#indieweb 2020-11-03

2020-11-03 UTC
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velox hello
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Ruxton hi
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[chrisaldrich] What is everyone working on tonight?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "everyone working on tonight" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "everyone working on tonight is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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cambridgeport90 My site's alive again ... though evidently autommatic raised their prices. I am now paying $240 a year for Jetpack premium. I have a few more settings to fix,but other than that.
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[tw2113_Slack_] i'm struggling to determine how it's worth that much money a year
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[chrisaldrich] I do too...
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[chrisaldrich] Though I know that I've seen a few discounts on their things lately for the more price sensitive....
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[chrisaldrich] cambridgeport90, what are the most compelling parts of it that you think are worth that value? Automatic backups would be a useful one that I would consider.
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[KevinMarks] https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-justice-department-finally-takes-on-google-and-the-danger-of-monopolies
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schmudde Hello all - does anybody have experience with creative commons?
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schmudde I'd like to add a machine readable CC0 to some images on my website. https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
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schmudde I have the at human readable (cc0) in the caption using Font Awesome: https://fontawesome.com/icons/creative-commons?style=brands
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schmudde But I'm not sure what to do to make sure search engines know they can pick it up too.
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schmudde I don't find creative commons wiki particularly helpful in this regard. https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Marking_your_work_with_a_CC_license#Author.2C_License.2C_Machine-readability
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sknebel details about what applications consume is indeed pretty limited
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sknebel Google announced some new stuff this year, but I don't know if anything else cares about it: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/image-license-metadata
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sknebel creative commons has a search site, but as far as I remember that just indexes a few image sites that allow to explicitly tag a license, e.g. Flickr. Which is also assume how many people search for images with clear licenses
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sknebel *how I assume
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[Denver_Prophit] Inside an imageobject you can add a license attribute
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schmudde Thanks sknebel. Looks like those docs point to a schema.org solution: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/image-license-metadata
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schmudde For an explicit license.
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[Denver_Prophit] I'm sure this belongs in dev? Happy to share that code over there.
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petermolnar I've added licence that apparently Google parses; will it make any difference though, I can't tell. Test here: https://search.google.com/test/rich-results?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpetermolnar.net%2Fphoto%2Fwales-forest-spirit%2Findex.html&user_agent=1
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[Denver_Prophit] The attribute may not be parsed into a rich snippet footer. But, the data is there for other consumers of structured data.
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schmudde Ah thanks petermolnar. That looks like what I wanted. Since no one knows what goes on behind the scenes at megacorp, we just do what we can, I guess.
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schmudde What's the indieweb dev channel? It's not coming up easily in Weechat. I suppose I should join there.
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schmudde got it. nm
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schmudde Moving there. Thanks for your help everyone!
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[Denver_Prophit] well there ya go https://images.app.goo.gl/9y93s9hUMcBEKZAC9 the license is there on image search.
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schmudde Very nice.
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[Denver_Prophit] I'm going to study this and update my own images I use to share via og:image
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schmudde petermolnar: this image is beautiful - https://petermolnar.net/photo/hongcun-bridge-2/index.html
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Loqi [Peter Molnar] Hongcun bridge closeup https://petermolnar.net/photo/hongcun-bridge-2/hongcun-bridge-2_large.jpg
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schmudde Your descriptions ring the bell of patience. I really enjoy them.
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jacky got my toes in the p2p social web stuff and came across this
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jacky https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/fellow-research-decentralized-web-hate/
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jacky I figure that this can help influence what a system for vouch could look like (by planning for what one would want to vouch for, versus against)
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[schmarty] jacky++ interesting piece
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Loqi jacky has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (113 in all channels)
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[tantek] The Mozilla Foundation fellows explore all kinds of different things
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[chrisaldrich] There's been a handful of people registering for IndieWebCamp East which is coming up in about two weeks. Here's a quick reminder to RSVP if you haven't already: https://2020.indieweb.org/east
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Loqi IndieWebCamp East
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[tantek] yo all that license chatter, unless you're talking about a UI for *picking* a license among a human readable list (not URLs), then please move it to #indieweb-dev petermolnar. thank you
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[tantek] like if you have to cite a developers.google .com URL, that should be a strong hint that you're having a #indieweb-dev conversation
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petermolnar we already did, [tantek], along time ago
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petermolnar but I don't see why a UI is the only thing in relation to license that can stay here
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petermolnar or am I misunderstanding something?
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[tantek] got other examples that are user-friendly / user-understandable ?
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petermolnar I have a license text that has wrappers around it for the non-humans; it is visible right under the image
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petermolnar so, sort of
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[tantek] human readable license labeling like "CC0" or "MIT" or "CC By" or expansions of those makes sense too
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[tantek] such text microcopy is typically considered part of a UI
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