#indieweb 2022-03-07

2022-03-07 UTC
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cambridgeport90[ I have an interesting question due to unforeseen circumstances. I was going to put my site back on Wordpress, but with the latest security landscape of that thing, I'm reading for another change... which would you guys think is the best setup? I am having a toss up between setting up drupal with the Indieweb Module,or putting my site back on Withknown. (I could also use something like [Statiq](https://statiq.dev), though that would
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cambridgeport90[ require lots more development than I have either the knowledge or the time for at the moment to support all of the features I care about.)
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GWG cambridgeport90[: I'm biased.
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cambridgeport90[ Indieweb features for Statiq is something on my personal roadmap,though.
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jacky I'm def biased too - I'm rolling my own everything right now lol
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GWG jacky: I roll my own stuff, but not 100%.
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jacky yeah same to a degree, lol
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jacky cambridgeport90[m]: the last thing you want is to be fighting your tooling to make your site work
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GWG All the Indieweb things I either built or contributed to
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jacky cambridgeport90[: ^
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GWG By the way, I wrote this up yesterday at Create Day with some brainstorming ideas https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth_Ticket_Auth#Brainstorming
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GWG Curious if anyone has any thoughts
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jacky came across https://serendeputy.com/ in my access logs (lol)
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capjamesg[d] https://briefs.video/videos/is-html-a-programming-language/
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capjamesg[d] Well I will never think about the question "is HTML a programming language?" again:
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capjamesg[d] What an amazing video!
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Murray[d] heydon++
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Loqi heydon has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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Murray[d] Not really too sure where/if this would fit on the Wiki (/blogging? ) but for anyone interested in a11y for writing, or just trying to share information with the widest audience possible, I found this fascinating and very cleverly done: https://pudding.cool/2022/02/plain/
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/accessibility maybe? Talks about things like line lengths too, as well as cognitive things like dyslexia. I would totally add it there
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Murray[d] Somehow did not find that page when searching 😄 Will take a look, thanks
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Zegnat It might be a page in need of some love :) But it contains a lot of clever links!
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stevenm_ Just to be sure before I move on... this isn't 100% self-hosted is it?
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Murray[d] You're not wrong Zegnat, lots of useful stuff but a **long** See Also section on that page! ➡ #indieweb-meta
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Zegnat stevenm_: what isn’t 100% self-hosted?
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stevenm_ well unless I'm getting confused I was told IndieWeb was similar to Disqus in some way?
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stevenm_ possibly getting crossed wires here as it doesn't seem like it
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capjamesg[d] What is the IndieWeb?
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Loqi The IndieWeb is a community of individual personal websites, connected by simple standards, based on the principles of owning your domain, using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and own your data https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb
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stevenm_ OK undo everything I've said and I'll start again :)
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stevenm_ Basically I want to run a tonne of static websites (e.g. made using Hugo or Publii, etc...) and self-host a commenting system (like Disqus) and search system (like Google Custom Search) for them all
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capjamesg[d] Oh and welcome 👋
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stevenm_ I noticed (via the IndieWeb web chat search system) that there is something called phinde for the search :P
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stevenm_ But still looking for something for the commenting
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stevenm_ If anyone has any ideas I've be overjoyed :P
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stevenm_ thanks for having me :)
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Murray[d] what are webmentions
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Loqi Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/webmentions
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Zegnat A lot of commenting efforts on IndieWeb has been on having people post comments on their own blogs and sending it to other blogs to be included there. So I have no Disqus drop-in replacement in mind direvtly.
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Murray[d] stevenm_ ☝ you may have heard people talk about Webmention. That standard has been used to power comments and social interactions across sites and I see a lot of talk on places like Twitter about replacing systems like Disqus with webmentions
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Murray[d] but as Zegnat says, there's not an immediate "drop in" replacement, just some tools that can help provide similar functionality 🙂
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stevenm_ I don't mind if it's not drop in replacement... I don't even use Disqus currently.
