#indieweb 2020-05-13

2020-05-13 UTC
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amiiboh For whatever it's worth - I've now used this extension (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/personal-blocklistnot-by/cbbbhelcpfjhdcncigdlkabmjbgokmpg) to completely block Medium articles from appearing in my Google Search Results
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amiiboh Something I'm doing with more and more sites that have incredibly user-unfriendly interfaces
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jacky what is garden
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "garden" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "garden is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky I keep seeing information about digital gardens
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jacky aka like places where people can learn and experiment in the open on their own sites
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jacky granted; that's very easy to do when you own your site
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jacky but there's people looking at it from a CMS perspective which I think kinda cheapens the idea
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[chrisaldrich] jacky, I think many of those references are also for wiki-like sites... I'd love to see the examples you've seen of people using that verbiage.
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jacky there's this post https://joelhooks.com/digital-garden
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jacky which is also where I saw https://stackingthebricks.com/how-blogs-broke-the-web/
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jacky (this title isn't misleading but it's not what I thought it to be)
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jacky then there's https://tomcritchlow.com/2019/02/17/building-digital-garden/ (also linked)
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jacky (this is also where the indieweb retorts were made: https://egghead.io/lessons/egghead-sector-the-future-of-mdx-and-digital-gardens)
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jacky namely https://egghead.io/lessons/egghead-sector-the-future-of-mdx-and-digital-gardens#t=3119
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[chrisaldrich] jacky++ for the long list!
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Loqi jacky has 18 karma in this channel over the last year (79 in all channels)
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jacky this also introduced me to the fact that someone owns mention.com and has a web.mention.com thing
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[chrisaldrich] Wow! I'll have to listen to the audio, but the transcript "I don't know overarching movement and that they don't focus enough on the user experience." is an awfully rough one if I'm reading it right.
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jacky if you click the timestamp; it'll jump to the audio in-line
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jacky but yeah I guess they want something that matches what _they_ deem as 'acceptable' and not necessarily if it means a goal
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jacky this is also in the trenches of the js-only land so that's a community of a lot of re-world-building
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[chrisaldrich] I have a bit of an idea of where they may be coming from. One of their colleagues joined our Gardens and Streams session a couple weeks back.
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[jeremycherfas] I think there’s also a sense in which some of the people who talk about digital gardens are talking about making their outboard brains and thought processes, where they grow and prune ideas, into publicly visible spaces.
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] Hello everybody,
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] I’m currently working in changing my url design. And before doing this big change I want to hear some other opinion to see if I’m missing something that I may regret later.
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] What I have now is /type/year/month/day/hour-minute-second, my markdown files are also named hour-minute-second.md (I use Hugo)
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] This current folder organization has some problems, for example I have many type folders in my content with each having their own folder structure.
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] What I’m planning is to have all the content in the same date folder structure so I can see all the posts I did by visiting any day folder.
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] The folder structure would be /year/month/day/file but in the file I will take advantage of the slug so I will add the post type. I will end up with something like 2020/05/12/reply/10-24-53 also because I can name my post files whatever I want if I use the slug I’m thinking in using a file name like hour-minute-second--type.md so I can identify each one since many post types can be in the same day folder.
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] Sorry for the long explanation, looking forward to hear any thoughts.
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[LewisCowles] Ramiro, is second not redundant, or is this to cope with some machine-generated use-case?
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[LewisCowles] in which case second may not be enough
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[LewisCowles] even minute seems a bit redundant
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[LewisCowles] with seconds it's 604,800‬ potential pieces of content per week
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[LewisCowles] 86400*7
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[LewisCowles] 10,080 potential pieces of content with minutes included
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[LewisCowles] 168 if hourly
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[LewisCowles] does anyone have > 10,000 posts? does anyone do > 500 a year?
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jamietanna1 I've currently got 5631 pieces of content on my site, 3128 fom 2020 alone, if that helps!
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jamietanna1 (on https://www.jvt.me)
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jamietanna1 I generate a post per like of ie. Twitter URLs
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jamietanna1 I use Hugo, and have /mf2/:year/:month/5-character-random-chars/
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jamietanna1 Ramiro I'd be interested to hear how you're going to generate day-based archives on Hugo - I wanted to do something similar, but have my main h-feed on my site day-based, so each page on the pagination would be a single day
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jacky [LewisCowles]: I have over 10,000 posts lol
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[LewisCowles] Wow. Do you date and time-stamp them? It's some dedication. I'm having trouble gardening 50
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[LewisCowles] I'm not attempting to salvage twitter or facebook or Github data (1GB) until I get those 50 down
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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T-X what's up?
