#indieweb 2019-11-26

2019-11-26 UTC
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cambridgeport90[ I have a quick question. I am redoing my site here in a bit (moving from a shared hosting environment to a Dell PowerEdge server I own if anyone is interested) and I want to do a page that has all of my social media streams on it. Currently I have my toots on Mastodon mirrored as tweets. Which is the most acceptable method of doing this? Should I put my Twitter or my fediverse account as the feed? Or should I
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cambridgeport90[ completely unlink them and go back to separate identities? Considering it isn't really working out the way I want anyway?
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[jgmac1106] I would use the notes on your website that become your toots and tweets, I had to unlink because you lose all reply contexts
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cambridgeport90[ Is there a good way to do that, though? Or should I just quit posting to silos first to begin with? My Mastodon identity that's separate from my site was created prior to learning about direct federation.
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cambridgeport90[ Then I have stubborn people who won't consider swapping even from a silo to the fediverse. Never mind the IndieWeb.
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[jgmac1106] I have been going through micro.blog, but Mastodon kinda hard to do from own site withoiut webmentions IMO...plus I just mix up replies...gets messy quick
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chrisaldrich What is silo quit?
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Loqi silo quits are public statements by individuals announcing they have publicly quit posting on or using (at all) various silos with intended permanence. Compare with temporary or soft quits which are sometimes referred to as taking a "social media break" https://indieweb.org/silo-quit
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chrisaldrich silo-quit << https://jeremyfelt.com/2019/11/25/the-escape-from-instagram/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://jeremyfelt.com/2019/11/25/the-escape-from-instagram/" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=66695&oldid=66452
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chrisaldrich cambridgport90[ the most "acceptable" way is really dependent on what you want to accomplish and your ability to execute on it.
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chrisaldrich I find trying to have and manage as few different "identities" on the web works best for me.
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chrisaldrich For Mastodon and the fediverse with WordPress you might try @pfefferle's https://wordpress.org/plugins/activitypub/ though you can also look at bridgyfed or even POSSE to mastodon and backfeed via Brid.gy which now supports Mastodon.
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Loqi [Matthias Pfefferle] Description This is BETA software, see the FAQ to see the current feature set or rather what is still planned. The plugin implements the ActivityPub protocol for your blog. Your readers will be able to follow your blogposts on Mastodon and other fed...
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chrisaldrich There are obviously many ways to go and probably some that no one has thought up yet.
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chrisaldrich What is bridgyfed?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "bridgyfed" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "bridgyfed is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich What is Bridgy Fed?
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Loqi Bridgy Fed connects IndieWeb sites with federated social networks like Mastodon and HubZilla https://indieweb.org/Bridgy_Fed
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sebsel !tell cambridgeport90[ have you looked into POSSE? That's how most of us solve that problem: no need to quit silos, best of both. Doing POSSE can be a bit more work, but worth it IMO. https://indieweb.org/POSSE
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Some shopping cart comparisons" https://beesbuzz.biz/articles/1938-Some-shopping-cart-comparisons
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jbove bridgyfed is Bridgy Fed
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jbove I think Loqi doesn't trust this handle
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[grantcodes] You might need to ask loqi first?
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[grantcodes] What is bridgyfed?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "bridgyfed" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "bridgyfed is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[grantcodes] try now jbove 🙂
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mblaney nice site redesign fluffy
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[fluffy] @mblaney no redesign, that article was just in my article section instead of my blog :)
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[fluffy] Different site sections have different layouts
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cambridgeport90[ I need to fix that sort of thing on my rebuild once I do it.
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[jgmac1106] morning
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Loqi morning!
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GWG Morning
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[contact091] Morning!
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cambridgeport90[ Tuesday before Thanksgiving, here in the US, at least.
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mblaney ah I must've never clicked through from your blog :-)
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[bradenslen] Good Morning Indieweb
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[davidmead] Morning all
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[davidmead] Going to be dipping my toe back in and trying an SSG to run my blog. I may have questions :-)
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[xavierroy] [davidmead] Which SSG is it going to be?
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[davidmead] [xavierroy] I'm trying Eleventy
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[davidmead] I have zero experience, so far it's some stumbling around
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[xavierroy] I've tried it too
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[xavierroy] but somehow the idea of pulling together an entire set of node modules just to display one static page
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[xavierroy] i like /hugo a lot in that way.. one executable and you're on your way with a starter project
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[davidmead] I guess I'm making harder on myself, not using any of the starters.
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[davidmead] Created a semantic HTML layout for each page and figuring out how to make the work :-)
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[davidmead] Learn through doing, and all that
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[KevinMarks] I started one with hugo and then deleted lots of a template, that seemed easier
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[tantek] SSG's general require some amount of devops right?
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aaronpk unless it's like movable type or dreamweaver
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aaronpk in theory you can manage a jekyll site entirely from the github UI, but I haven't seen that in practice all that much
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[tantek] SSG << [[Category:jargon]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Category:jargon]]" to the "See Also" section of /static_site_generator https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=66706&oldid=61381
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[tantek] aaronpk, in that case we should redirect SSG discussions to the dev channel
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aaronpk The vast majority of the conversations around SSGs currently definitely fall under dev
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aaronpk also because it’s an implementation detail of a website regardless of how user friendly the UI might be
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jamietanna[m] [davidmead]: I'd be happy to chat in #dev about SSGs - I use /hugo and have some thoughts about it and how to get started with IndieWeb
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[davidmead] Thanks @jamietanna[m]
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[fluffy] What’s a good retort for support people who insist that Chrome is their recommended browser? I usually say something like “I would rather not support a browser monopoly. Do you remember how bad it was for the web when everyone was MSIE-only? I care very deeply about this and only use Chrome as a last resort.”
