#indieweb 2023-04-02
2023-04-02 UTC
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petermolnar It currently does the same as matterbridge because of some strange errors, possibly limits from libera it hits when we try to run it in a mode where it creates each user in irc. Matterbridge doesn't have that mode yet
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IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> What would be the best way to link pages of a printed blog to the associated posts?
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> URLs for each post at the end of each post? Below the title of each post
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> *?
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> How could I make permashortlinks for this?
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> I think permashortlinks may be moot without a reference table that maps each slug to the full URL.
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> Ah, permashortcitations!
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> Calculate a SHA hash for each url, use first 6 as slug of permashortlinks
# bkil For "permashortlinks" I prefer to just use the date of the past where it's not expected to generate more than 1 post per day. I would caution against using random looking, opaque hashes in _any_ of your URL. https://indieweb.org/permalinks#Coping_with_loss_of
# bkil capjamesg: For displaying links in print in general, you have a few solutions. Just show the link inline (for example, in parenthesis) I usually prefer to place bare links right under the paragraph or sentence it is referenced by similarly to gemini. An alternative is to name or number each reference in the section or on the page and include the full URL at the end of the section or page. The latter ones are common on mediawiki.
# bkil Named anchors are also standard in markdown if you want to render your footnotes manually this way https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6695439/how-to-link-to-a-named-anchor-in-multimarkdown
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> In this case the URLs could be on one of four different websites.
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> It seems reasonable that the full online link in parenthesis is the way to go.
# IWDiscordRelay <capjamesg#4492> I guess the problem I was trying to solve was to shorten URLs, reversibly, but that is a tall order given the differing structures of the URLs with which I am working.
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# bkil You might consider dropping low-entropy characters from a link, such as the protocol and any prefix of "www.", default port numbers, trackers, useless anchors, etc., but that can be a bit risky at times. If you find a link too long for your taste, I recommend you contact the owner of the link to improve their linking scheme. After all, Web 2.0 is all about fluid communication between publishers and their peer readers, isn't it?
# bkil If you aim to shorten _externals_ links that you mention in your own articles and you find them humongous, an alternative is to implement "link shortening" using your own website. This is uncommon, but it is still better than using centralized third party link shorteners. Two alternatives that come to mind.
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Loqi ✊ own your data is an IndieWeb principle with two key parts: 1) your data lives primarily under your own domain, and 2) you are able to retain your access over time https://indieweb.org/own_your_data
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capjamesg Own your data << https://josem.co/own-your-work/
# Loqi ok, I added "https://josem.co/own-your-work/" to the "See Also" section of /own_your_data https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=87303&oldid=86699
# capjamesg Own your data << <blockquote>Buy a domain you like, create a simple site with a technology you can maintain for a long time, like a static HTML site or even a simple WordPress theme can help you if you’re not tech-savvy, and pour your creativity there. Do you want to share your writings, photos, or designs? That should be the place.</blockquote>
# Loqi ok, I added "<blockquote>Buy a domain you like, create a simple site with a technology you can maintain for a long time, like a static HTML site or even a simple WordPress theme can help you if you’re not tech-savvy, and pour your creativity there. Do you want to share your writings, photos, or designs? That should be the place.</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /own_your_data https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=87304&oldid=87303
# IWDiscordRelay <corlaez#3273> capjamesg[d]: that sounds good but adding a qr code could help
# petermolnar qr codes
# petermolnar > What would be the best way to link pages of a printed blog to the associated posts?
# petermolnar a few books did similar to extend the content beyond the book
# petermolnar so with qr you can reduce the redundancy and make them reasonably small, but even with that, permashortlinks are definitely recommended
# petermolnar hm... maybe a qr code that wraps around the first paragraph like a codex initial?
# petermolnar a bit hard to achieve, but not impossible
# petermolnar which is limited to 35 numeric chars, so that will be a challenge to use for urls
# bkil Could you please elaborate the difference between this room and indieweb-dev? We usually describe the subject & topic in more details in our spaces.
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[schmarty] What is discuss?
# Loqi 💬 Join the #indieweb discussion via the web, Slack, IRC, Discord, or Matrix clients now with additional channels for dev, wordpress, and meta specific chat! https://indieweb.org/discuss
# [schmarty] Haha something gross in that preview, Loqi. bkil: that page has descriptions for all IndieWeb-related chat channels
# bkil Meta could be considered gross by some!
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[chrisbergr] Probably anyone who hangs out in the IndieWeb space. Possibly no one who is interested in your coffee interviews and thinks the Internet equals Facebook.
# [chrisbergr] Yes, as I said. With a .com domain you would certainly pick up more of the "Internet equals Facebook People", but from experience a large part will also enter jamesg.com in the Google search box.
# [chrisbergr] I don't want to reduce this group to age either, there are also many young people who are overwhelmed with the Internet, just as vice versa with the elderly.
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# bkil Don't sweat about it - just print a (creative!) batch of your business card to hand out to whoever inquires.
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