#indieweb 2023-07-11

2023-07-11 UTC
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[snarfed]
^ intro paragraph is πŸ”₯
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[snarfed]
"Hey, remember when Twitter and Facebook and Instagram (and Tik Tok, if you were under 30) were the only games in town, after having basically destroyed the idea of the independent web? Well, no longer! Thanks to Elon Musk being forced to buy Twitter and then turning it into a resource-starved playground for dimwitted fascists, and to a lesser extent to Mark Zuckerberg throwing billions down a hole to convince the world that a
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[snarfed]
lightly-updated version of Second Life was the future of the Internet, there are now roughly 17,000 new social media sites, all vying to become the new Twitter, never mind that Twitter was mostly not profitable, and only barely so even when it was."
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shreyanjain[m]
overall πŸ”₯ article
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[tantek]
yep. good πŸ”₯
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epoch
🧨
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tyil
[KevinMarks]: too bad he doesn't know the fediverse is more than mastodon
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doesnm
Hello, i can't setup indieweb on my site. I'm set rel=me in link tag but after entering domain it freeze after "Finding rel="me" links on https://doesnm.cc/"
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[KevinMarks]
He probably does, but was keeping it simple for his broader audience. He accepts comments. AFAIK he's on wordpress so @voxpelli could pitch him on AP integration
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petermolnar
"never mind that Twitter was mostly not profitable, and only barely so even when it was."
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petermolnar
Anything social shouldn't give a flying f about profitability, the whole point of social would be non-profit (where it's important to say that it must generate enough money but maintain itself, including staff, servers, etc). I'm so utterly tired of so many people always approaching things from profitability and not from long term sustainability. Furthermore sustainable has little to do with growth.
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doesnm
what?
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tyil
petermolnar: it shouldnt have a plural of servers or staff to begin with, no single node should have that many users
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tyil
that's the benefit of federation, you can have small communities, which are much easier to handle, and much cheaper to host for
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petermolnar
yeah, it does, 2 servers in a cluster is common sense
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petermolnar
if you're running it for someone else
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tyil
I run many, many services without high availability for others, its most definitely not a requirement
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voxpelli
[KevinMarks]: you mean pfefferle / @GWG I think, I haven’t done any Wordpress AP 😌
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tyil
I'm not a company needing to have 99.99999% uptime to show off in a marketing sheet
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doesnm
what are you talking?
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tyil
and neither are fediverse instances
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[KevinMarks]
Oops that was a complete think, sorry
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voxpelli
I do have done an OStatus implementation in PHP for Flattr and was active in the Drupal work for it a long time back though, so not completely off
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Loqi
hey tyil voxpelli: we try to keep jargon (federation, implementation, PHP) out of this channel to make it more inviting to newcomers, can you move this to #indieweb-dev?
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doesnm
what im doing wrong with indieauth setup?
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epoch
doesnm: what are you testing it with?
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epoch
"after entering domain it freeze after" what is the "it"?
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epoch
the login link on https://indieweb.org/ ?
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epoch
going to assume yes
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epoch
i entered your site into the login form and it didn't get stuck. :/
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epoch
it put up a green button saying "login with this provider" for your github
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epoch
so, the problem isn't anything in your HTML
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doesnm
epoch: forgot name but it's demo auth page
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doesnm
hm, maybe its librejs blocked?
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epoch
sounds likely
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epoch
don't remember how librejs blocks stuff
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doesnm
gnu.org/software/librejs
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doesnm
im try to disable
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epoch
"" In order for the license of a script to be recognized by LibreJS, it must be declared using a machine-readable license format. ""
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epoch
I don't expect a lot of stuff to have this extra bit of data added to it
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epoch
so yeah, it is likely librejs blocked it
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doesnm
what website im should try what supports indieauth?
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doesnm
I can't join to Matrix Room from my homeserver but friend with matrix.org can. It's ACL block?
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epoch
I dunno.
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epoch
I never tried the matrix room
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doesnm_
I'm got disconnected from IRC lol
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doesnm_
so, indieauth works success https://indieweb.org/User:Doesnm.cc
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doesnm_
What's next? Webmentions? my site hosted on github pages and used jekyll
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doesnm_
KhomyaK[m]: how you join?
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sknebel
the matrix room doesnt have any restrictions from our side.
