#indieweb 2019-10-03

2019-10-03 UTC
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rrix waves, checking in from HWC Seattle
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[tantek] Two of us here at HWC SF
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[tantek] We're discussing static sites and minimal tooling for that
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[tantek] and not using a database and instead using static file storage
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[tantek] what is static file storage
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "static file storage" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "static file storage is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is file storage
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Loqi File Storage is the practice of storing main (primary) site content in flat files in a filesystem https://indieweb.org/file-storage
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[tantek] static file storage is /file-storage
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] catching up about IWC Amsterdam and Offline Camp last weekend that Matt went to
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Matt1 Howdy y'all
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[tantek] welcome Matt1!
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[tantek] mentioned interesting minimal site timswast.com
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Matt1 Mine is over at matthq.com
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[tantek] hmm why isn't Loqi showing the h-card p-name?
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[tantek] ^^^ uses web components to serve content header instead of classical server-side templating
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Matt1 Here's the web component, super simple: https://www.matthq.com/js/header.js
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Matt1 And my post about it: https://www.matthq.com/notes/components.html
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[tantek] what is a web component
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "web component" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "web component is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what are web components
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "web components" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "web components is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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rrix I think it was just me at the HWC Seattle tonight, I've been working on a set of blog posts about my work in/adjacent to indieweb stuff and it's starting to come together
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[tantek] we're doing Lighthouse analysis of our sites and finding some surprises in the results
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[tantek] https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url
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[tantek] what is Lighthouse
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Lighthouse" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Lighthouse is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is PageSpeed Insights
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PageSpeed Insights" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "PageSpeed Insights is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is Google PageSpeed Insights
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google PageSpeed Insights" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Google PageSpeed Insights is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Google PageSpeed Insights is a web-based page analysis tool run by [[Google]] that loads a page, its necessary resources, analyzes its performance and other factors and provides a score (based on [[Google Lighthouse]] performance).
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] PageSpeed Insights is /Google_PageSpeed_Insights
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Loqi ok
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rrix pagespeed has a ball with the fact that I don't re-encode my images before uploading them to my site
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rrix yikes
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[tantek] so I just took my simple note pagespeed rating (Lighthouse I think) from 98 to 100, e.g. this page https://tantek.com/2019/274/t1/standards-more-open
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] #ViewSource @jorydotcom question for #standards panelists: What is one way your standards group is more “open” (access, cost, license, patents, D&I etc.) than another standards org (e.g. pick one that Jory mentioned yesterday)?
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[tantek] or rather: https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F2019%2F274%2Ft1%2Fstandards-more-open
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[tantek] in comparison, the POSSE tweet: https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Ft%2Fstatus%2F1178977027950399488
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[tantek] only gets 44!
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[tantek] we're about to wrap up here in SF. we did some improvements to our personal sites
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[tantek] e.g. see above Lighthouse perf score improvement
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GWG Morning
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Loqi rise and shine!
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[schmarty] 👋
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GWG [schmarty]: I am excited for the weekend
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[schmarty] Same!
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aaronpk I'm excited for NYC even if I can't be there!
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[snarfed] interesting bridgy feature request: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/889
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[snarfed] short answer is probably that moderation is best done in people's sites, not in services like bridgy. one caveat is that bridgy obeys silo block lists, at least twitter's, so alternatively he could block the users there.
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aaronpk hmm yeah, that's tricky. I agree that ideally it should be done on ppls' websites, but I think most tools don't currently have very good support for that, other than maybe wordpress+akismet.
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aaronpk I did build a rudimentary block feature into webmention.io, which is kind of but not quite the same idea
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[snarfed] hmm ok. looks like he's on jekyll
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aaronpk I think the webmention.io block feature might only work on specific URLs or whole domains, so wouldn't work in this case
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[snarfed] yeah the not-great-support point is well taken. that may still be an argument _for_ pushing on sites themselves, though, since if we add it to services, it reduces the pressure to add it to sites where it belongs
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aaronpk heh true
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[snarfed] (that pressure point is a bit subtle, but applies broadly, at least sometimes, to not adding workarounds/hacks in order to keep pain points around and motivate doing it the "right" way)
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aaronpk that's the same reason I limit hosted Aperture accounts to 7 days of history
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[snarfed] aaronpk++ incentives matter
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Loqi aaronpk has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (186 in all channels)
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aaronpk i'm trying to find the right balance on that same point for indielogin.com right now too
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[snarfed] baggage, whee
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aaronpk trying to avoid creating new baggage on indielogin.com like the kind indieauth.com has
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beko[m] Interesting. Didn't know that Bridgy does obey twitter block list this at all. Impressive!
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beko[m] ah well, read it wrong. would be awesome anyway.
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[snarfed] beko: ? bridgy does obey twitter block lists. https://brid.gy/about#block+list
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beko[m] That's it. More coffee for me.
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[snarfed] aaronpk is wm.io's blocking documented anywhere? i don't see it on https://webmention.io/ or https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io#webmentionio
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Evert[m] i opened that blocking ticket =)
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Evert[m] took me forever to connect here using matrix :P
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[snarfed] welcome evert!
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beko[m] There's also IRC and a Discord bridge if you prefer this.
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Evert[m] nah i wanted matrix to work. I'm running my own server but had to upgrade my amazon t2.micro to t2.medium =)
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Evert[m] too many people in this room to fit in memory haha
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[snarfed] wow that is some serious dedication to self hosting and sysadmin tax
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beko[m] 😂
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aaronpk [snarfed]: hm no I think I didn't update the docs when I added the feature
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Evert[m] yea i wanted to support the idea of federation =) it's a hobby
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWebCamp Amsterdam 2019" https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/10/03/indiewebcamp-amsterdam-2019/
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Loqi jamietanna[m] has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (11 in all channels)
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aaronpk jamietanna[m]++ amazing writeup!
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jamietanna[m] Thanks 🙌🏼 amazing weekend 😁 I'll add it to the wiki shortly
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Evert[m] i wonder if this is interesting to this group:
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Evert[m] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pot-authentication-link
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aaronpk Evert[m]: definitely would be more appropriate for the #indieweb-dev channel if so!
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Evert[m] alright ill join that!
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jbove Hi to all *Discord[* people in here! How is the integration with the Indieweb IRC channels set up?
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sknebel I think it's a bridge Discord<->matrix and I think ShokuninDiscord[ knows more
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ShokuninDiscord[ Hey
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ShokuninDiscord[ So irc <-> Matrix is actually setup via matrix
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ShokuninDiscord[ That wasn’t us
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ShokuninDiscord[ Pretty sure Tantek did that
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ShokuninDiscord[ For Matrix <-> Discord (and therefore IRC), we added a bridge
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[schmarty] IRC <-> Matrix is maintained by matrix.org as a general freenode bridge.
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[snarfed] feel free to add to https://indieweb.org/discuss if it's not already there
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[snarfed] (ie setup details)
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jjuran https://lobste.rs/s/0c6zzp
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jjuran That's "IndieWebCamp Amsterdam 2019" on Lobsters
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jjuran If you're interested in commenting on Lobsters, I can provide an invite
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Evert[m] interested!
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jjuran Evert[m]: ok, PM me an email address
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jbove Cool. Thanks for the info and pointers to matrix and riot.im. The sheer number of integrations with the all IndieWeb IRC channels is amazing work.
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jjuran What is Lobsters?
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Loqi Lobsters is an open source, technology-focused link-aggregation site similar to Hacker News https://indieweb.org/Lobsters
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