#indieweb 2021-07-28

2021-07-28 UTC
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[jacky] https://twitter.com/daphnehk/status/1415320187159543815 came up as something the biggest platforms are beginning to consider (slowly opening up more APIs to give people more control)
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@daphnehk I have a new short piece on one of the most exciting ideas in platform regulation: Letting users choose alternate content moderation systems, built on top of today’s platforms but run by new competitors. https://muse.jhu.edu/article/797795 1/ (twitter.com/_/status/1415320187159543815)
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[jacky] got a chance to speak to some people at BlockParty about content moderation (I'm thinking about this more for my own site but also how to _share_ that info on my site with others in the future) ⬆ came up
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[jacky] it's nuts because we got this from the _other_ side (APIs that can give full control) but don't have the time/knowledge(/and problems, tbh - a lot of this is strongly centered on silos and slightly falls apart in a federated landscape)
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Loqi [jacky]: I don't mean to be a bother, but APIs, federated seems like a better conversation for #indieweb-dev
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[jacky] wow I almost thought that you were a human, Loqi
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[jacky] good job lol
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[jacky] tl;dr: platforms are interested in this because then moderation doesn't _explicitly_ become their problem - they can delegate that to a 'known moderation' service or expose how they do theirs (to a degree, this reminds a lot of fraud prevention work) and continue moving on their own platforms
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[jacky] I am curious how much of a voice such platforms would have (which means this is ripe for a 'standard' of sorts to emerge but eh)
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[jacky] More of the info is in https://muse.jhu.edu/article/797795
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[jacky] this is actually amazing imo
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[jacky] the burden of moderation could be treated the same way people treat like bookmark level ranking
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[chrisaldrich] On the question of trackbacks/pingbacks/webmention (apologies in advance Loqi), we should note that Stuart Landridge, the creator of pingback, might consider Webmention to have superseded it, at least for his own site. He added Webmention in 2014 and is still using it (and doesn't currently appear to be using pingback). See: https://www.kryogenix.org/days/2014/11/29/enabling-webmentions/ and
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[chrisaldrich] https://twitter.com/sil/status/538752647067475968
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@sil Set up webmentions on my site. http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2014/11/29/enabling-webmentions/ Thank you to @voxpelli for assistance and @AaronGustafson and @adactio for inspiration (twitter.com/_/status/538752647067475968)
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[chrisaldrich] [KevinMarks] good luck this afternoon. If you're still fishing for topics of discussion, that audience might be interested in Microsub and the range of some of the usable clients that have evolved a bit over the past couple of years. This could be tied to the recent Microsub pop up event as well as the ability to have a more social reader while silos face increased pressure for their algorithmic divisiveness.
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[KevinMarks] the difficulty is that there isn't really somewhere I can point people to for microsub, as they need a lot of things to work before they can use it
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[KevinMarks] I can maybe screenshare my monocle, but I don't have micropub working on it
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Loqi hey [KevinMarks], would you mind moving this conversation (Microsub, Micropub) to #indieweb-dev? thanks!
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[chrisaldrich] micro.blog may be a flavor of it that is more accessible to the masses, but I think that a large portion of that audience may have the chops to delve in for more control...
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[KevinMarks] I have a login with my known site that does work for replies
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