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sknebel
worth trying a few times, matrix is just kinda crap sometimes when it comes to first-time sync ;)
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doesnm_
IRC shows what im join (@me:fb.doesnm.cc) but my client dont show room lol
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sknebel
yeah, then try again
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doesnm[m]1
Hi
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doesnm_
wow, it works
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doesnm_
but loading
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doesnm[m]1
Test
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[KevinMarks]
BBC covering Threads ends up explaining the fediverse https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66155433
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doesnm_
KevinMarks: #FediPact saves fediverse, doesnt?
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doesnm[m]1
Some instances wants to block Threads
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doesnm[m]1
Webmentions on Github Pages+Jekyll only possible with webmentions.io? Or i can different?
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GWG
voxpelli: I don't do anything with AP either
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petermolnar
doesnm[m]1: what is webmention?
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petermolnar
what is webmention?
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Loqi
Webmention is an open web standard (W3C Recommendation) for conversations and interactions across the web, a powerful building block used for a growing distributed network of peer-to-peer comments, likes, reposts, and other responses across the web https://indieweb.org/webmention
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petermolnar
you'll see many solutions there, but you'll probably have to build your own
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petermolnar
the short summary: webmentions are not possible without something to actively receive them, let it be something on your side (a php script, a plugin, a daemon, but something dynamic) or 3rd party (eg webmention.io)
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petermolnar
so receiving with completely static sites is not possible
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doesnm[m]1
So, i have vds with static ip. How im should make webmention for IndieWeb?
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doesnm[m]1
@petermolnar what should im using for Jekyll and Github Pages?
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[tantek]
doesnm++ congrats on IndieAuth working!
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Loqi
doesnm has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek]
now add something small to your User: wiki page
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[tantek]
tis the season for new Twitter-like startups apparently, anyone tried SPILL? https://mashable.com/article/spill-app-twitter-alternative
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doesnm[m]1
[tantek]: Add what?
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[tantek]
and another Twitter-like startup: https://t2.social/ (just joined the waitlist to try it / give feedback & suggestions like to support IndieWeb standards)
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doesnm[m]1
<[tantek]> "doesnm, see: https://indieweb...." <- Seems like this? https://indieweb.org/User:Doesnm.cc
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[tantek]
doesnm yes! looks great πŸ‘ πŸ‘ πŸ‘
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doesnm[m]1
Webmentions still not ready on site πŸ˜…
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doesnm[m]1
Only IndieAuth
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[tantek]
All good! One building block at a time πŸ™‚
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[tantek]
what are building blocks
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Loqi
πŸ”© Building blocks are key design-patterns, technologies, and methods for building and improving your independent website https://indieweb.org/building-blocks
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Bridgy Fed status update" https://snarfed.org/2023-07-11_bridgy-fed-status-update-2
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[tantek]
[snarfed] missed opportunity for Release the Kraken! reference πŸ˜‚
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[tantek]
especially with that image
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[snarfed]
heh, I'm only vaguely familiar with the reference (and not the source)
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[tantek]
this image needs to go on the Bridgy Fed page I think :https://snarfed.org/octopus_attacks_ship_bridgy_fed.jpg
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[tantek]
will share source in #indieweb-chat
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[aciccarello]
doesnm, this page is probably good to look at for adding http://webmention.io to your site. I use we mention.js for displaying on my static site. https://indieweb.org/webmention.io
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doesnm[m]1
Okay
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Loqi
[preview] [Zach Leatherman] I have four invites to make your own web site, if anyone wants one.
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aaronpk
πŸ˜‚
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gRegor
Another good line from Zach in the replies "all of your friends are just one URL away 😎"
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[tantek]
What are friends
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Loqi
friending (AKA add friend or the verb to friend) is a general term applied to the various silo user interactions with sites regarding reciprocal friendship https://indieweb.org/friends
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://fediverse.zachleat.com/@zachleat/110696973891314289" to the "See Also" section of /friending https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=88613&oldid=85594
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petermolnar
what is FOAF?
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Loqi
RDF is an abbreviation for Resource Description Format, an early-ish part of XML-related technology, that was pitched as the Semantic Web, used in Trackback and RSS 1.0 (but dropped by Pingback and RSS 2.0 respectively), later rebranded as Linked Data, experimentally published in the past, but not used by any indieweb use-cases in practice https://indieweb.org/FOAF
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