#indieweb 2021-06-22

2021-06-22 UTC
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[KevinMarks] This is a very indieweb story https://digital-lab-wp.consumerreports.org/2021/06/15/inside-the-clock-tower/
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[tantek] This too: https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/how-social-media-shapes-our-identity
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[tantek] lots in there, from person-tagging in photos to on this day etc.
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GWG Trying to figure out the logic of my new date display.
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GWG If it is a day archive, I don't need to show the date, just the time.
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GWG If it is a month or year archive, I don't need to show the year.
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Ruxton if(is_day())) { //dostuff } else { //other stuff } ?
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GWG Yes.
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GWG Ruxton, may ask your thoughts in -wordpress about a WordPress specific problem with it.
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GWG Trying to keep the idea of what it looks like generic
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[tantek] what is a person-tag
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Loqi A person tag (AKA people tag) is a tag on a post that refers to a specific person by URL, and which the post author explicitly adds as a tagging action, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink, h-card, or @-name (autocompleted or not) https://indieweb.org/person-tag
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[tantek] person-tag << 2019-08-08 The New Yorker: [https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/how-social-media-shapes-our-identity How Social Media Shapes Our Identity] — tagging people (including yourself) in photos may (unintentionally) impact their identity (both online and overall) for years to come
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Loqi ok, I added "2019-08-08 The New Yorker: [https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/how-social-media-shapes-our-identity How Social Media Shapes Our Identity] — tagging people (including yourself) in photos may (unintentionally) impact their identity (both online and overall) for years to come" to the "See Also" section of /person-tag https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=76132&oldid=75212
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "The Thermal Printer Project: Part III" https://jamesg.blog/2021/06/22/thermal-printer-part-3
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GWG When displaying a post publish date on your website, when is timezone relevant? Or do you always display it?
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petermolnar I'd say tz is only relevant with location
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petermolnar but then if you have location + utc, you can have tz
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petermolnar so maybe if you want to indicate _where_ the post was written, but without exact location data?
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petermolnar tz however, is a terrible thing for that, given things from Canada to Argentina can be the same tz
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petermolnar (sorry for thinking out "loud")
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GWG petermolnar: I have location on most posts
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GWG How do I indicate to people my 'default' timezone such that it could be easily realized the absence of one is me in it and the presence is me out of it?
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GWG To be clear, talking about human design, not markup
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GWG So, Zachary visits my website and is looking at the times of my posts...how does he know what that is relative to without me showing it on every post?
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[snarfed] GWG: I don’t think you need it to understand “when” a single post was
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[snarfed] If a post is marked 8am without time zone, the useful thing to know is, that’s morning. I don’t think time zone is nearly as important
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barnaby hmm I don’t actually show timezones on my post pages (need to fix that), but why not show it on every post? maybe in the title attribute of the element showing the datetime if you don’t want it visible all the time
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GWG [snarfed]: I was thinking of only showing one if I'm away from home...which led to this...how do I tell people where home is.
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[snarfed] You can obviously put time zone on an about page, but local times on posts seem fine to me, normal, not missing context
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[snarfed] put it on an about page
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[tw2113_Slack_] may just be me, but i’m not as worried about time of day for posts, I do like month/year at minimum
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GWG But either way, I am experimenting with all sorts of changes
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GWG So, if it's a day archive, I'm only going to show the time going forward.
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GWG If it's a month archive, I just technically need day
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GWG I was also debating whether I should display differently in a feed vs single post
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barnaby I like to show as much information as possible, provided it doesn’t get in the way. that way it gets preserved when the content is shown out of context, e.g. in a screenshot
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GWG barnaby: I think experimentation is worth it
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barnaby sure!
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GWG I also was exploring switching the date from linking to the permalink to each part of it linking to the relevant archive
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GWG So click on month, you get all posts that month, etc
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GWG I also might hide more information under a details tag
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GWG Which seems like a fun design element
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[jacky] well this is in draft state now https://www.w3.org/TR/did-core/
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barnaby yikes, long document is long
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[snarfed] The intro sounded a lot like tag uris, https://taguri.org/, until it got to the associating subjects w/documents part. (and “prove control” i guess implies authn and/or authz?)
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[snarfed] tag uris are definitely a nice lightweight alternative, if not a complete one. granary uses them liberally
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[snarfed] (maybe #indieweb-dev i guess)
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