#indieweb 2021-04-12
2021-04-12 UTC
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Poorchop why is the knowledge around accepting webmentions always kept so esoteric? The wiki doesn't provide any information whatsoever on how to implement creating an endpoint
# Poorchop a search will always yield countless results simply stating to use webmention.io as the endpoint
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KartikPrabhu Poorchop: because you can decide how to handle incoming webmentions
# KartikPrabhu you get a post request to your site and then you can decide what to do with that request
# Poorchop I think that it would be helpful to mention that, maybe create a guide using some examples with what incoming requests might look like
# KartikPrabhu the incoming requests are POST requests with a source and target URL. Those are specified on the wiki
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# [snarfed] schmarty++ i have did not finish on my book list too, https://snarfed.org/books#read
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[KevinMarks] @poorchop webmention.rocks will send you examples
# Poorchop thanks, I guess I'll try to tackle this eventually - seems like I just need to figure out parsing and look for microformats, whatever those are
# KartikPrabhu to be clear, webmention (intentionally) does not specify how to parse the webmention request. You can parse for microformats, or Schema or OGP or whatever
# KartikPrabhu that is up to the receiver to decide
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# Poorchop is the user forum powered by DokuWiki?
# Poorchop sorry wrong channel
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[chrisaldrich] Poorchops earlier question about implementing Webmention is an interesting one. Perhaps we need to have better/more/different documentation about how to receive and display, especially given the number of references they found "simply" stating to use webmention.io. Some better guidance here may help others to write their own implementations and increase the plurality and design ideas in the space.
# KartikPrabhu not sure what that means
# KartikPrabhu the webmention spec leaves the processing of webmentions to the receiver
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# [Joshua_Sim] Hi all, I just found out about indieauth and indieweb, I thought it is a cool idea, but cannot seem to find any resources after 2018? So I am wondering if the whole movement is still alive? Is mastodon still using indieauth?
# KartikPrabhu yes still alive
# KartikPrabhu not sure about mastodon
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# [Joshua_Sim] cool
# [Joshua_Sim] what are the active projects being built around indieauth and indieweb?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "active projects being built around indieauth and indieweb" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "active projects being built around indieauth and indieweb is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# KartikPrabhu not sure what you mean by "active" projects
# KartikPrabhu indieweb is not some protocol, but more like a colection of building blocks to own your own website
# KartikPrabhu what is indieweb
# Loqi The IndieWeb is a community of individual personal websites, connected by simple standards, based on the principles of owning your domain, using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and own your data https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb
# KartikPrabhu indieauth is an authorization/authentication protocol/spec
# KartikPrabhu what is indieauth
# Loqi IndieAuth is a federated login protocol for Web sign-in, enabling users to use their own domain to sign in to other sites and services https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth
# KartikPrabhu it's OK Loqi, I am with in bounds
# [Joshua_Sim] haha loqi is awesome
# [Joshua_Sim] so what example sites implements the building blocks I can look at?
# [chrisaldrich] What is indie map?
# Loqi indie map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset, made by Ryan Barrett and launched at IndieWeb Summit 2017 https://indieweb.org/indie_map
# [chrisaldrich] [Joshua_Sim] Indie map is a good place to potentially start.
# [Joshua_Sim] awesome chris
# [chrisaldrich] https://brid.gy/#stats will give you pointers to people who are using their sites to interact with traditional social media silos
# [chrisaldrich] Is there something in particular you're looking for though? Sifting through thousands and thousands of sites is likely to be dull especially when you may not be able to experience what some of these sites are providing to their users on a regular basis.