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stevenm_ It's just I've noticed things like the static-site generator Publii... only seems to support Disqus (for comments) and Google Custom Search (for search)... which is annoying
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stevenm_ I'd have rather have seen some self-hosted options
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Murray[d] what is Disqus
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Loqi Disqus is a comments hosting silo https://indieweb.org/Disqus
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Murray[d] looks like we have some info on how to export, but no specific alternatives listed
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Murray[d] what is search
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Loqi search in the IndieWeb usually refers to searching your personal site for your own content (and/or caches of content you’ve responded to), sometimes searching IndieWeb chat archives or the IndieWeb wiki, or the nascent IndieWeb Search index and service to search across community posts https://indieweb.org/search
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stevenm_ <stevenm_> [...] I don't even use Disqus currently.
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Murray[d] 👆 slightly more info on possible open source/self hosted solutions there though 🙂
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Murray[d] personally, I use Algolia for site search, which plays well with static sites (though does require JS in the browser to run). Unfortunately it cannot be self hosted
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Zegnat There is also https://indieweb.org/static_site_generator and a bunch of pages branching of from there (see the See Also section) that might document people’s solutions to comments on static sites. The wiki has a bunch of information, just that some is presented more at the forefront than others :D
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Zegnat Or just wait and see if someone else in chat wakes up, and has good input, some of the people here must be running static sites with comments
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stevenm_ tbh I kinda like (but this is really becoming a long shot) the idea of a comment block which reads/writes comments to/from something else
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stevenm_ like maybe a mailman mailing list or something
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stevenm_ but that might get a bit tricky if anonymous comments (or at least comments without a login) are allowed
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stevenm_ so this Webmentions isn't actually a way of storing/reading/writing comments to some central thing
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stevenm_ just way of alerting mentions of a site to the site mentioned from another site
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Murray[d] exactly 🙂 there are some services out there which handle the storing/receiving aspect like webmentio.io and even some which can handle the sending as well
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stevenm_ but I see https://webmention.io/ isn't self-hosted :)
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Murray[d] I use a combination of webmention.io and brid.gy to receive webmentions on my site, as well as pull in reposts, likes etc. from social sites like Twitter
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Murray[d] that's true (RE: self-hosted), but there are other solutions out there that serve a similar purpose which are self hosted
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Murray[d] Alternatively, you can use an API-based database to store information directly from an HTML form, something like Phil Hawksworth's Jamstack Comments: https://jamstack-comments.netlify.app/about/
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stevenm_ I really hate web development
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Zegnat (webmention.io is self-hostd if you want it to be, it is fully open-sourced)
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jacky came across https://dropserver.org/ might be interesting to folks who self-host
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[KevinMarks] you could also self host webmention.herokuapp.com which has some other neat features (like dynamic comment updating)
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[KevinMarks] if running a heroku instance counts as self hosting?
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jacky I think it does
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jacky sk
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jacky agh I keep not switching windows
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sknebel Haha,I keep wondering what that means, esp since my brain starts parsing it as a mention ;)
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[tantek] lots of questions about comments in here ->
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[tantek] what are comments?
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Loqi Comments are displayed in the context of an original post, and may be a mix of syndicated reply posts from other sites received via Webmention, as well as locally created comments https://indieweb.org/comments
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[tantek] request to suggest moving a thread to #indieweb-dev if your answer to anyone's question requires mentioning underlying technology / plumbing
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[tantek] Twitter << 2022-03-07 Partial Outage (appears replies are not displaying, yet people can still top post that Twitter is down) https://twitter.com/netblocks/status/1500943867679547394
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@netblocks ℹ️ Note: Twitter is currently experiencing outages in multiple countries; incident not related to country-level internet disruptions or filtering #TwitterDown https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNRseMQXMAAzDtX.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1500943867679547394)
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Loqi ok, I added "2022-03-07 Partial Outage (appears replies are not displaying, yet people can still top post that Twitter is down) https://twitter.com/netblocks/status/1500943867679547394" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=80020&oldid=79909
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