#indieweb 2023-05-02

2023-05-02 UTC
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[tantek] great, yet another technical/implementation assumption that "nsfw" could possibly mean the same globally on a system meant to be accessed by anyone around the globe
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[chrisbergr] [tantek] If they want to get into the Apple App Store, they have to at least adhere to Apple's definition, see Tumblr. As a European, I absolutely agree with you, of course.
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[aciccarello] Yeah, standards for rating and moderating content seem hard...
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shreyanjain[m] i think eventually they should let people do their own content warnings like mastodon, and let others make their own flagging mechanisms to decide what constitutes nsfw
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[tantek] "getting into the Apple App Store" really ought not to be how you do *web* *protocol* level design
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shreyanjain[m] * constitutes nsfw etc.
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[tantek] also why is the default framing/assumption specifically "For Work"?!? (the fw in nsfw)
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[tantek] is there an assumption that everyone using the protocol is doing so from their place of "work" or "employment"? that seems false
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[tantek] also completely ignores different laws in different countries
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[chrisbergr] Is that topic about the protocol, not the bluesky app?
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[tantek] look at the screenshot
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[tantek] queryparam: 'includeNsfw'
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[tantek] obv part of the protocol (sorry we should take this to #indieweb-dev)
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[tantek] apparently bsky invites are a hot thing. hot enough that I've had folks dm me out of the blue who I haven't spoken with in months (years?) and offer / encourage.
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[tantek] my bottom line:
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[tantek] It's a time investment thing. Why invest time in yet-another-subset-of-the-web, when you could be investing that time directly in the web?
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aaronpk because there is no quicker path to social interaction on the plain web right now
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shreyanjain[m] better something open like at protocol than a walled garden like twitter
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[tantek] shreyanjain[m], there were/are already open social web protocols before "at" so that's not really an argument either
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[tantek] I mean, head to #indieweb-dev for more discussion of that
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[tantek] aaronpk, are you seeing any "new" or novel "social interactions" than what you could already do with your website or Mastodon or ... ?
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[KevinMarks] They mean NIPSA not NSFW
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[KevinMarks] The hellrope is novel, but not in a good way
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[KevinMarks] Is this novel or derivative?
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[KevinMarks] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2023/05/indieweb-20230502-091206-screenshot_20230502-101101.png
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[KevinMarks] Fairly helpful description of the state of BlueSky https://www.garbageday.email/p/not-entertaining-not-engrossing-but
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petermolnar What is NISPA?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "NISPA" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "NISPA is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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petermolnar what is NIPSA?
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Loqi NIPSA is an acronym for Not In Public Site Areas, and an admin feature of Flickr that allows their support staff to mark an account such that posts from it will not be shown in search results and other similar public views of posts https://indieweb.org/NIPSA
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petermolnar Yeah, that makes more sense
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[tantek] Apparently you have to be signed in to use Twitter search now. Otherwise loginwall
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sknebel https://sizeof.cat/post/website-discovery/
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Loqi [preview] [sizeof(cat)] Discover personal websites https://sizeof.cat/post/website-discovery/
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[tantek] capjamesg, since you said it was an interesting use of a tags page: https://indieweb.org/tags_page#Why (feel free to review and expand if it makes sense to you)
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[tantek] also curious what other folks motivations for having/making tags pages are
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[KevinMarks] I have publics.tech, publics.online and publicsonline.com I can't remember why I bought them so they'll expire Thursday, though if some one wants to take one over let me know
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Will do.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I recently removed tags from my site because I always forgot which ones I had.
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[capjamesg] Quick note that we have HWC London / Europe tomorrow: https://events.indieweb.org/2023/05/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-ILwjikecm94r
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[tantek] capjamesg, removed tags?!? What does that mean? You unlinked your hashtags in posts? Something else?
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capjamesg This needs work, but here's a h-feed of my posts on bsky: https://bsky.link/feed?user=jamesg.blog
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capjamesg https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/02/bluesky-invites-become-a-hot-commodity-as-demand-for-the-twitter-alternative-outstrips-access/
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[snarfed] ooh a granary alternative, nice!
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[snarfed] capjamesg if you have the bluesky API URL handy that returns your posts in bluesky format, feel free to plug it into https://granary.io/?input=bluesky&output=html , I'd be curious to compare
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capjamesg -> #dev
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jan6 bluesky does seem cool indeed, especially given that I also noticed you can't even friggen SEARCH without an account, as if twitter wasn't cagey enough already about "plz sign in"
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capjamesg jan6 They are in private beta so I would expect they'll open up.
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capjamesg It seems people are already starting to build their own client implementations.
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jan6 kind of no wonder, if it's looking like the next big thing
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jan6 if twitter is actively killing people's ability to use it, and this is next to mastodon the next best place, and promising all sorts of cool stuff, then those who can, would of course try to take advantage of it
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jan6 who wouldn't want their client to become the de-facto client everyone uses merely by being early enough
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jan6 and I'm sure they'll open up EVENTUALLY...question is when, lol
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jan6 "soon" can mean anything from days to weeks to months, sometimes things are "coming soon" for over a year
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jan6 "Bluesky invites have become such a hot commodity they’ve been selling for anywhere between $120 to as much as $400 on eBay in recent days." wow, that sure is hot demand
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aaronpk indieauth.com has been shutting down "soon" for years
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jan6 time is an illusion
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aaronpk wow and here i am just giving my bluesky invites away for free
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jan6 lol, you can give one for me for free >;P
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aaronpk nope i'm all out
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[snarfed] sounds like they'll probably ship federation before opening their own server up entirely
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[capjamesg] jan6 happy to!
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capjamesg Are you on IRC?
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jan6 ye
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