# [Joshua_Sim] yeah I am just trying to get my head around it
# [Joshua_Sim] I am building some sort of decentralised web when I found out about indie*
# [Joshua_Sim] keen to learn more but resources seems to be limited to 2018 and before
# [Joshua_Sim] and broken links etc...
# KartikPrabhu 2018 is only 3 years ago!
# [chrisaldrich] There are also lots of /social_readers and micropub clients/apps that are using IndieAuth.
# [chrisaldrich] What are building blocks?
# Loqi Building blocks are key design-patterns, technologies, and methods for building and improving your independent website https://indieweb.org/building-blocks
# [chrisaldrich] [Joshua_Sim] are you building something for yourself? others? all of the above?
# [Joshua_Sim] all of the above
# [chrisaldrich] There are a handful of more encompassing projects on the /Quick_Start wiki page that offer a variety of integrated building blocks. Another one popped up earlier in chat that has a bunch of features and may be moving more toward some of the building blocks: https://yunaru.com
# [chrisaldrich] [Joshua_Sim] what is your personal site?
# [Joshua_Sim] I don't have one atm
# [Joshua_Sim] why?
# [Joshua_Sim] I am interested in something like mastodon really
# [Joshua_Sim] was playing around with it
# [Joshua_Sim] great concept
# [chrisaldrich] Having a personal site is really the reason to be in indieweb.
# [Joshua_Sim] indieweb --> was looking into the "Owning your own data" part, so there is this project called Solid as well
# [Joshua_Sim] decentralised web
# [chrisaldrich] you could use or run a mastodon instance as your own website certainly
# [chrisaldrich] We're well aware of Solid, but it's incredibly experimental and there aren't a lot of examples of people actually using it to run/power websites.
# [chrisaldrich] What is Solid?
# Loqi Solid is a decentralized file system and protocol designed to power decentralized social applications and linked data https://indieweb.org/Solid
# [Joshua_Sim] these concepts are all so good, solid, indie auth, indieweb
# [Joshua_Sim] getting out of silo problem is awesome, the way the web should be
# [chrisaldrich] I'm heading off for the night, but feel free to poke around, read, and ask questions. The getting started page can be a good place to start. 🙂
# [chrisaldrich] What is getting started?
# Loqi Get started on the indieweb by connecting with the indiewebcamp community, getting a personal domain, a place for your content, and setting up your home page and other indieweb essentials https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
# [Joshua_Sim] loqi can be annoying at times haha
# [Joshua_Sim] thx chris
# [chrisaldrich] give Loqi a pillow
# [chrisaldrich] alas... goodnight
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# [snarfed] aaronpk++ a friendly guide version of eg https://indieweb.org/comments would be awesome
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# [chrisaldrich] What are donations?
# Loqi donation is a rare type of post, often just a note, indicating an act of giving items or money to another person, or organization https://indieweb.org/donations
# [chrisaldrich] I've got one or two examples on that ^^ page. I recently gave away some furniture to some friends when cleaning out the garage. I ought to have a private/photo pseudo-post about it. Not sure what I'd call the broader action though. Acquisition has a bunch of sub categories like gift, purchase, etc. Not sure what the bigger umbrella for getting rid of things ought to be---deacquisition seems too heavy.
# [chrisaldrich] ought to do some spring cleaning on my website too...
# Poorchop "the webmention spec leaves the processing of webmentions to the receiver" the problem is that none of this is clear to a layperson
# Poorchop the whole thing is set up to sound like it's some special protocol, not just a script that responds to a POST
# Poorchop all of this could be made so much clearer if there was even one single example of a simple script for accepting webmentions, and maybe some more advanced tutorials for dealing with flooding or tips on how to write incoming requests to files in such a way to prevent abuse or write conflicts
# Poorchop instead, all we have is an entire web full of people stating "use webmention.io" and if one digs deep enough, some implementations in different languages that all seem to be these massive behemoths
# Poorchop if I'm digging for webmention examples and I only see repos with ~100k+ lines of code, it makes me confused as to what I need to be doing
# [chrisaldrich] Poorchop, you'll likely find more help for the technical side of Webmention in the #indieweb-dev chat room. See also /discuss.
# Poorchop I'm responding to a comment that was made in this channel
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# [snarfed] Poorchop: have you seen https://indieweb.org/comments ? happy to take follow-up in #indieweb-dev
# [chrisaldrich] I was digging around in /newsletter land since Friday. Noticed an iTunes-like /discovery service at https://www.thanksforsubscribing.app/ which is built by [frank]++
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# KartikPrabhu I think you should be able to RSVP with a maybe through webmention
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