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jacky lol it's a mouthful but that's on par
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[snarfed] [fluffy] are you trying to convince them to switch? or just explain why you don't use it? if the latter, maybe you don't need to argue or convince them of anything? doesn't seem like there's much to be gained
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[fluffy] I’m trying to point out that making a website Chrome-only is user-hostile
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[snarfed] ohhh that's very different
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[snarfed] ...but again, if they know the market share numbers, and they're ok with serving a broken web site to XX% of their users, then i don't know that there's much else to say
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[fluffy] but that causes a network effect where everyone ends up just using Chrome 😐
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[snarfed] eh that's a big leap ten steps away. and even if/when it happens, it isn't permanent
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[fluffy] which is of course what I’m trying to avoid here
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[snarfed] it's a fun broader debate, but maybe don't get too in the weeds with individual people about individual web sites. cost/benefit for those arguments usually isn't great
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[fluffy] it’s a self-fulfilling thing. “60% of our users use Chrome, so let’s focus on that.” <bug affects all Firefox users> “We recommend Chrome.” <two months later> “80% of our users use Chrome, let’s not support Firefox.”
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[snarfed] sure, but there are all sorts of other big factors too
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[snarfed] anyway. changing people's minds is hard and rare, and they'll be especially defensive about their own web site, anything they've made themselves, etc. i'd avoid it if i were you.
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[fluffy] yeah, but I’m specifically using this website as a customer
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[fluffy] I’m not engaging with random web developer, I’m having trouble using a commercial website for commercial purposes
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[fluffy] and I mean the person I’m talking to isn’t a developer on the site or anything ,they’re a support person. I don’t want to be mean to them or anything, but at the same time I want to register my concern that they’re only supporting a single monopolistic browser.
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[snarfed] ah ok. again, useful context 😁
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[snarfed] so ask them to pass that along. that's the most you can do
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[snarfed] can also try to call them out on twitter. pros and cons there
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[asuh] what does a Chrome-only site entail? Are they actively blocking other browsers?
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[fluffy] They’re not actively blocking it, but important functionality fails to work.
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[asuh] based on javascript?
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[fluffy] Yeah.
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aaronpk speaking of browsers, why has nobody told me that in chrome on windows my site has a weird scroll bar at the bottom
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[asuh] interesting. Modern browsers are fairly aligned with JS standards now, it’s surprising that someone would actively write JS that doesn’t work elsewhere. Doesn’t make sense
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[fluffy] It’s not purposeful, it’s a lack of testing elsewhere
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[asuh] ah that makes sense
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[fluffy] and using an API in a browser-specific way, or relying on a particular browser bug
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[fluffy] which is of course a problem when the browser fixes that bug later an then suddenly it breaks
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[asuh] unfortunate that they won’t test
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[asuh] i think the stats would be the best way to do this. even if Firefox is <5%, does that number translate to hundreds or thousands of users? that’s poor business practice if they’re ignoring that many… customers, users, visitors
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[tantek] is this a site you need for your IndieWeb site?
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[asuh] Just checked, no scroll bar for Chrome on Windows 10 here
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gRegorLove hm, no scrollbar for me on Windows Chrome, aaronpk
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gRegorLove also Windows 10
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aaronpk huh
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[fluffy] [tantek] not directly, but I use it for selling some of my merch designs, and it’s an issue that affects the IndieWeb in general.
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[fluffy] I’m happy to move it to a different channel if you feel it’s more appropriate.
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[tantek] I'm just trying to understand the IndieWeb user relevance, that's all
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[fluffy] That’s fair.
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[snarfed] 😮 https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/26/20984328/twitter-removing-inactive-accounts-usernames-available-date
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aaronpk whoa
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[tantek] oh dear
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[tantek] I guess I need to get around to getting the rest of my accounts unlocked and post on all of them 😕
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cambridgeport90[ I have a couple of other Twitter accounts as well. Crap. Thanks for the warning.
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sknebel https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1199459588594176000
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@textfiles ATTENTION USERS OF TWITTER. Did someone who know or know of make the huge mistake of dying before clicking through a 2019 Terms of Service for their twitter account? Do you want to honor their memory? Please fill out this form: https://forms.gle/iBFP24cKDnYpicxB9 (twitter.com/_/status/1199459588594176000)
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jacky oooh yes, now I can get jacky lol
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gRegorLove evergreen https://twitter.com/actioncookbook/status/684515262712967170
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@actioncookbook USERS: you're alienating the people who actually use your product TWITTER: likes are now florps USERS: what TWITTER: timeline goes sideways (twitter.com/_/status/684515262712967170)
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cambridgeport90[ Not to mention, the other two accounts I have a project accounts. That would look very bad in this day and age, wouldn’t it?
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[snarfed] eh i don't know if that one entirely applies. one big motivator here was to more decisively kill off bots, spammers, etc, which actually does help quality
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cambridgeport90[ Good to know. Normally my project account only post a tweet when we have something interesting to say the world. We’ve been kind of on hiatus at the moment, though.
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[snarfed] they are clearly saying you'll only have to log in to keep your acct; you won't have to tweet
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[snarfed] and bots authing counts
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cambridgeport90[ Good.