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[jgmac1106] morning all. Trying to get today's poem published. Hope all is well
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[LewisCowles] Morning all 👋
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jacky [LewisCowles]: all of that is done automatically :)
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[LewisCowles] So yes then. It's not about the automation. More the control
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[LewisCowles] controlling 10,000 things, less fun
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[LewisCowles] for me
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jeremycherfas !tell sknebel would you mind popping into #knownchat and helping T-X in there please?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel .
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Loqi sknebel: jeremycherfas left you a message 9 minutes ago: would you mind popping into #knownchat and helping T-X in there please?
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GWG Good morning all
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jeremycherfas Good morning gwg
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GWG Any exciting Indiewebbing for today?
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jeremycherfas Not me, unless I manage to be very productive on what I am doing.
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GWG We have an HWC later, which may be my Indieweb activity for the day
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GWG Then I am still working on location and weather...despite the fact I'm not going anywhere and have no plans to...I think because I need to think about going somewhere
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jeremycherfas I understand that. I'm kind of tempted to stay up very late, just for the fun of it, but I know I'll be a wreck tomorrow, and I can't afford that. Might drop in on London.
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sknebel somehow everything is always wednesdays, so I've consistently missed HWCs
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jeremycherfas Is Wednesday particularly bad for you?
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jeremycherfas I find it slightly strange that we in Europe, who used to be the main vHWC, no longer have a regular slot. I also know the timing is often difficult for me.
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sknebel particularly bad in that a majority of remote events I might want to participate in are on Wednesdays, yes :D
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jeremycherfas :(
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[Rose] When I have my own place I could try and host vHWC
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jacky is up earlier and earlier nowadays
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jacky it might be handy to spread them out over the week
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jacky I think NYC does it on thursdays?
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jeremycherfas I don't mind hosting, but my preferred times are not great for others. 5-7 CEST is my best window.
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jeremycherfas Pm
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GWG jeremycherfas: Schedule something not on a Wednesday
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GWG NYC does it more sporadically, next one is next Wednesday
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jeremycherfas I might just do that.
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GWG [Rose]: Hope your new place getting is going well.
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[Rose] It is! But slowly, because of life. That said, it's looking more optimistic than ever.
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jeremycherfas I saw in the paper this morning that socially-distant house viewing was about to be permitted.
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jeremycherfas Which sounds like a nightmare.
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[Rose] It's the valuation/survey I need.
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[Rose] Which sounds like less of a nightmare.
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jeremycherfas I would hope so. Where are you looking?
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jeremycherfas Southwest?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Rendering Micropub Client Data on Posts" https://www.jvt.me/posts/2020/05/13/render-micropub-client-data/
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] [LewisCowles] I have likes, so I added seconds to all my file names so I don’t have to worry about liking 2 posts at the same minute that I may do scrolling on twitter. It does it automatically.
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] @jamietanna1 while I have a working Micropub with indiekit, I rarely use it since it doesn’t have everything I want. I use a series of complex iOS shortcuts that I made that use the GitHub API and that’s what I use to post at the moment. Pagination by day sounds great! I may take a look at that to implement it too.
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[LewisCowles] Ramiro, cool. It's not the only way to solve though. A file-identity hash of the payload could prevent duplicates as well as provide the ability to send as many as you want for a point in time.
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[LewisCowles] Looks like I am misinformed about the size of others web presence anyway
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[LewisCowles] It's certainly another case for tantek bespoke system for handling file-based serving.
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[snarfed] i'm curious how many total posts aaronpk's web site has. the stats on https://aaronparecki.com/ for a subset of post types add up to 18.5k, over ~15y. add in food, sleep, travel, etc, and i bet it's in the neighborhood of 100k total
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[snarfed] also aaronpk 2004-12-03 is the oldest post i found on your site. does that sound right? https://aaronparecki.com/all?before=20041209T102424-0700
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] German Radio Program
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aaronpk haha yeah!
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/aaronpk 60,370 posts!
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Loqi Aaron Parecki
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[tw2113] a drop in the water
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[LewisCowles] over 16 years though, relating to the numbers above. There would be no need to go to seconds.
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[LewisCowles] It is a lot of posts though aaronpk
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[snarfed] need for seconds isn't average, it's burstiness. eg i've definitely liked more than one tweet in the same second before
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[LewisCowles] is it the same tweet?
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[snarfed] nope
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[LewisCowles] right; so seconds wasn't needed then either, was it?
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aaronpk what do you mean "go to seconds"?
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[snarfed] i thought the original proposal was purely timestamp based, at second resolution. maybe i missed something!
