#indieweb 2020-06-12

2020-06-12 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Never nothing to see. Algorithmic feeds or an inbox?" https://prtksxna.com/never-nothing-to-see-algorithmic-feeds-or-an-inbox/
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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petermolnar good morning
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petermolnar Loqi tell me something happy
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Loqi guten morgen
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jeremycherfas It is Friday; the sun is shining; I hope you are healthy.
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[tantek] Has anyone here read "Metaphors We Live By"? https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34459.Metaphors_We_Live_By Wondering if it's worth the time to read, would be helpful (or otherwise necessary) before/while writing my blog post(s) critiquing default societal violent/military metaphors. I figure perhaps [chrisaldrich] has or maybe [jgmac1106]. How much do folks cite *books* in their blog posts? (Or think differently of blog posts that do?) Curious
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[tantek] about people’s experiences.
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petermolnar jeremych: fair point :) sun isn't shining, but it's not too bad either.
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jeremycherfas petermolnar++ for optimism
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Loqi petermolnar has 5 karma in this channel over the last year (22 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] I link to sources more than cite them in blog posts
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[jgmac1106] tantek sent you this link awhile back: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/05/06/lakoff-and-johnson-2003-metaphors-we-live-by
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[jgmac1106] In a weird way I kinda delineate "articles" and "posts" based on my formal citations...which usually coincides with a piece being too long to read
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[jgmac1106] I will have to go with "sun will shine" too early for Sol to cut through the haze of morning fog
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[LewisCowles] are you allowed to do that?
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petermolnar recommendation for those who are either starting to build sites now: don't change your permalinks. Have something that always, without exceptions, point to the very same resource forever. Because my site was very differen 10, let alone 20 years ago, and because I failed to follow this example, my rewrite rules are currently at the number of 3093 regexes.
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petermolnar *~~either~~
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petermolnar I could reduce it by smarter approaches, but at least this way the rules are fairly simple and the algorithm is fairly robust.
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petermolnar (yes, this is partially -dev topic)
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dg https://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI was written in 1998
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dg I particularly like it needs a footnote now to explain the usage of "cool"
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petermolnar yes, I'm aware of this phrase, but whoever wrote it in '98 doesn't seem to have translated it into Hungarian at that time :P
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petermolnar in '99 I had a frame based website. I moved on to using PHP as server side templating in around 2004, at which point my urls became ?m=topic&s=subtopic etc.
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petermolnar Then rewrite rules emerged, and with that, WordPress appeared, which had the "/category/" for categories (although WP did always had the ?p=[entry ID], and that could be considered as the source-of-truth post URL for WP sites).
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petermolnar Somewhere along the years WP introduced custom taxonomy and custom post types, so I got rid of the '/taxonomy/' prefixes. When I dropped WP I made the mistake of going back to '/taxonomy/' for categories, but '/post-name/' for posts.
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petermolnar Now I have settled with the exact same setup as my filesystem/folder layout, but in order to have a site that works completely offline, without a webserver, with relative URLs, I have to add filenames to the URIs, eg. /index.html.
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petermolnar hence the monsterous rewrite ruleset I have.
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[jgmac1106] petermolnar I failed at writing the rewrite rules, why I never migrated my old WP site, I could never get the redirects to work the way I wanted
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[KevinMarks] Lakoff is worth reading, though his later stuff is less illuminating as it has a bit too much "aren't these people I disagree with dumb" in it compared to the empathic earlier stuff
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[KevinMarks] Previously https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/framing-drm/
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jmac dg: It's also funny how the footnotes themselves are outdated, particularly "hall of flame", which absent knowledge of late-20th-century Usenet-derived slang, sounds... cool.
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[jgmac1106] and Simpsons fans with the "L Dog /D Man Flame Wars"
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[KevinMarks] Here's me trying to talk to lakoff about open source frames in 2007 https://youtu.be/jNLP88aTg_8?t=2700
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jacky I don't think this is a dev-y question; more of a feature discussion thing
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jacky so aaronpk, you ever considered 'relays' for Webmentions? Like allowing people to use webmention.io as a "bastion" for Webmention and having it resend them to another endpoint?
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jacky I'm doing this for lighthouse because I didn't want to have custom logic for taking in webmentions but I _do_ want it to be somewhere and let my in-house one be simply removing and deleting
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jacky (since the only way to delete via webmention is via 410s and I wouldn't want to fake a call to do that)
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aaronpk it does that!
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aaronpk kinda devvy, but you can set up webmention.io to forward your webmentions to a webhook
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jacky oh TIL
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jacky lol hmm
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aaronpk that's how my site gets webmentions
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jacky hmm I don't see that in the docs (from a `ctrl+f`)
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aaronpk the docs are...not great
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jacky noted! I'm trying to use my homepage for that (in a intro-y way)
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jacky have a section for each feature and then (ideally) link to a docs site
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[KevinMarks] Mention.tech does pass through too. So you can potentially ask it for webmentions before you had your own endpoint
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jacky there's no mention of that on the site (and nothing in the README) for mention.tech
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[KevinMarks] Yeah, I need to do docs. The site is ugly too.
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[KevinMarks] I built it as a protocol test, it needs some polish to be a usable tool.
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aaronpk like indieauth.com, I am hesitant to put more work into webmention.io because it's running some pretty legacy tech right now
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aaronpk i'm just glad to see more user-friendly tools like pine.blog for handling webmentions :)
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jacky I've seen that name before
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aaronpk definitely check it out
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aaronpk specifically this https://blog.pine.blog/2020/05/bring-us-your-static-sites-yearning-to-breathe-free/
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sknebel What is pine.blog?
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Loqi Pine.blog is a reader and blog hosting service that supports Webmention https://indieweb.org/Pine.blog
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jacky oh wow you can follow YouTube channels from pine.blog's mobile app
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jacky tbh I only want the reader lol
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[schmarty] i follow a few youtube channels in aperture/monocle!
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[schmarty] (using the youtube-still-provides-these-wow channel RSS feeds)
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aaronpk 😂
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jacky oh poo pine.blog doesn't have micropub support
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jacky lol the default recommendations /home/deku/Pictures/Snapshots/Screenshot_20200612_114925.png
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jacky oof
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jacky https://i.imgur.com/gL5ffpA.png
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jacky now everyone knows my user name is an anime character's nickname lol
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jacky oh that's not aaron's site; that's his _youtube_ channel
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jacky multiple timelines is a paid feature? hmm
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jacky tbh I'd be okay with like 3 free ones and then charging beyond that
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[LewisCowles] internet archive I've just read is closing it's book / library feature... 😿
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[LewisCowles] https://www.inputmag.com/culture/internet-archive-kills-its-free-digital-library-over-copyright-concerns
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[KevinMarks] I thought it was reverting to the previous version where one person can borrow at a time
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sknebel yes, they're just ending the covid special program with less restrictions early
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, I haven't read that particular Lakoff book, but it's on my shelf. I suspect it's right up your alley for that post (epigraph) you're writing. I've got it on my to read list, in part, via this review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/44610381?book_show_action=false
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Loqi [Manny] This book is very frequently quoted by linguists - I just looked it up on Google Scholar, and found a staggering 13517 citations. Nearly everyone has at least glanced through it, and the ideas have permeated the field. There was a nice Lakoff-relat...
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, incidentally I recall that particular book being based heavily on a shorter journal article: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2025464?seq=1 which my unpaywall browser extension (https://unpaywall.org/) indicates has an open access pdf copy here: https://escholarship.org/content/qt2p93q7nr/qt2p93q7nr.pdf?t=nvwddy
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