport90[ I noticed that it shows up using a custom Twitter app, though. I have one, but I can’t figure out how to use it for this. Not without sacrificing this functionality, anyway.
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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sebsel good morning IndieWeb :)
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beko[m] good afternoon IndieWeb :)
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lucacavallaro[m] Hi!
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[jgmac1106] good morning
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Loqi *yawn* ... /stretch/
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[snarfed] [jgmac1106] [chrisbergr] re twitter replies, bridgy handles u-in-reply-to your own canonical url fine if it has a u-syndication link to the tweet. https://brid.gy/about#reply
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[manton] Interesting comment from Matt Mullenweg in the Techcrunch interview today. "I think there’s potential to get to a similar market share as Android, which I believe now has 85% of all handsets."
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[manton] Thinking about it in the context of the IndieWeb's "plurality" principle.
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ShokuninDiscord[ Is this about the Linux phones?
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[Lewis_Cowles] well at least the content side
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[Lewis_Cowles] I think it’s about Mullenweg goal to take over the internet
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[manton] Yeah, growing WordPress's 34% of web sites. Another quote: "What we want to do is to become the operating system for the open web. We want every website, whether it’s e-commerce or anything to be powered by WordPress. And by doing so, we’ll make sure that the web can go back to being more open, more integrated and more user-centric than it would be if proprietary platforms become dominant."
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[snarfed] yeah open source, interoperability, and plurality are all nice, and related, but definitely not the same
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[Lewis_Cowles] I’m not sure any of the apps people champion running WP are helped rather than hindered by it. Woocommerce is better than home rolled and avoids the Magento syndrome, but for example investing 30k of time into a WP + WC nets much less returns even within the same company than a BigCommerce.
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[Lewis_Cowles] You have to manage servers, updates, feature development on top of running your business it’s kryptonite for the web
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[Lewis_Cowles] I honestly hope we see a resurgence of static web, with API’s for things like e-com
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Loqi hey [manton], [Lewis_Cowles]: we try to keep jargon out of this channel to make it more inviting to newcomers, can you move this to #indieweb-dev?
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[snarfed] not quite Loqi
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[snarfed] most wordpress users aren't administering a full server. they're on a shared hosting plan, or a managed service like wp.com or wpengine, etc.
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[snarfed] some are, but not most
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[Lewis_Cowles] jargon 😂
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[snarfed] "is wordpress good" is an age old debate that we won't settle here. fwiw though, numbers wise, it's one of the most popular indieweb CMSes. was second behind known a while ago, https://indiemap.org/docs.html#graph-servers , and may have overtaken it since then
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[snarfed] the massive ecosystem is a huge plus. not many others have that. maybe drupal, not sure if anything else is comparable
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[manton] To be clear, I have nothing against WordPress. I just hope they leave a few % of the web for the rest of us. 🙂
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[snarfed] oh definitely! we obviously want plurality. and we also definitely recommend micro.blog over wordpress for newbies 😁 https://indieweb.org/web_hosting#Custom_domain_silos
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[manton] Thanks! 🙂
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[manton] Oh, I hadn't seen that page recently. That's great.
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[jgmac1106] We need to integrate some of that page into /Getting-Started
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jacky another webring in the wild
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jacky https://twitter.com/notwaldorf/status/1174750071201517569
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@notwaldorf Webrings and friends and people having things in common. @jllord and I missed it so much that we tried to rebuild it! Introducing… ✨GeoGlitchies!!!✨ Here’s the template you can clone for your geoglitchy: https://geoglitchies.glitch.me JOIN MY 💍 WEBRING!!! https://glitch.com/@notwaldorf/frands https://twitter.com/glitch/status/1174704609090297857 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE2M9jaU8AEDijk.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1174750071201517569)
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[tantek] Monica is great
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[tantek] Her blog is full of brilliant gems. Highly recommended
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[tantek] Speaking of software upgrades and iOS (separately, above), THIS: https://twitter.com/chanceyfleet/status/1174721010404343808
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@ChanceyFleet Each year, Blind people who upgrade to the new version of iOS face severe accessibility bugs. Those of us who know to be cautious check this thorough, reliably accounting before we decide whether the update is worth our annual double-dose of friction  https://www.applevis.com/blog/accessibility-bugs-introduced-and-resolved-ios-13-blind-and-low-vision-users (twitter.com/_/status/1174721010404343808)
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[tantek] Upgrades = ux friction is one of the best summaries I have seen to why it’s worth avoiding major (x.x) upgrades unless you have a specific use case for it
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[tantek] Your time is not worth the upgrade “habit” / reflex
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