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aaronpk scrolls upp
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aaronpk this is why i dropped timestamps from the identifier of my posts
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aaronpk especially when posts are created by importing from other sources, there's no way to guarantee uniqueness of timestamps at any level
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aaronpk e.g. two external data sources say that posts are created at exactly 9am, because it doesn't have any better granularity, there's a conflict so you need to resolve it somehow
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[snarfed] yuuup. time is useful, but dangerous to assume it's a unique id for anything, at any granularity
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aaronpk so I went with year / month / day / counter
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[LewisCowles] This was why I was suggesting following that logic and not including minutes or seconds. It's sound logic.
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[snarfed] ah ok!
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[LewisCowles] I suggested a lazy sha of the content for deduplication because it's something I like the idea of
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aaronpk i don't like how long those get in URLs
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[LewisCowles] problems I've hit have all been #indieweb-dev
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[LewisCowles] I also think aaron is right about length
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[LewisCowles] aint nobody got time to be reading a full sha hash lol
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[LewisCowles] But it does avoid locking a counter
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[LewisCowles] today on things I did because I'm lazy
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[manton] If folks haven't seen the news yet, iA Writer 5.5 added Micropub support. This is a really big deal. I think it must be the most popular app to have Micropub built-in. I blogged about it here in the context of Micro.blog: https://www.manton.org/2020/05/13/ia-writer-adds.html
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Loqi iA Writer adds Micro.blog publishing
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swentel that's pretty cool indeed
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aaronpk wow awesome
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aaronpk does it do the indieauth flow as well?
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[manton] Yes.
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aaronpk perhaps i will spend the $9 to try it out!
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[manton] I've been using Ulysses the last few years, but I'm planning to switch to iA Writer. I already preferred how iA Writer handles Markdown, and this Micropub support is really nice.
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[manton] There's also a Mac trial if anyone just wants to play around with it.
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jacky woah that's huge
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[manton] I'd be curious to hear how it goes if anyone tests it with a homegrown blog or WordPress. It works really well here. Couldn't be more excited about this. 🙂
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amiiboh Can you even buy a license for the Windows version?
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GWG [manton]: Alas, I'm Linux
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amiiboh The pattern of "let's not tell anyone what our software costs unless they download and install the demo" kinda pisses me off
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[manton] I think the Windows version isn't quite ready. They hint that it's coming in this blog post: https://ia.net/writer/blog/new-pdf-preview-better-web-publishing-improved-editing
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[LewisCowles] Looks really similar to hackMD UI
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amiiboh Is that true of the Mac version too?
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aaronpk the prices are all listed here https://ia.net/downloads
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aaronpk I don't see the micropub option in the mac version tho
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amiiboh I see, didn't make sense to click that link since they already have all of their downloads on the iA Writer main page
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aaronpk ah the mac version is not 5.5 yet
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aaronpk "If you run a self-hosted WordPress.org site, you can publish straight to it using the slim IndieAuth plugin instead of the Swiss-Army-Knife that is JetPack" NICE
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aaronpk maybe the download links are still cached
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GWG Slim IndieAuth?
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jacky was just going to ask about the mac versions
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aaronpk "slim"
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aaronpk lowercase
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jacky will sit and wait
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jacky I ran the windows version too
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jacky doesn't even seem to have remote resource support
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GWG I'm just happy they called it slim
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vika_nezrimaya Hi there IndieWeb! I just wrote a new post reflecting on my past mistakes when building the frontend for Kittybox that was destined to become the new https://fireburn.ru
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Loqi Vika
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vika_nezrimaya if you wanna read it, it's there: https://fireburn.ru/posts/1589390603
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Loqi [Vika] Choosing the right website building paradigm, or "The Lazy Programmer Method"
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jacky vika_nezrimaya++
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vika_nezrimaya <3
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[snarfed] vika_nezrimaya sounds like test-driven development!
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vika_nezrimaya It should go well along with TDD as a concept :3
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vika_nezrimaya but it is not a replacement for TDD, it's a nice complement for it
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[snarfed] we usually encourage people to prioritize features/itches based on how much they want them, rather than implementation complexity, but otherwise sgtm
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vika_nezrimaya Itches are nice, but right now I needed a concept for building a usable website in one go, not starting small and figuring out what do I want
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vika_nezrimaya I already know what do I want! :3
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[snarfed] right. the point was how to *prioritize* those itches :P
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[KevinMarks] This is very good https://vicki.substack.com/p/we-are-all-gaga-now
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[tantek] what is URL Design
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Loqi URL design is the practice of deliberately designing URLs, in particular, permalinks, typically for a better UX for everyone who creates, reads, and shares content https://indieweb.org/URL_design
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[tantek] ^ Romiro, cc: aaronpk, [LewisCowles] since I didn't see anyone else mention it
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[tantek] ^ Ramiro I mean 🙂
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[LewisCowles] 😉 tantek++
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