#indieweb 2019-12-17

2019-12-17 UTC
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swentel anyone using indigenous via F-Droid: location is coming :)
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swentel will test a bit more for a few days to make sure everything is ok
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swentel but will be nice christmas present ;)
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cambridgeport90[ I wish the iOS application for the same quality. That’s the only regret that I have about switching from android.
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swentel I might start writing it next year
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swentel the android version almost pretty much has all features I want
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swentel I know eddie is trying to get new apps up, but not sure how far he's gotten at the moment
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cambridgeport90[ I’ll have to keep a watch on both of you guys.
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swentel I might ask a friend as well though, I don't even have a mac or iphone, so will be slow to write hehe
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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GWG swentel: I am sure we can find more features for you
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[jgmac1106] morning all from snowy , icy Connecticut
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[jgmac1106] we can find more regrets for switching cambridgeport90
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[jgmac1106] eddie seems to have gone dark, not sure the iOS apps will get love any time soon
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GWG I hate when life takes people away
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GWG eddie is also my weather buddy
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swentel GWG, I'm sure you will indeed :)
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GWG swentel: If you followed my plane situation, I have not figured out how to post a location derived from that in Indigenous
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swentel GWG, you mean checkin doesn't work then?
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GWG Anything location related.
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GWG Basically, if it doesn't get a GPS lock
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swentel hmm it also tries the network provider normally
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swentel and google services too (if you allow that)
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GWG swentel: If I knew a way to feed my data to the OS...
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GWG I'm not sure an application can set location
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swentel only in dev mode (unless there's some sneaky other way)
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GWG Or alternatively, if there is no lock, poll the Micropub endpoint for a location
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GWG I upload it to my backend
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swentel hmm poll for your last location then?
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GWG swentel: Yee. Might be too much
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swentel hmm maybe there's a location provider for that which allows you to configure your custom backend
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GWG swentel: Not sure what you mean?
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swentel GWG, well, with MicroG (used on LineageOS), you can configure custom location providers
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swentel default it comes with mozilla
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swentel but there others
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swentel but I'm not 100% sure if it's allowed on google phones
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swentel but theoretically, that should be possible
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swentel (at least it is on lineage)
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swentel so you can write your own provider which is called whenever an app asks for a location
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swentel I'll check whether something exists for that on the playstore
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GWG swentel: If you could send me links...
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GWG Not sure if I am up for the task, but I'll see
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[KevinMarks] Interesting term microbrowser https://24ways.org/2019/microbrowsers-are-everywhere/
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[jgmac1106] go back and forth on adding the OpenGraoh junk to my header in posts....in a perfect u-featured would act in the same way, in a btter world, I would learn to make the plumbing to take a u-featured img and have it automate the Open Graph stuff
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[tantek] KevinMarks that's such an exaggeratory term. There is no "browsing" from a "microbrowser" as defined at least from a user's perspective. Crawling / indexing != browsing.
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aaronpk yeah it sounds like someone is trying to make up a word so that they can win the SEO for it
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[tantek] yeah it's dumb
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[tantek] at least they're using "link preview" throughout e.g. "These link previews are so commonplace"
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[tantek] some good stuff in the article tho
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[tantek] e.g. LOL: "First, page requests from Microbrowsers don’t run JavaScript and they don’t accept cookies. The Google Analytics `<script>` block won’t be run or executed. And all cookie will be ignored by the rendering agent."
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aaronpk searching "microbrowser" it looks like a bunch of different websites define it as a browser that runs on a small device like a phone
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[tantek] that's more accurate
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[tantek] people really ought to Google a term before attempting to redefine it
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[tantek] in fact maybe I'll do just that ...
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[tantek] found one (a better term that doesn't have existing results in DDG or G search)
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[tantek] let's see if I can fit this into a tweet
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[tantek] I just decided in one instance to explicitly *not* linking to something because it lacks a webmention endpoint, and instead am linking to and replying to the tweet about it
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[tantek] (I thought 24ways had published an article about webmentions so I'm kinda surprised they don't accept them)
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[tantek] apparently not https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=site%3A24ways.org+%22webmention%22
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chrisaldrich good morning IndieWeb!
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[schmarty] o/ chrisaldrich!
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chrisaldrich blows my /🦆⛵ whistle
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chrisaldrich What is TOS?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TOS" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "TOS is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich What is terms of service?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "terms of service" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "terms of service is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[snarfed] omg i can't believe that page has a criticism section
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chrisaldrich silo << https://tosdr.org/ Terms of Service; Didn't Read has a ranking system and describes features that might serve as a proxy for defining a silo
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Loqi ok, I added "https://tosdr.org/ Terms of Service; Didn't Read has a ranking system and describes features that might serve as a proxy for defining a silo" to the "See Also" section of /silo https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=67373&oldid=66022
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chrisaldrich micro.blog << https://m.b.wiki.eli.li/doku.php/start a community wiki with additional resources
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Loqi ok, I added "https://m.b.wiki.eli.li/doku.php/start a community wiki with additional resources" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Micro.blog https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=67375&oldid=66366
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[grantcodes] Non indieweb in 2019 https://v.redd.it/6j36q9dvi8541
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://gen.medium.com/the-decade-the-internet-lost-its-joy-4898c2c44cb4 (from https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/705e6d68-f9e4-4fb6-8855-34365e44457d)
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chrisaldrich I wonder how people would react to silos if the data they were taking from us came in physical form and suddenly disappeared? Maybe something like this: https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/13/21019565/murfie-madison-wisconsin-store-stream-cd-vinyl-collection-closed
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chrisaldrich site-deaths << https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/13/21019565/murfie-madison-wisconsin-store-stream-cd-vinyl-collection-closed
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/13/21019565/murfie-madison-wisconsin-store-stream-cd-vinyl-collection-closed" to the "See Also" section of /site-deaths https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=67376&oldid=67137
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chrisaldrich site-deaths << https://techcrunch.com/2019/12/09/microsoft-to-finally-shut-down-to-do-list-app-wunderlist-on-may-6-2020/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://techcrunch.com/2019/12/09/microsoft-to-finally-shut-down-to-do-list-app-wunderlist-on-may-6-2020/" to the "See Also" section of /site-deaths https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=67379&oldid=67376
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chrisaldrich ^^ heads up aaronpk
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chrisaldrich What is Wunderlist?
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Loqi Wunderlist is an app for managing todo lists, is available for many desktop and mobile platforms, and has an API https://indieweb.org/Wunderlist
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chrisaldrich Wunderlist << https://techcrunch.com/2019/12/09/microsoft-to-finally-shut-down-to-do-list-app-wunderlist-on-may-6-2020/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://techcrunch.com/2019/12/09/microsoft-to-finally-shut-down-to-do-list-app-wunderlist-on-may-6-2020/" to a new "See Also" section of /Wunderlist https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=67380&oldid=35977
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aaronpk Oh gosh thanks
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aaronpk and here I was thinking they were happy leaving it running as is
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aaronpk I switched to Todoist a while ago. Haven't been as happy with todoist as wunderlist but at least I won't be scrambling now
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kolaente Shameless plug: I'm building a todo app aimed to eventually replace wunderlist: https://vikunja.io/ (currently usable, but beta)
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kolaente aaronpk (@freenode_aaronpk:matrix.org): What are you missing from wunderlist in todoist?
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