#indieweb 2020-09-03
2020-09-03 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] HWC West is starting for those who'd like to join us: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/09/homebrew-website-club-west-coast-eKgjOW4KvBIK
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samwilson Am I right in thinking that the indieweb term for someone you follow is a 'following'? i.e. what might otherwise be called a 'contact' or a one-way 'friend'?
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[jeremycherfas] Some people, for example [chrisaldrich] , do have public lists of people they are following but I am not sure they would say “oh yes, they are a following of mine”.
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# samwilson hmm yeah that does sound funny. maybe 'contacts' is easier. it's just that it needs to be people and organisations…
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[jgmac1106] LinkedIn does connection and following I thing. Connectiomn two way, following one way
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# [tb] Maybe heresy but I'm calling this just a 'follow'
# [jgmac1106] agree Tony and a social network has more of two way relationship then a blog and a reader
# [jgmac1106] In LinkedIn case it is also a status, noise control for influencers...I can only "follow" Bill Gates I can't connect
# [jgmac1106] blogger does a good job of still displaying this
# [tb] `follow` also felt more aligned to me with what other people are already doing with the unofficial `follow-of` property in MF2
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petermolnar so many people have problems with certain words carrying historical bad meaning, yet followers, following, to follow is fine, regardless the most common context: religion. I'd love to have some other, commonly accepted phrase for it; blogroll was nice, but the term would be restricting these days.
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# [tb] contact feels more neutral to me, but implies that I've actually had contact with the person — I might just be a lurker
# [tb] lurks / lurk-of perhaps
# petermolnar lurker is... not that bad. At least it's not stalker :)
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# hirusi[m] Does anyone have a workflow for moderating webmentions on a static site? Especially bulk moderation so I don't end up triggering dozens of builds 🙃
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# [tb] Don't know how relevant this is for how your site is set up hirusi[m] but when my backend receives an incoming webmention it puts it into a moderation queue immediately (I haven't built out allow/deny lists yet), and then only webmentions that are in an approved state will get injected into the frontmatter of their target posts (and a republish won't get triggered for a webmention unless it gets approved)
# [tb] Caveat to this — the latter half of that workflow is still being built but that's pretty much how I'm doing it
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Loqi follow is a common feature (and often UI button) in silo UIs (like Twitter) that adds updates from that profile (typically a person) to the stream shown in an integrated reader, and sometimes creates a follow post either in the follower's stream ("… followed …" or "… is following …") thus visible to their followers, and/or in the notifications of the user being followed ("… followed you") https://indieweb.org/following
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# Loqi ok, I added "http://microformats.org/wiki/follow_link#fans_and_followers" to the "See Also" section of /follow https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=72509&oldid=71018
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# petermolnar I'd much rather use subscribe, than follow: follow is way too much cult wording for me. Too late though, it's `follow` everywhere. Not impossible that it's on purpose, given the context of "Vanity is definitely my favorite sin" /The Devil's Advocate/.
# petermolnar interesting: publisher never came up as a substitute for followed
# petermolnar meh. I can't change it. I still don't like the `follow` terminology.
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# sknebel dmbaturin_: o/ - just found https://soupault.neocities.org/blog/conference-paper-2020/ through Hacker News - interesting stuff!
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# [Jan_Lukas_Else] ↩️ I used to build my site with each webmention, but I switched to webmentiond, as simple small Go application using SQLite: https://github.com/zerok/webmentiond
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "webmentiond" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "webmentiond is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# sknebel webmentiond is https://github.com/zerok/webmentiond, a standalone webmention receiver using Go and SQLite with backend UI.
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# petermolnar > written in GO > Now that you have all that, start the server with the following command: docker run [...] - ::sigh::. Go, which was meant to be a single binary.
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[schmarty] dang this soupault static site tool has hit a lot of ideas i have been thinking about!
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