#indieweb 2023-03-28

2023-03-28 UTC
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [tantek]
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577279223595022/1090238514924359800/Screenshot_2023-03-28_at_12.38.23.png
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> (BBC)
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jeremycherfas How are people following Twitter in a reader these days? I still find value in Twitter, but not being able to save my place when I leave is driving me nuts.
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[tantek] capjamesg, can you upload these embed permissions screenshots to the wiki?
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[tantek] I added a stub section for The Guardian waiting for your previous screenshot 🙂 https://indieweb.org/embed#The_Guardian
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[tantek] (you can duplicate that section and make a similar section for BBC)
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[snarfed] [jeremycherfas] I still use lists in a social reader: https://snarfed.org/2019-11-09_39345
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[snarfed] Details there are only semi useful since twitter-atom isn't accepting new users right now, but there are other Twitter -> RSS converters
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[tantek] new authoring brainstorm, when you're going to post a quote post, search Twitter (and elsewhere) to see if someone said the same or similar thing previously. so many things are stolen
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jeremycherfas I do have one of my lists via twitter-atom and was thinking about adding some more and moving to a more social reader.
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[chrisbergr] [tantek] re: authoring brainstorm: I've noticed the grammarly plagiarism checker in the past. https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker It works well if you copy and paste something from e.g. wikipedia (tested with paragraphs from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantek_%C3%87elik) but unfortunately not with smaller pages or tweets. It would be great if there is something that supports even more.
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[tantek] [chrisbergr] indeed this was specifically for short bits of text like pithy quotes or sayings on Twitter. Nearly every time I've seen one and though hah I should quote that I've had to check it myself and stop before I quoted a copy
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[tantek] Twitter needs a feature for reporting tweet joke plagiarism, and linking to earlier version(s)
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[tantek] People seeing that under their tweets might reduce the incentive to do it (and get a bunch of copies to delete themselves)
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[chrisbergr] redirecting identified plagiarisms to the original tweet would be an awesome feature. I don't belive in it at twitter...
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[tantek] They do have a feature for people to report corrections / debunkings of tweets, so it's not a stretch
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[chrisbergr] But I know your problem very well. Most of the great lines I see throughout the day are stolen from somewhere. Entire business models are built on them; "Made my day" is just the best-known one.
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[tantek] Imagine if Twitter told you while you were writing your tweet that 137 other people tweeted the exact same text before you
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[tantek] Would you still post it?
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[snarfed] StackOverflow and Discourse (and probably others) have a good UX for us, they search existing questions/posts as you type and show you similar ones
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[chrisbergr] Oh, the new interface for posting a question on SO ist great, and the noticed last box "Review questions already on Stack Overflow to see if your question is a duplicate." does a great job!
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[chrisbergr] But the whole process there is somewhat different than on Twitter. Anyway, great inspiration
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[tantek] I would like to see that as a method of clustering in search results too. Show the *oldest* tweet but at the date-ordering of the newest version with something like "147 people tweeted this, first posted by author-name"
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[chrisbergr] https://files.cho.bz/1680041310.png
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[chrisbergr] Or maybe it should be red 🙂
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[KevinMarks] That is a very good use for LLM embeddings. Similarly when you have a lot of replies (too many to read) clustering them for meaning using the LLM too
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[tantek] yes [chrisbergr]! that sort of thing
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