#indieweb 2020-12-02

2020-12-02 UTC
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[tantek]
it's on GitHub right? I'd say so. having an IndieWeb /friendly MySpace clone would be quite hilarious
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[chrisaldrich]
It could be interesting to see what might have happened if that were the case, right?
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[tantek]
MySpace itself was inching toward adopting some “social stack” APIs in the mid 2000s until it was acquired
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[tw2113_Slack_]
i wonder if MySpace has stories yet
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[tantek]
You mean SpaceHey?
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[tw2113_Slack_]
nah 😄
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alex11
MyStories
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[tw2113_Slack_]
I...may have to go sign up for spacehey after realizing it's apparently a legit site
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[chrisaldrich]
spaceyhey++ for allowing one to use both <blink> AND <marquee> in one's profile
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Loqi
spaceyhey has 1 karma over the last year
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[tw2113_Slack_]
juuuuuust cause https://spacehey.com/tw2113
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[chrisaldrich]
I can't think of any tools that have done it or do it (besides the old FriendFeed, which Facebook bought), but are there any silos that can aggregate a single persons' social media output (via feeds, API, other) into a single stream of content?
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[Raphael_Luckom]
what do you mean by "output"? Every social network, including the corporate ones?
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sebbu
probably
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[jeremycherfas]
Micro.blog?
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[chrisaldrich]
Yup, all of them. Most like Facebook and Twitter no longer have RSS, so one would have to pull data (if at all via APIs). Micro.blog is a maybe for those that use it since they're posting there primarily first and it aggregates everything by default.
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[chrisaldrich]
However I do know many on micro.blog who separately maintain other presences/blogs with their macro content and micro.blog is just for their notes.
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[chrisaldrich]
I have a feeling that there just isn't anything out there anymore that serves the function that friendfeed did
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[chrisaldrich]
Some of us post to a central website first and then syndicate, so it's easier to follow with a reader from the source. But others are posting only to silos and thus it's harder to get the fuller picture of their posting from a following perspective, or you have to deduplicate portions.
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[chrisaldrich]
Here's a concrete example: https://boffosocko.com/2020/11/25/following-zeynep-tufekci/ where I've aggregated a variety of feeds to do this all manually, but I'd prefer a more productized service for those who don't live a more indieweb-esque web experience.
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[Raphael_Luckom]
this reminds me of the joke of referring to /dev/null as "write-only memory"
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[Raphael_Luckom]
is that a representative case? Because if so, it usefully does not include some of the grabbiest silos, like facebook and insta
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aaronpk
i think all the API changes have made this kind of thing impossible now
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[Raphael_Luckom]
The reason that I think it's useful is that if you include the specific silos that make exfiltration especially difficult, you end up doing browser-automation whack-a-mole. If you can decide at the outset to make those specific silos out-of-scope, it turns into a different conversation.
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[Raphael_Luckom]
Another way to think about it would be to assume that at any given time, you have API access to _some_ of the outlets that publish a person's work. Then you could work on a way to build a "finder" for each service separately from the author-centric view. then the author-centric view would be their ID on each service in whatever format the finder wanted. When a particular service put up too many barriers, its finder would stop working, which
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[Raphael_Luckom]
could be a kind of "graceful degradation"
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aaronpk
i'm about *this close* to turning ownyourgram into a browser extension instead of trying to scrape instagram server-side
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[Raphael_Luckom]
tbh I'm impressed you're dong it at all
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[Raphael_Luckom]
*doing
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aaronpk
i wouldn't do it if i wasn't still interested in posting on instagram
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aaronpk
i gave up on facebook entirely OTOH
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[Raphael_Luckom]
Are you still interested in instagram because of the people there, or something else? Just curious, I'm in a similar place
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alex11
i wonder if zuckerberg really is interested in the welfare of the founders and about diversifying income or if it really is just, "kill everything that moves"
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aaronpk
yeah that, and the experience of browsing it is still reasonably nice especially compared to facebook
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[Raphael_Luckom]
I haven't been on facebook for maybe 8 years? so I assume it's bad but idk. I do find instagram relatively pleasant. Having just rejoined twitter it's...a lot
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alex11
one thing instagram will do is it won't allow you to scroll feeds without having an account (you can still do it in a private firefox window though)
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alex11
the usual 'sign in for the best experience' crap
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aaronpk
yeah, a relatively recent change IIRC
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alex11
zuck has to go, he's destroying silicon valley
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alex11
then again it's hardly just him who skirts the lines of ethics
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